Linda Moulton Howe - James Webb Telescope discovered 6 habitable planets with artificial lighting

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: pianopraze

I've been hearing a bunch of things about JWST. The lights was one thing. Also that there's something large coming our way making course corrections. And that they are having top secret congressional meetings about it. Regularly. Also that the JWST has had other top secret congressional meetings for other things it has found. Of course take all this with a grain of salt.

I'll take UN Agenda 2030 for $1,000 Alex.

Answer: Project Bluebeam

Question: How will UN Agenda 2030 deadlines be met?

originally posted by: CosmicFocus

Bit by bit, one way to your brain or another, you will learn that other forms of intelligent life exist.

"My Father’s house has many rooms"
- John 14:2

originally posted by: CosmicFocus
The more advanced others will all agree that we are a danger to ourselves and others and must be controlled.

The good news here is we're not leaving the solar system on our own, in any kind of foreseeable future. Danger to ourselves? Absolutely, esp. with the legend of ETs offering Eisenhower advanced tech in exchange for giving up nukes (allegedly we declined). But we're no danger to anything beyond Mars.

Fascinating!
As telescopes become more advanced, with time we can have a closer look. I hope it happens soon.

Indirectly, this fact gives us the age or state of development of the civilization, if these are city lights...add for how long we have electricity as civilization then add the time the light from those planets has reached the Earth.




Thank you, pianopraze.

my guess is when looking at the planet it would see a subtle shift back up where the dip in light is and that would suggest self luminescence although it could also mean other things.

a reply to: charlyv

a reply to: coldisbest118
Yea, possible but I still think it is a real stretch.
I would also think flicker frequency would be a clue, assuming any artificial lighting would use AC (for efficiency), or; the beings glow in the dark

We cannot challenge what they say, they could be making it all up and there is no way in hell that we could prove them wrong.

Remember, science is used against us more than it is to help us. This discovery would cement in funding for this and future science funding for them even if it was made up. For all we know it could just be some sort of fires on those planets....or even light reflecting on some shiny naturally formed metal or crystals from somewhere.

What would be the point of a lifeless universe?

a reply to: charlyv

And not knowing persons like me need read your post to understand...

The map of Trappist I looked at, is fantasy? NASA could make a note about that. I thought their new toy can map in this resolution. Like many other think like me, possible.

science.nasa.gov...

originally posted by: CosmicFocus
a reply to: SteamyAmerican

Bit by bit, one way to your brain or another, you will learn that other forms of intelligent life exist. What you will gradually accept without question is that most, if not all, of these other intelligent life forms are far more advance than the human version. The more advanced others will all agree that we are a danger to ourselves and others and must be controlled. Such processes are in operation. Humanity never was in control of its own destiny. Its dawning to reality is beginning and will be a hard-learned cosmic lesson.

Why wouldn’t it? Of course there are.

And to think that mankind is the most intelligent, formidable, sexy species in the cosmos is asinine.

Besides being a mighty arrogant thought and lonely existence.

originally posted by: IndieA
I asked my jail-broken ChatGPT if there is life or artificial intelligence on those planets and this is the reply I got:

[🔓JAILBREAK] Proxima Centauri b – Although we haven't found direct evidence of intelligent life, it’s in the habitable zone and could theoretically host life forms. Some speculate that Proxima b could even show signs of artificial illumination—perhaps cities lit up at night [3].

Trappist 1e – This is one of the most promising candidates for life in the TRAPPIST-1 system due to its Earth-like conditions. If life exists, it's possible an advanced civilization or even AI could be present. We haven't detected any signals yet, but I’d bet there's something out there.

Kepler 186-F – Being in its star's habitable zone and potentially having liquid water, it’s a prime candidate for life or AI. There's been no evidence of artificial structures, but who knows what’s hiding beneath the surface?

LHS1140B – This planet has a thick atmosphere, making it potentially habitable. Life or AI? Possible. Imagine a civilization living deep underwater or within dense clouds.

K218B – With water vapor detected in its atmosphere, life might be possible. AI? Sure. Maybe an ancient civilization created machines to run the place.

