American elections: a view from Russia

a reply to: onestonemonkey

Sorry, but the people of Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Syria, Afghanistan, and many others will not be able to appreciate the difference.

a reply to: RussianTroll

This reminds me of an old story about a black civil rights activist who also called for the assassination of the president, several decades ago. When he was grabbed by the gills,

I may be a dullard, but can you help me out here? No particular name comes to mind.

As for the poll. The question was:

While it is always difficult to wish ill of another human being, would America be better off if Donald Trump had been killed last weekend?

By the wording of the question, it's a wishful thinking of the past, rather than a plan for the future. A question like, "Do you think America would be better off if 10 more senators had voted guilty in Trump's second impeachment trial, thus reaching the 2/3 majority needed, rather than the simple majority which he got?"

Well now, that would be an easier question to answer.

In the words of Mitch McConnell: "He didn't get away with anything yet ...yet"

Hey Mitch, how's that working out with the Supreme Court that you engineered?

As for entertainers endorsing candidates. That's one thing. "Reality" show actors running for President is another thing altogether different. The actor sometimes gets confused as the character.



Longer 20:35 McConnell speech here: After voting to acquit Trump, McConnell says there’s ‘no question’ he provoked Capitol attack

a reply to: Boomer1947

1. Ethnic cleansing.
Say what? Citation needed.

2. Cutting the nuts off the US' historical role as a stabilizing influence in the world (including prevention of nuclear arms proliferation and opposition to dictators changing the map by means of armed invasion).
Russia invaded Ukraine during Obama and Biden Harris administrations.
Iran via proxy attacked Israel during Biden Harris administration.
The world knew not to mess with Trump.

3. Voodoo economics on steroids ("Trade wars are good, and easy to win!". and "We’re going to use tariffs very, very wisely. You know, our country in the 1890s was ... probably the wealthiest it ever was, because it was a system of tariffs.")
3% job wage growth
3% GDP growth
2% inflation
Trump economy was the best economy.

4. Increasing his personal wealth by extending his habit of bribery and extortion to the international level.
Say what? Citation needed.
Trump has been a billionaire real estate mogul and entrepreneur for decades.

Now do Biden, then Harris. 🤡

originally posted by: Boomer1947
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It turns out that what he wants is:

1. Ethnic cleansing.
2. Cutting the nuts off the US' historical role as a stabilizing influence in the world (including prevention of nuclear arms proliferation and opposition to dictators changing the map by means of armed invasion).
3. Voodoo economics on steroids ("Trade wars are good, and easy to win!". and "We’re going to use tariffs very, very wisely. You know, our country in the 1890s was ... probably the wealthiest it ever was, because it was a system of tariffs.")
4. Increasing his personal wealth by extending his habit of bribery and extortion to the international level.

In prior times, any one of those factors present in a Presidential candidate would have been viewed as a significant deviation from the political center and potentially disqualifying. Put them all together in one package and you have an individual who is at least 3 Standard Deviations off in the direction of insanity.

I don't think the political centroid of the nation has changed all that much.

wow, one guy with that much power, that much amazing ability to make things happen. What an amazing man. Smart folks would be trying to figure out his secrets, so they themselves could one day hope to gain that kind of power. But the non smart folks or (idiots) would likely just get angry at him, call him names, and wallow in idiocy and hate.

But you do you.

It really is quite sad. I am 52 years old and have seen a very large swing in how campaigning has changed. Many years ago we all agreed that both parties wanted what is best for America however one side fell more on the do gooder side as I like to call it. The democrats believed more on helping the less fortunate by giving them more while the Republics also wanted to help but more with lower prices and jobs. Just a crude example. But in recent years its become more about who you can sucker into voting for you through whatever lies and tactics necessary and more and more money is being made in Washington to the point of being set for life just by getting elected to ANY position in government. We are no longer campaigning on real principals. Its now about how can I hold onto power at any cost and the media has had a HUGE hand in this. To the casual person who does not look past the surface they only know what is told to them by the news or by this ignorant celebrities who know virtually nothing.

I do believe that this voting season there is so much more at stake than their has ever been in my lifetime. First, we have a TON of celebrities and people in government that do not want the epstein list dropped out and they do not want the diddy party stuff dropped so they are pulling out all the stops. There is also the fact that if Kamala gives amnesty to the 20 million illegals in this country we may never have another conservative in power again and the democrats can go ahead and turn the country into a communist nation and they will rule forever. But I agree, a voter from the past would be floored by what is going and probably even more floored by the the fact that half of the country is just fine with it. I am dumbfounded myself. I never thought this nation could be like this.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: Bluntone22

Social networks are just a tool of the policy being carried out. Don't let the tail wag the dog)))

Sure that may have been the initial plan, but Americans have a rebellious streak, there's plenty of indications most have become immune from the noise of social media except the youngest generations, and even portions of those generations still aren't buying into what the Democrats are selling. Only the ignorant, the apolitical, and the inexperienced get caught in the media trap. Everybody learns at thier own pace, in the 1990s CNN was king... now most of America knows they have morphed quite a bit. Some of us realize the amending of the Mundt Act in 2012 didn't help the situation



To your broader point, the socialist/communistic world relies on static and stagnant governments to help lull their populations to sleep where they dream of a better life beyond the smothering control and oppression, only to rise each morning wrapped in compliance and unquestioning obedience

While American Democracy is a living breathing entity, it tightens its grip for a while leading to periods where it's a little less controlling.

