Of all things, grunge music. Short, simple, relevant, not NSFW.

a reply to: Solvedit

Taking other peoples' things doesn't work. You are true to your username.

What if they convinced many because maybe they didn't like who they were and started putting on personas and no longer even remember who they are.

Holy Moly!!! You're right!!!

Stone Temple Pilots referred to "a boy named sue" in their song "Crackerman".

Johnny Cash didn't write the song. Shel Silverstein wrote it for him. And then Cash got all confused about who he was and that's why he had that drug problem.


As for my user name: I really should have gone with UsuallyBarefoot, better yet UnusuallyBarefoot.

Just the other day, while waiting for the crossing light to turn green, a lady asked "Aren't your feet cold?"

"No" I said.

She said "Well mine sure would be." Then the crossing light turned green.

In the middle of the street, I lifted one foot and said "As long as the sole is ..." but the count down was getting low on the crossing light so I hurried on across.

Suppose the plan was to crib personas until they could learn to act smart but people saw through it.

They may still appreciate the look into the lives of rock & roll holdouts but naturally they wouldn't necessarily want to get to know the musicians which brought the music to life.

So they were inches from the party life they had hoped to have but denied.

It may be why people still buy they were tortured geniuses.

originally posted by: Solvedit
Suppose the plan was to crib personas until they could learn to act smart but people saw through it.

They may still appreciate the look into the lives of rock & roll holdouts but naturally they wouldn't necessarily want to get to know the musicians which brought the music to life.

So they were inches from the party life they had hoped to have but denied.

It may be why people still buy they were tortured geniuses.

Thats a case of putting the cart before the horse there mate.

As for the party life, I always thought that was something encouraged by the labels to make it easier to exert control over the artists and the money their art makes.

a reply to: SprocketUK

I guess the same could be said for any major cultural movement , music , art , urban sports
I remember the same happening to graffiti and hiphop culture when it became heavily commercialised and used in nearly every ad in the 90s so much that it was quite nauseating
to see the vultures come in and use everything they could to make a buck
at the same time decrying the same culture in law
we cant do graffiti its a crime , but an ad company can use it to sell their latest product
you cant talk about money and bitches, but we can use it to sell a car etc etc
you cant be a gangsta rapper and have guns , but we can use it in every movie and make it look cool

a reply to: sapien1982

Hollywood is a perfect example and how it glamorizes criminal acts and activities.

If you were to do half of the things portrayed in most movies.

The implications would likely be rather far-reaching and extreme.

And most likely entailing a lengthy jail sentence.

a reply to: sapien1982

Agreed.
People often glamourise stuff with little to no understanding of it.

MC's are the main ones that spring to my mind, stuff like Sons of Anarchy and Mayans, Hell ride etc. They can make the impressionable think that its something they can do or be part of with no downside.

originally posted by: SolveditDo you see someone who dresses as outrageously as he did (think womens' clothes) being so titillated by the danger of a little heroin that he could write Tahitian Moon?

I recall hearing it said that the song is not about drugs but of course it is.

The subject of the song probably realized they were going to have to find a way to pay for all the drugs they were going to need if they got hooked, and it was going to do this to their personality: (and make him feel like he was wearing a sarong)

"My boat's capsized, it's gonna sink to the bottom
I can see the lights on the shore getting farther away...

...The sea is a very easy place to disappear
Drift away, fall asleep or make your peace (make your peace)"

So the band might be the lyricists and the songwriters of the music but, five years after "Mountain Song," could they still feel their own recruitment into Rock & Roll so strongly?

You may say they could be telling the story they got from one of their fans, but I tend to think their "scene" already knew one another pretty well.

It suggests they're getting the concept or the story from somewhere else. Perhaps buying it from unscrupulous counselors? I don't know.

originally posted by: theatreboy
a reply to: Solvedit
The grunge scene is an exact copy of the Laurel Canyon scene of the 60s with all the MK-Ultra crap going on.

The counter culture is always controlled by the government or their agents.

Both scenes were controlled.

I don't think it's the CIA or MKUltra so much as some non governmental communizing influence.

I didn't want to comment on the scene so much as the notion that their artists may have been importing material from another world, perhaps with the assistance of unscrupulous counselors who sold stories and concepts.

I'd say grunge played pretty fresh, suggesting the main acts may have gotten their material from outside the rock & roll world. I have no perspective on what you're talking about with the Laurel Canyon scene.

I did carefully choose the "Conspiracies in Religions" forum. Suppose some Church had been subverted by Gramsci and was communizing people who want no part of rock & roll?