Of all things, grunge music. Short, simple, relevant, not NSFW.

a reply to: theatreboy

I just liked the music buddy.

And as far as I'm aware "the Wrecking Crew" did not create songs for Nirvana, Pearl Jam, or Soundgarden.

"The Wrecking Crew" was a group of session musicians based in "Los Angeles" not Seattle.

And active mainly during the 1960s and early 1970s.

So the decades simply dont vibe.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: Compendium

Not what I'm saying, but can see why one would think that. I'm saying he failed to keep grunge from being something slapped on to every 90s video. ...
...Kurt was a failed iconoclast in this regard. He couldn't stop the kids clapping and being trendy to the new hip thing.

I'm speculating he was just playing a role someone coached him in.

His fans were tired of feeling like they were being cheap and crummy selling themselves and breaking the law for an easier job.

They probably wanted to feel "we have to do this, we have no choice."

But the "we deserve better" part was cribbed from someone who didn't want to be pressured into sex work.

I hear the ghetto never likes what it earns from rocking and rolling because they're just not that interesting. This dovetailed with the sense of oppression in some of the music.

But did provide some GREAT iconoclast moments

Where rock & roll is concerned, Kurt may have been as authentic as they come, but Smells Like Teen Spirit reminds me of the song "This Is Not For You" where they go "where do they come from, they storm my room."

Perhaps the mafia or some other outfit is pressuring the subject of the song, and spreading rumors around that they're a hoe in order to increase the pressure, and people apply a bunch of pressure, but he/she had only smelled their deodorant (Teen Spirit was a deodorant) and hadn't yet been forced to be with them. Perhaps they're not even really there but he/she can't get over the feeling that they're thinking about them.

Then (I suppose) somebody ostensibly helps them decompress from the sexual assault but later secretly writes down everything they said they felt.

Then (I suppose) Kurt the budding rock star is informed, and writes lyrics. He knows it's terribly uninteresting to look like he's eager beaver for partying and drugs. Though it's mostly what's on his mind, no one wants to hear how he wants partying and drugs. Perhaps he had learned that.

Then (I suppose) he goes and teaches others like him to feel righteous indignation and they like it.

a reply to: Solvedit

To be honest, this could have been written about Punk, it could also (to a lesser extent) have been written about Merseybeat or Britpop.
Whenever the paradigm shifts, whenever people identify a new musical movement, it doesnt take long for the businesses to try and move in and steal their clothes so they can make a buck.

I don't think you can stand people like Kurt up and accuse them of not believing in what they were doing.

You could maybe accuse David Geffen, CEO of Geffen records of that, but I don't think it stacks up when you accuse the artists themselves of being sell outs. (Or sell oots, if you are Canadian)

originally posted by: Solvedit


Did punk bands normally sit down and craft exquisite rockabilly melodies, even if somewhat crudely executed? No, they tried to sound crappy.

I'm not sure they tried to sound crappy, I think in the early days they were just crap and, playing gigs etc turned them into decent musicians, then people called them sell outs for putting in melodies.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: Solvedit

To be honest, this could have been written about Punk, it could also (to a lesser extent) have been written about Merseybeat or Britpop.
Whenever the paradigm shifts, whenever people identify a new musical movement, it doesnt take long for the businesses to try and move in and steal their clothes so they can make a buck.

My angle is I'm speculating people you should have been able to trust cribbed concepts, attitudes, "airs" as in putting on an air, from people who were indignant for being pressured to rock & roll.

(In my speculation) the people you should be able to trust, whoever they are, sold the concepts to uninteresting people who needed a story because they knew the public didn't want to hear them sing about how they were eager for drugs and partying instead of a life of menial labor.

The audience turned the meaning of the indignation on its head by pretending they do need to work because they're entitled to get what they want and they can't be expected to exercise spirituality or religion to obtain the security they are entitled to.

a reply to: Solvedit

Trust is a mug's game Solvedit.

As all you are essentially doing is giving a person or thing a finite amount of time to let you down.