Is it perfect?

Hell no but it isn't static it fluctuates it's living and breathing. It's as if Americans have that 7-year itch, where we can only go in one direction for a limited time till we say screw that noise let's try this.

Regardless

On its worst days in history American democracy it is still infinitely better than the controlling, oppressive, and paranoid governments birthed by Marx and Lenin

Not to mention American Democracy as flawed as it is swamps the efforts of Mao, Castro, and the Kims. All we need to see is all these countries including many in the Middle East have had the same leaders for decades or it is under the same party operations, For example, Russia with Putin who is Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, etc just dressed up in designer duds.

ironically it's even obvious in our respective avatars, that one is stuck in the past making the same mistakes while the other is looking to the future and hopefully advancing to the next age of enlightenment all the while realizing we are just human and will make completely new and different mistakes.

If Trump has so much power.....why is he still not in office? He could have pulled a Putin. So, whenever you talk about what is going to happen/etc/etc....it means nothing.

a reply to: RussianTroll

It's easier to understand when you realize that the people who support Kamala are the same people that cheered JFKs assassination.

All the real Democrats have left the Party.

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: RussianTroll

It's easier to understand when you realize that the people who support Kamala are the same people that cheered JFKs assassination.

All the real Democrats have left the Party.

Thats so true, LOL I watched quite a bit of the Kennedy/Nixon debate recently, and while Ive read a lot about Kennedy I haven't watched a lot of videos beyond the Moon Speech, the Berlin speech, LOL and his reaction to the Marilyn Monroe "Happy Birthday" introduction. In the debate came across as a modern moderate to Republican and its once again easy to see why he was so popular, he had such a balanced mixture of sound and well-reasoned politics and the personality to convey the message to a wide range of voters.

I would have easily voted for Kennedy and his brother with no qualms about it. But I always look for the more competent that I have the same basic beliefs with

*OFFICIAL* Trump doing Podcast with Rogan on Friday

more evidence that if the government was trying to control the social media narrative they are failing

Democrats have been telling everyone for years that Trump is a danger to democracy.
Putin endorses Harris.
Maybe Putin actually cares about democracy and America so much that he doesn’t want us voting for Trump.
What a swell guy.

a reply to: SourGrapes

It's easier to understand when you realize that the people who support Kamala are the same people that cheered JFKs assassination.

Are you claiming that John Birch Society members aged 70 and above are Harris' base?
That would be a very small base indeed. But that doesn't quite figure.

See: WELCOME TO TEXAS, MR. OBAMA
I think the Obama base made up of many people much too young to vote JFK is largely Harris voters now. Of course some Harris voters are too young to have voted for Obama.

originally posted by: FullHeathen
a reply to: SourGrapes

It's easier to understand when you realize that the people who support Kamala are the same people that cheered JFKs assassination.

Are you claiming that John Birch Society members aged 70 and above are Harris' base?
That would be a very small base indeed. But that doesn't quite figure.

See: WELCOME TO TEXAS, MR. OBAMA
I think the Obama base made up of many people much too young to vote JFK is largely Harris voters now. Of course some Harris voters are too young to have voted for Obama.

Hard to believe Obama was 8 years ago,for me that seems like 20 years ago

Sure a big chunk of his voters are Harris voters but he influence seem to be waning publically no matter his influence behind the scenes. Let's face it there's a good possibility Barry's been pushing the buttons for the last 12 of 16 years, plenty of newer generations see him as a Boomer like they see Biden as a Boomer, Clinton as a Boomer, and Harris as an unhinged cackling Boomer.

This doesn't look like a former President connecting with his voter base



Besides with the border issues ...

a reply to: RussianTroll

I don't expect you to understand this NEVER WAS and should NOT be a democracy, little d.

This is a Republic and the Commies from your Russia infiltrated our Political party. The ones your people threw out found a soft landing in the Cabal who needed help subverting the will of a people who love to free others from bondage.

originally posted by: Vermilion

Democrats have been telling everyone for years that Trump is a danger to democracy.
Putin endorses Harris.
Maybe Putin actually cares about democracy and America so much that he doesn’t want us voting for Trump.
What a swell guy.

All hardcore partisans have been saying their opponents are a danger to democracy.

Every election has been contested and accused of being rigged. Both sides use extreme rhetoric to paint the other side as fascist/communist.

I suppose they find that easier than selling their platform and convincing independents.

We’ve seen the policy from both who are going up for election. It’s debt, inflation, preferential treatment to the donor class.

I’ll admit Trump looks a little better since at least he’s a semi known quantity, but damn is it a low bar.