British MP's Smoking Ban Tweet Labelled 'Repugnant' by Jewish Group

In their never ending quest to criminalise the British public our Socialist Labour party has a plan to outlaw smoking in public places such as pub beer gardens and outside entertainment venues which would no doubt be the final nail in the coffin for already struggling British pubs , nightclubs and theatres.

In response to this further crack down on our personal freedoms British Conservative MP Esther McVey posted a tweet recounting a poem by Martin Niemöller regarding the rise of the Nazis which has ruffled a few feathers in the Board of Deputies of British Jews who claim the tweet is 'Repugnant' .

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a communist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Pertinent words re Starmer’s smoking ban
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Personally I don't see how it is 'Repugnant' and probably for the first time I agree with Esther McVey , the poem is pertinent to our current situation and a well chosen analogy , I guess criticism of our self admitted Zionist PM equating his governments actions to that of Nazi Germany is a step to far for the Board of Deputies but McVey has said she won't be bullied into removing it and as twitter is a now free speech platform I doubt it will be removed.

We will not be silenced.

What are they gunna do? Send smokers to the clink?

Someone open a window the smoke is clouding the mirrors.

a reply to: gortex

a reply to: Dalamax

What are they gunna do? Send smokers to the clink?

They'll do what they do , probably issue fines which if not paid would lead to further action.

This government has sent people to jail for posting words online , I wouldn't put anything past them.

a reply to: gortex

It seems to me they have as much chance of banning smoking outside.

As they do for fining people for parking on the curb.

People won't pay or acknowledge the fixed penalty fines.

Meaning court at some point if TPTB wishes to pursue the sum of monies.

And all that would do is inundate the court system with nonsensical fines that millions of people would be unwilling to pay.

They would sink their own battleships with such shenanigans.

Or at the very least simply waste time, money, and resources, issuing fines that are never going to be recovered.

a reply to: andy06shake

People won't pay or acknowledge the fixed penalty fines.

As with any fixed penalty notice ignoring it doesn't make it go away , penalty charges will be incurred .

If you ignore a fixed penalty notice (FPN), you will be prosecuted for the offense. This can result in the following:
Court summons: You may receive a summons to appear in court.

Larger fine: If found guilty in court, you may be given a larger fine and have to pay court costs.

Criminal conviction: If found guilty, you could receive a criminal conviction.

Arrest warrant: The court may issue a warrant for your arrest if you fail to respond.

For some people a criminal conviction may lead to the loss of their job.

They already have smoking wardens in cities like Manchester where council officers follow smokers waiting for them to discard their cigarette butt so they can fine them , I guess those patrols would be expanded.

a reply to: gortex

They dont really jail people for nonpayment of fines any longer mate.

The worst that is likely to happen would be a community service order also issued or an attachment of earnings to recover the money.

But if there are thousands of people filing the courts, it will just be counterproductive to the system.

Hence not worth the effort.

a reply to: gortex

Can you imagine the tribunals that would arise if companies decided to let workers go down to nonpayment of an anti-smoking fines?

It would just be chaos.

They have those wardens here in Glasgow also.

We call them purple police.

You can simply walk away from them mate and not give them any information.

And they cannot stop you or hold you against your will.

The worst they can really do is contact a proper police man, and have you tried getting a hold of one of those lately?

Maybe about 4 hours later.

They are like TV license people gortex, no teeth unless you hand them such.

a reply to: andy06shake

They dont really jail people for nonpayment of fines any longer mate.

They didn't used to jail people for writing words unless they were threats to kill , with the prison system in the state that it's in jail is the least likely outcome but a criminal conviction is still a problem for usually law abiding people especially if it means the loss of a job.

McVey's post is a warning , today they come for the smokers tomorrow this authoritarian government may come for you.

a reply to: gortex

That's another reason they won't jail people for nonpayment of fines gortex.

Prisons are all full to the brim.

I agree that a criminal conviction is still a problem for some and that may be a deterrent, especially so future employment wise.

