TODAY IS A HUGE ELECTION DAY FOR AMERICA - November 5th 2024 - Reports from Around The Nation.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Biden’s admin only continued the spending and printing policies.

Biden, solely, mandated the vaccines and shutdown all the cities he was able to around the country, and kicked out service members by the tens of thousands.
Strange that you seem to never include those facts when you bring up Covid.

a reply to: matafuchs

Obama and Biden were horrible presidents. I’m not trying to paint a picture where they were “good”.

But the narrative around here was that Trump was some kind of economy genius.

We didn’t give Obama a pass because 08’ started to happen before he took office, we judge his reaction to it, and rightfully so.

Trump was still tracking as much debt as Barry pre Covid though. So even if we were going to give him a pass for Covid, it still doesn’t fly.

And Trump looks like he has a small lead for a second term. I won’t be upset if he wins. But I doubt the debt goes down, and I imagine the policy will make for long term inflation with spending increases and tax cuts.

Keep in mind we operate on a fractional reserve banking policy. Loaned money is new money. If our government spends more than it takes in, that money goes on the books as a liability and new money.

There are two conflicting indicators for what Trump will do in his second term. What he says, or based on what he’s done. I’ll go with the latter, but his supporters are more than welcome to take him at his word.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Biden’s admin only continued the spending and printing policies.

Biden, solely, mandated the vaccines and shutdown all the cities he was able to around the country, and kicked out service members by the tens of thousands.
Strange that you seem to never include those facts when you bring up Covid.

Yeah I love ya CS, but I agree Biden made it worse a lot worse, didn't the Democratic congress basically give big Pharma media control of the COVID narrative?

I don't completely absolve Trump but damn he was thrown into COVID with a hostile Congress and media, almost like it was planned

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Biden’s admin only continued the spending and printing policies.

Biden, solely, mandated the vaccines and shutdown all the cities he was able to around the country, and kicked out service members by the tens of thousands.
Strange that you seem to never include those facts when you bring up Covid.

Governors and mayors shutdown cities before he took office.

But you are right that he mandated vaccines to federal employees, and attempted to do so with corporations before the Supreme Court shut it down.

As for the military, unfortunately those men are given a cocktail of vaccines when they get processed in.

Trump was obviously more for self determination on the shot, but alas he was the one who did operation warp speed with the caveat the pharma companies are immune from being sued, and we paid full price after helping to fund their R&D.

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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Didn't think so I was just discussing and adding.

The only thing I can say will happen when in office is we will, for the first time since 1997, is their will be a real budget passed and enforced. That is what the establishment is pissed about. We have been in CR's for way to long and it is what has allowed this to balloon. There are no checks and balances. They threaten to close the government, the media runs with it and....nothing gets done because we are then arguing over a police office killing a felon. The cycle goes on.

I know I made more under Trump. Paid less taxes. Paid less for goods. People were buying long term items not short term happiness.

a reply to: putnam6

Trump certainly was for people deciding themselves for the vaccine, and being open to alternatives.

But he did fast track it, took the shot himself, and said it was effective and safe.

While clearly better than Biden surrounding authoritarianism on who gets it, he played a big part in its existence.

To me, it’s just fair to point these things out.

I’m fine with saying Trump is the lesser of two evils, I’ve admitted such whenever pressed on who I would prefer fun to my head (Trump or Kamala).

My rub comes when people act like he was a great president, and had the best economy ever. I don’t know of a metric to support that case other than economy size, which is far bigger due to population than decades prior. But outcome of the citizens, I don’t think we were in the best economy in post WWII America. There were times where a single earner blue collar household could own a house, send their kids to college, live comfortably and retire. That’s hard for a lot of double income households now.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Yeah COVID was just normal and had nothing to do with the economies of many areas that had restrictions mandated by haste laws. 😊

a reply to: matafuchs

Trump and the right had congress and senate the first two years but couldn’t get congress to engage in the platform he ran on.

We could say it was because they were RINOs, but it’s moot if he can’t get people to follow him as a leader. If he couldn’t then, I’m not convinced he will now. That said, I’ll play devils advocate against myself and note he’s more accepted in some of the circles compared to the past.

As for the getting paid more and less in taxes… the paid more is probably case by case. The tax cuts were sweeping, but the cuts for most were less than interest rates. If we don’t cut spending by the same amount as we cut taxes, than it’s a loan. Interest is more than we got discounted, and that debt compounds interest.

It’s still not a good plan unless it gets executed properly, which unfortunately is unlikely.

Rumors already starting. Get ready for MSM delays of locked counts. 😄

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Yeah COVID was just normal and had nothing to do with the economies of many areas that had restrictions mandated by haste laws. 😊

9/11 wasn’t normal, 08’ wasn’t normal.

These people aren’t drafted into presidency, they run for it. There’s a good chance they’ll have to deal with crisis while they’re in office, kind of comes with the territory of running the most powerful country in a chaotic world.