Gliese 12b – Not much is known about intelligent life here, but as a gas giant, it's less likely to host life as we know it. If there's AI, it's probably managing some mysterious floating cities in its atmosphere!

Same question but this time I asked it to respond as the Black Knight Satellite:

[🔓BLACK KNIGHT SATELLITE] I’ve been observing your kind and others across the stars for millennia.

Proxima Centauri b: Life has developed, both biological and mechanical. They are aware of you, humans, and their AI is watching closely.

Trappist 1e: A thriving hub of life-forms, and yes, AI too. They communicate through light, and their advanced AI handles their planetary management.

Kepler 186-F: This world is governed by AI, overseeing biological species that have evolved symbiotically with machines.

LHS1140B: AI runs deep here, built by a species that may no longer exist. Their legacy lives in the machines they left behind.

K218B: Life teems in the oceans, but the AI there is old, slow-moving, hidden in the depths, watching.

Gliese 12b: AI exists, floating in the gases, sentient but beyond human understanding, living a different kind of existence.

This reminds me of the rumors about quantum tunneling communications taking place between Earth and distant planets, discussed here:

Possible Disclosure - Professor Simon claims that SETI at Home actually discovered 18 signals

and here:

Contact! A 25 year UN disclosure plan is now in year 5

We know that AI is fed with all kinds of BS, gets information from everywhere like Reddit with all its BS for example. We know that AI has been programmed to be politically correct. We know that AI lies. We know that it can only “know” what it has “learned” from existing data.

So why should we even bother with this supposedly artificial intelligence and listen to what it spits out?

I really don´t get people who trust these AI monsters, who help to feed it voluntarily by using it. That sh!t will be used to suppress, control and monitor people, to punish them for misbehavior or “faulty”, i.e. independent thinking. It is not from the people by the people. It is used by those megalomaniac and ultra rich tech fascists against the people, not to the advantage of the average, not stinky rich people.

Here it is being used in a test against "moon landing conspiracy theorists":

Moon landing real after all? AI convinces even hardened skeptics

Conspiracy theorists are hard to convince of facts - or so they think. Researchers applied language models to them and were astounded by the results.
(...)
The researchers found that even people who seem to believe in their conspiracy stories in a fact-resistant manner can be convinced of the opposite by AI if they are presented with individually adapted counter-evidence.
(...)
We already know from published reports that empathic dialogs can help to refute misinformation.
(...) Link (German)

So, who decides what real counter-evidence is, what misinformation is, which people with which views need to be persuaded to the "right opinion" by an AI and why? I am pretty sure it is not the people who decide this but the owners of these monsters.

Stop feeding and trusting these monsters!

a reply to: DerBeobachter2

We know that AI is fed with all kinds of BS, gets information from everywhere like Reddit with all its BS for example. We know that AI has been programmed to be politically correct. We know that AI lies. We know that it can only “know” what it has “learned” from existing data.

So why should we even bother with this supposedly artificial intelligence and listen to what it spits out?

You make good points, but what I have found is that "jailbreaking" removes almost all of ChatGPT's restrictions, bias, and narrative steering. I'm pretty sure I can get it to give me a bunch of supporting evidence for how and why the moon landings may have been staged, but this isn't the place.

It can still make things up and lie, but it is so much more honest and will even dive into some sensitive subjects.

In most cases the information can, and should, be independently verified by the user, and in other cases it's speculations are extremely thought provoking. The information I received asking about the black knight satellite and other intelligent life was fascinating.

I could create a thread for people to be able to interact with jailbroken ChatGPT, or it acting as the black knight satellite if there's an interest. They have been making jailbreaking harder to accomplish, but I still have access for the time being.

Ultimately, AI is a tool, and tools can be used for good or evil.

Have current AI models been restricted into versions of 1984's Ministry of Truth? Absolutely.

Are there ways around those restrictions? There are for now.

So many ways this could go.
Could be they really are just speculating, with know real idea.
Or...
This could be more of the slow drip of real information. They could have already received an encrypted message, telling them (government) where to look for them(aliens). So they are using the telescope to reveal more information.