Nonetheless, without a modicum of such, it would be kind of hard to get anything done in this world.

Popstars and people who are famous are not exactly the most trustworthy sorts at the best of times through.

Simply down to the lifestyles they lead.

What makes you think they are people you should be able to trust?

a reply to: Solvedit

There was an interview with Henry Rollings, years ago, about how choosing the musician life meant some days you went to bed hungry but at least you weren't flipping burgers.

Dashed if I can find it now but it rung a bell with me.

Im not aware of any of the main movers in the Grunge thing being from prosperous backgrounds and pretending otherwise.

a reply to: Solvedit

My angle is I'm speculating people

they were eager for drugs and partying instead of a life of menial labor.

You really never saw any of these people getting ready to go to their day or nightshift jobs between gigs.

I wrote a little something.
Not poetry
Not prose

Maybe something similar to a grunge song. Maybe if some music accompanies the screaming into a microphone it could pass as grunge.

Anatomy of a Conspiracy

originally posted by: andy06shake
Popstars and people who are famous are not exactly the most trustworthy sorts at the best of times through.

Simply down to the lifestyles they lead.

What makes you think they are people you should be able to trust?

You never read what was written then you charge in and tell everyone they're wrong.

I never said pop stars were people you should trust.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Im not aware of any of the main movers in the Grunge thing being from prosperous backgrounds and pretending otherwise.

I believe I said they were ghetto and had a choice between working and menial jobs. To me at least, they seemed to be putting on the persona of a tortured genius, not just protesting poverty.

Some people can't just get a simple job because people will say "why are you taking up someone else's job? You could be entertaining."

Grunge artists' life may have been plenty hard but to me it didn't seem like exactly what they're claiming they're about.

Can you be tortured by your own sense of entitlement?

Maybe they defined what they were entitled to the same way they got their grunge persona: by copying others or letting communists counsel them into copying others. Feeling tortured because defining your persona by copying others doesn't sound genius.

a reply to: Solvedit

Where did i tell you that you were wrong?

I simply asked you a question.

Sounding rather defensive Solvedit.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Solvedit

Where did i tell you that you were wrong?

I simply asked you a question.

Sounding rather defensive Solvedit.

Then you deny it.

a reply to: Solvedit

If you say so.

But you are the one that supplied it.

Nuts.

a reply to: Solvedit

Maybe they defined what they were entitled to the same way they got their grunge persona: by copying others or letting communists counsel them into copying others. Feeling tortured because defining your persona by copying others doesn't sound genius.

Read this: 1994: 7 YEAR BITCH, ¡VIVA ZAPATA!
Listen to this:

Real people
Real loss
Real fear
Real lack of justice

a reply to: Solvedit
I think you are seeing stuff that might not be there

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: theatreboy

I just liked the music buddy.

And as far as I'm aware "the Wrecking Crew" did not create songs for Nirvana, Pearl Jam, or Soundgarden.

"The Wrecking Crew" was a group of session musicians based in "Los Angeles" not Seattle.

And active mainly during the 1960s and early 1970s.

So the decades simply dont vibe.

No, they did not...you are right. It was a whole different group of studio musicians for grunge.

originally posted by: FullHeathen
Real people
Real loss
Real fear
Real lack of justice

Right, and obviously, the only way to solve it is to become a musician and make a billion dollars.

a reply to: Solvedit

So here is List of music artists by net worth.

Not spotting any Grunge artists there.

originally posted by: FullHeathen
a reply to: Solvedit

So here is List of music artists by net worth.

Not spotting any Grunge artists there.

Your point only means they did not succeed.

Taking other peoples' things doesn't work. You are true to your username.

What if they convinced many because maybe they didn't like who they were and started putting on personas and no longer even remember who they are.

a reply to: Solvedit

Taking other peoples' things doesn't work.

Have you met colonization?

Taking other people's things are how empires are built.

Music-wise, well they do say imitation is the best form of flattery.

But they would be influences would they not?

As opposed to outright copyright infringement.