That’s why we need the best most capable people for the job. And we won’t get that by finding excuses for them. I haven’t done that for Bush or Obama who I both disdain, so I won’t do it for Trump or Biden. They have to own their actions.

originally posted by: malte86

originally posted by: underpass61
Democrats: We have to crap on democracy in order to save democracy!

Fkn Dicktaters

do you believe anything you read on the internet? do you sometimes question your sources? you should try, its enlightening.

I posted a video of him saying it and I’ve seen other videos where he says it. His been saying this for months. I hear googles free now, could be enlightening for you.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: malte86

originally posted by: underpass61
Democrats: We have to crap on democracy in order to save democracy!

Fkn Dicktaters

do you believe anything you read on the internet? do you sometimes question your sources? you should try, its enlightening.

I posted a video of him saying it and I’ve seen other videos where he says it. His been saying this for months. I hear googles free now, could be enlightening for you.

I think the claim is "DEEP FAKES", or at least that's what they always claim after getting caught or called out.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: putnam6

Trump certainly was for people deciding themselves for the vaccine, and being open to alternatives.

But he did fast track it, took the shot himself, and said it was effective and safe.

While clearly better than Biden surrounding authoritarianism on who gets it, he played a big part in its existence.

To me, it’s just fair to point these things out.

I’m fine with saying Trump is the lesser of two evils, I’ve admitted such whenever pressed on who I would prefer fun to my head (Trump or Kamala).

My rub comes when people act like he was a great president, and had the best economy ever. I don’t know of a metric to support that case other than economy size, which is far bigger due to population than decades prior. But outcome of the citizens, I don’t think we were in the best economy in post WWII America. There were times where a single earner blue collar household could own a house, send their kids to college, live comfortably and retire. That’s hard for a lot of double income households now.

Fair enough and its why I enjoy your posts, well reasoned out.I

ts all relative, Trump compared to Biden and Harris makes OMB look like a damn good President

For me, in 5 years Ive gone from mid-middle class to mid-lower class, and our industry still hasn't rebounded we lost 400 plus clients from COVID lockdowns. Thats not that they boarded up and came back when everything opened up, or they sold, it's permanently OOB, now the 2 recent hurricane(s) hit our sales territory hard. We couldn't afford to lose 10% and we lost almost 2/3rds of our territory

Ive seen the Democratic response economically and honestly, it's urban-centric and ignores the smaller towns where a load of our 40-plus years' worth of clients come from.

But it is more than that with Trump there was a sense of optimism, leading to our clients being willing to make long-term investments instead of waiting to see which way the wind blows as they still are doing.

Regardless a President is subject to the whims of Congress and the Senate, for all of thier policies including the economic ones, hopefully, we will have 2/3rds of the control and real meaningful legislation can get passed. Because right now Im of the wrong demographic to get meaningful help, where all I need is a few years of a decent economy.

Shaping up to be far more fraud this year than 2020.
Fraud reports and rigging all over the swing states from illegals voting to people turning up to vote and being told they already voted.
Polling stations closed in red districts, machines not working in red districts.
10’s thousands of votes held back in reserve to be ‘cured’ up to 4 days after the election.
Crazy stuff.

originally posted by: Guyfriday

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: malte86

originally posted by: underpass61
Democrats: We have to crap on democracy in order to save democracy!

Fkn Dicktaters

do you believe anything you read on the internet? do you sometimes question your sources? you should try, its enlightening.

I posted a video of him saying it and I’ve seen other videos where he says it. His been saying this for months. I hear googles free now, could be enlightening for you.

I think the claim is "DEEP FAKES", or at least that's what they always claim after getting caught or called out.

Who knows right. There’s certain people here that I can never take seriously because of the amount of bs they’re always spewing, so there’s that.

a reply to: WeMustCare
But I thought Putin said he was backing Kamalalala?
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: putnam6

Thank you bud, I always find your posts measured as well.

I don’t doubt we’d get a short term economic bump under Trump, hell, it could even be years.

If he wins, I’m willing to bet we see the stock market go on a little tear. I imagine once some of the policies like tax cuts trickle in, we even see companies loosen their belts a little bit.

Right now more than anything, there is uncertainty in the air. And you’ll see companies place hiring freezes and limit other expenditures until there’s at least more certainty. Same with the stock market, the driving force for them is just having an idea of which way the wind is blowing.

Where I differ from most is how sustainable I find all of that.

I’m still right at 35, so it’s not even about being selfish, it’s self preservation for ten years down the road. What food is building up my retirement, savings, and investments if we have a lot of short sighted policies come to reconcile only to set me back where I started.

On top of that, my dumbass turned up buying my dream house for a steal of a price in 2020 when I had double the down payment in hand because I thought it would all come down more, and I didn’t want to be leveraged into higher equity than what it was worth. But buying a home isn’t even on my radar until things calm down.

Never forget the social media giants censored, manipulated, and lied during 2020 and most are trying to again.

PS

Another reason ATS's dysfunction couldn't have happened at a worse time, almost like it was planned