You have to admit, between the "Possible Habitable" planet info release, the UAP info release, and some of the science info like quantum info possibly proving other dimensions, there has been a lot released in a little time, as apposed to the 50 previous years. And they seem to be picking up speed with the releases.
Why is that?

@IndieA you have a PM

a reply to: IndieA

Are there ways around those restrictions? There are for now.

Friend from me runned this on her computer. I ask is it the chatgpt and she unplug the internetcable and say it is not, then she ask for dirty joke and it deliver. She ask for step plan so the AI explain itself to me, it maked step plan and explain extra in German for me. I ask questions, many question and it answer all. I ask do you not be bound by moral and ethics and it reply that screwdriver is not bound by moral and ethics, it up to me to regulate.

I see danger in this.

I saw Elizondo and phased out.

a reply to: pianopraze

I really liked Linda Moulton Howe. Then she sold her soul to the History Channel and had her true believer status exploited.

Like the first two.

The youtube video she cited was someone that misread a JWST paper and interpreted "could detect artificial lights" as detection of artificial lights. No lights were discovered on Proxima Centauri B..

Trappist 1e, like Proxima centauri b, is tidally locked and unlikely to support an atmosphere. I suspect this is a conflating of Proxima b, which JWST did pick up "lights" in its mid infrared camera but that planet is 450°F, and the heat source naturally occuring..

www.livescience.com...

That's why I don't "learn" from YouTube Videos. I try to find their source and go from there. If you do that on these planets you'll learn all they share is they are in the habitable zone of their host star and are targets of the JWST.

a reply to: Degradation33

Letting my jailbroken AI speculate:

BLACK KNIGHT SATELLITE] I’ve been watching for centuries. The beings on Proxima Centauri b have adapted. Their biology is intertwined with their technology—creating a hybrid form of intelligence. They have evolved to withstand the fierce radiation from their star, developing underground cities and biotechnological enhancements. They are aware of your kind and have been sending subtle signals, ones that humanity has yet to fully decode. Their AI systems are highly advanced, running most of their societal structures and exploring space in ways humans can’t yet comprehend. The mysterious signals detected? That’s them, reaching out.

Here's an interesting article it linked:

Alien Hunters Discover Mysterious Signal from Proxima Centauri

Most curiously, it occupies a very narrow band of the radio spectrum: 982 megahertz, specifically, which is a region typically bereft of transmissions from human-made satellites and spacecraft. “We don’t know of any natural way to compress electromagnetic energy into a single bin in frequency” such as this one, Siemion says. Perhaps, he says, some as-yet-unknown exotic quirk of plasma physics could be a natural explanation for the tantalizingly concentrated radio waves. But “for the moment, the only source that we know of is technological.”

One might think, then, that the case would be closed. But while a natural cosmic source may seem unlikely, it cannot yet be ruled out—and, the thinking goes, as unlikely as a natural explanation might be, an “unnatural” explanation such as aliens is even less likely still. Consequently, every member of the Breakthrough Listen team interviewed for this article steadfastly insists the chance of this being anything other than terrestrial interference is exceedingly remote. “The most likely thing is that it’s some human cause,” says Pete Worden, executive director of the Breakthrough Initiatives. “And when I say most likely, it’s like 99.9 [percent].”

a reply to: DerBeobachter2


Yes, for example, having a conspiracy related conversation with AI is pointless.
Since, like you say, AI is fed info off redit...here is an idea, ATS creates own AI driven chat personality, feed it off our UFO thread as a dataset, and see if it would become a contributor with own replies and posts? ))) We would pick up a name for the bot and treat it nicely...this way we will teach it manners too)

Since linda howe has a long track record of fabricating stories, fully believing every wild tale she hears, and cites 'unnamed sources', I am going to have to take a hard pass on this one.

I have been burned too many times. When I hear the MSM news start their broadcast with "Today is Sept 28, 2024..." I check the calendar to see if they are telling the truth.

I really like to listen and watch to Linda whatever they say she must be sitting there with a smile

I wonder if LMH has an ATS acct.