Oklahoma Ballot Question

This is 100% real. I pulled up my sample ballot to look it over because we have a few supreme court judges that are up for consideration and removal and I looked and the very last thing on my ballot is this question below. how.. and I mean HOW does this even have to be a question? How is it that the country I live in and have citizenship in and have pledged allegiance to since I could speak has to put this on a ballot. This should should just be common sense. Anyone that thinks it is ok for an illegal immigrant or even a legal immigrant without citizenship should be voting should move to a third world country. They do not belong here. This is just silly that we are voting on this.



Oklahoma State Question 834

Oklahoma Citizenship Requirement for Voting Amendment

This measure amends Section 1 of Article 3 of the Oklahoma Constitution. It clarifies that only citizens of the United States are qualified to vote in this state.

Shall The Proposal Be Approved?

FOR THE PROPOSAL – YES
AGAINST THE PROPOSAL – NO

a reply to: TheTardis2

I agree it should not be needed to have an amendment like this.

The real danger is if 'no' votes win ... ugh. That would open a giant can of worms.

I just hope the vote goes for yes, which is really just a restatement of the obvious, as you have pointed out.

Thanks for sharing!

My Wife is from England and has been here for over 15 years has her Green Card she cannot vote. So why would any Illegal be able to vote or even under consideration.

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
a reply to: TheTardis2

I agree it should not be needed to have an amendment like this.

The real danger is if 'no' votes win ... ugh. That would open a giant can of worms.

I just hope the vote goes for yes, which is really just a restatement of the obvious, as you have pointed out.

Thanks for sharing!

And we have a HUGE portion of those 20 million illegals. There are entire areas of town that pretty much look like Mexico which is nuts to me because if mexico is so bad that they all want out then why come here and make it look like mexico and fly mexican flags all over the place and act like mexico is where you want to be? I think more people would be receptive to some of them if they acted like they wanted to be here and wanted to be a part of what we stand for but they dont and I dont want them voting.

Smart play by Oklahoma.
In many cities around the country, mostly blue but some red, they have been letting illegals vote in local elections.
Their rationale is that whether legal or illegal, they live there so they should have say.
It’s a weak argument but that’s what the left is good at, weak arguments but power to enforce their will regardless.
If this was in a bluer state, Soros would be pumping millions of dollars into it.
Oklahoma is just nipping this in the bud before it bears fruit.
Other states need to follow the lead here.

originally posted by: Vermilion

Smart play by Oklahoma.
In many cities around the country, mostly blue but some red, they have been letting illegals vote in local elections.
Their rationale is that whether legal or illegal, they live there so they should have say.
It’s a weak argument but that’s what the left is good at, weak arguments but power to enforce their will regardless.
If this was in a bluer state, Soros would be pumping millions of dollars into it.
Oklahoma is just nipping this in the bud before it bears fruit.
Other states need to follow the lead here.

And we are one of the most conservative states that rarely ever has any county go blue. I believe in the 2016 election we did not have a single county go blue and may not have had in 2020 either. It would be very hard to move the needle in Oklahoma, but our proximity to Texas and Mexico means we wills till have a pretty large illegal population.

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

My Wife is from England and has been here for over 15 years has her Green Card she cannot vote.

I'm curious, after fifteen years, why hasn't she applied for citizenship?

Do you have children that attended public school? If so, shouldn't she have a say in school board elections?
Does she own property, own a business, work, pay taxes? If so, shouldn't she have a say in Mayor and City Council elections?

It seems like an easy, straight forward question, but is it really?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Ravenwatcher

My Wife is from England and has been here for over 15 years has her Green Card she cannot vote.

It seems like an easy, straight forward question, but is it really?

Yes it is an easy question. Go to any other country and try to vote in their election without being a citizen. And the point you are trying to make it that this one demographic should be able to vote and I know in many local elections they have been allowed in some areas in the past but right now we are dealing with a much larger problem that you may want to ignore but we have been flooded with illegal immigrants over the past 4 years and they SHOULD NOT be allowed to vote in the presidential election nor should they have any rights other than the right to leave. Loopholes and loose laws are fine until someone decides to abuse them for political gain.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Ravenwatcher

My Wife is from England and has been here for over 15 years has her Green Card she cannot vote.

I'm curious, after fifteen years, why hasn't she applied for citizenship?

Do you have children that attended public school? If so, shouldn't she have a say in school board elections?
Does she own property, own a business, work, pay taxes? If so, shouldn't she have a say in Mayor and City Council elections?

It seems like an easy, straight forward question, but is it really?

Here are some thoughts about this from another immigrant wife….


Jett said he thought of his wife while advocating for the state question.
Ana Jett immigrated to the United States from Brazil in 1999.
She became an American citizen in 2007 after six years of filing paperwork, completing interviews, passing a test and paying thousands of dollars.
Ana Jett said voting is a “fundamental and exclusive right” of a nation’s citizens. That right, she said, should be protected.

“For those of us who will go through the process, we appreciate the blessings of liberty that this country provides,” she said while speaking at a Wednesday news conference promoting SQ 834.
oklahomavoice.com...

My wife, an immigrant who has gone through the naturalization process, would agree with Mrs. Jett.

Well said. People appreciate these rights more when they had to work for them and earn them and they want them more. People that are given everything freely dont appreciate it and should not be given that responsibility. For those of us born into this country it is a right, yes, but its also a responsibility and we dont see it the same way other might.

a reply to: TheTardis2

Why am I not surprised that you're conflating two very different issues?

And the point you are trying to make it that this one demographic should be able to vote and I know in many local elections they have been allowed in some areas in the past but right now we are dealing with a much larger problem that you may want to ignore but we have been flooded with illegal immigrants over the past 4 years and they SHOULD NOT be allowed to vote in the presidential election nor should they have any rights other than the right to leave.

Punctuating is your friend.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
My Wife is from England and has been here for over 15 years has her Green Card she cannot vote. So why would any Illegal be able to vote or even under consideration.

This is most likely the situation being addressed. My stepdad has been here on a green card since 2002, and he can't vote.

I didn't see "illegal" in the OP.

I feel like my stepdad should be able to vote. He has worked his ass off, owns a successful business, and pays more taxes than the average American.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

I'm curious, after fifteen years, why hasn't she applied for citizenship?

I'll answer regarding my aforementioned stepdad.

He is a loner, introvert, very quiet person who didn't have any friends in Canada. He worked, raised his son by himself, and went to church occasionally. That was his entire life.

Part of the citizenship process is a certain amount of people who aren't family have to vouch for you. He doesn't really know anyone well enough to do that for him. He talked to his former pastor about it, and he backed out at the last minute.

its atrocious that this has to be a thing, every country I have visited or lived in had simple rules... dont vote if your not a citizen.

The fact the wackadoo progressives are pushing voting rights for non-citizens (at least in my eyes) proves they are just interested in the destruction of the republic.

Wanna vote become a citizen.

a reply to: Irishhaf

All other countries require ID to vote, as well.

a reply to: TheTardis2

Sounds like a Trial Balloon to see which way the wind is blowing.

a reply to: TheTardis2

Go to any other country and try to vote in their election without being a citizen.

As of 2020, noncitizens with appropriate documents and legal statuses could vote at some level in about 50 residence countries

For instance, Chile now automatically considers all legally present foreign-born adults to be eligible to vote after five years of residence, allowing noncitizens to participate in both local and national elections. Ecuador similarly allows legally present noncitizens to vote after five years of residence. New Zealand allows permanent residents to vote after just one year in the country. Norway lets foreign nationals vote in local elections after three years of residence.

Multicountry organizations also allow different forms of immigrant voting. The Andean Community comprising Bolivia, Chile (an associate member), Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru allows Member State citizens residing elsewhere in the bloc to vote in local elections after two years. Some of the 56 Commonwealth countries have similar agreements allowing certain immigrants to vote in national elections without becoming citizens. And across the 27 EU Member States, nationals of other EU countries can vote in local (but not usually national) elections after a certain period of residence, and for the European Parliament.

www.migrationpolicy.org...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: TheTardis2

Go to any other country and try to vote in their election without being a citizen.

As of 2020, noncitizens with appropriate documents and legal statuses could vote at some level in about 50 residence countries

For instance, Chile now automatically considers all legally present foreign-born adults to be eligible to vote after five years of residence, allowing noncitizens to participate in both local and national elections. Ecuador similarly allows legally present noncitizens to vote after five years of residence. New Zealand allows permanent residents to vote after just one year in the country. Norway lets foreign nationals vote in local elections after three years of residence.

Multicountry organizations also allow different forms of immigrant voting. The Andean Community comprising Bolivia, Chile (an associate member), Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru allows Member State citizens residing elsewhere in the bloc to vote in local elections after two years. Some of the 56 Commonwealth countries have similar agreements allowing certain immigrants to vote in national elections without becoming citizens. And across the 27 EU Member States, nationals of other EU countries can vote in local (but not usually national) elections after a certain period of residence, and for the European Parliament.

www.migrationpolicy.org...

Funny how you have to find one of the most extreme left wing activist organizations to agree with whatever narrative it is you’re spewing.

No ones buying into this nonsense 🙄🙄🙄

a reply to: Sookiechacha

50 out of 200+

Noncitizens voting is very much uncommon.
Tardis point checks out.
Thank you 👍

a reply to: Vermilion

. A small number of U.S. municipalities in California, Maryland, and Vermont, as well as the District of Columbia, permit noncitizen voting in certain local elections. Immigrant voting is more widespread elsewhere. For example, EU citizens living in another EU Member State enjoy many social and economic benefits, as well as some voting rights, in their new country without having to acquire citizenship

www.migrationpolicy.org...