I dont smoke tobacco any longer, but i also imagine a lot of people would be inclined to wear such a charge as a badge of honor in this day of age.

I just think trying to ban smoking outside is a bit of a ""pipe dream"".

If Keir Starmer had half a brain he would legalise weed, and win some hearts and minds, as opposed to losing them.

Nevermind also generate massive revenue via taxing the product in the same manner we do already with tobacco.

Which could help with getting the nation back on its feet.

a reply to: andy06shake

Today they ban smoking outdoors , tomorrow vaping outdoors and the day after walking on the cracks in the pavement , the direction of travel for this government seems obvious .... control and punishment.

2 months into this government and already we are being subjected , where will we be after 5 years of Starmer's Labour regime.

a reply to: gortex

Today they ban smoking outdoors , tomorrow vaping outdoors

They wont through, look at the reaction they are getting already.

Banning smoking can and would equate to a revolution by my guess, and I'm not even joking.

and the day after walking on the cracks in the pavement.

Ive seen quite a lot of spiceheads doing that.

It's fecking hilarious.

2 months into this government and already we are being subjected , where will we be after 5 years of Starmer's Labour regime.

Lets just get through his first year, alive that is.

The man has turned out to be a complete and utter twonk, no two ways about it thus far.

The deck of cards the Tories handed him were somewhat marked all the same, "soiled" would be the word i would use.

But its no excuse.

I think we all know politics is broken in this county, and has been for quite some time.

Banning smoking outdoors would simply equate to another nail in Starmer's coffin through.

And i really dont see how they could implement such shenanigans without a total ban on tobacco if I'm honest.

Now think of the immediate loss of taxes and revenue there.

He would not just be shooting himself in the foot, but blowing both legs off with a grenade.

a reply to: gortex

My guess is that comparing the struggle of jews with that of smokers isn't sitting right with them...

If you take that saying literally and in the historical context it's gross to compare the two. I would guess being jew isn't an addiction...
taken as a metaphor I can barely see it's application...
i mean it's about addicts being alowed to do their drugs in public, seems like the smokers missed their opportunity to stand up for other addicts... Maybe sugar, coffee, or TikTok, can save nicotine

a reply to: Terpene

My guess is that comparing the struggle of jews with that of smokers isn't sitting right with them...

It's a warning from history , if we ignore history we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of history , freedoms once lost are rarely recovered.

The Board of Deputies seem content to ignore that their state is repeating the wrongs that were committed against them on the Palestinian people but choose to get hot under the collar because someone dared to post a poem that warns of such,

Starmer has created his ideological enemy , the "Far Right" , for the same reasons Hitler created his ideological enemy , divide and conquer.

While I don't agree with the proposed smoking ban at all, comparing it in anyway to the holocaust isnt just repugnant it's moronic.

I can see whats likely to happen next.

The age limit for purchasing alcohol will be risen.
The price of a pint of beer will get stupidly silly.
Next elections you will probably have to show picture I.D

Look what this ba***rd has done so far.

Smoking ban basically.
Taking away your knifes and machetes and swords.
Scrapping the heating grant for the elderly.
Scrapping the Rwanda scheme to deport ileagal immigrants.(more terrorists will be coming in).

Who knows whats coming next.

Violent criminals are being released early, WHY?

"because our prisons are overcrowded".

I see a bleak future.

a reply to: gortex

I don't think people are getting your point or purposely ignoring it.

It starts by increments. Small ones that people will ignore, like smoking in public. They will say "Oh it's a filthy, unhealthy habit anyway, so what's the harm ? "

We are being conditioned to accept being told how to live our lives, according to TPTB saying what is good and what is bad.


Some folks need to re read 1984.

a reply to: DAVID64

Thank you David.

a reply to: DAVID64

Some folks need to re read 1984.

Well, the cigarettes in "1984" were often described as being of low quality.

Poorly made, with tobacco that was stale or crumbling.

I seem to recall Winston himself frequently experienced the cigarettes falling apart as he attempted to smoke them.

Which i always thought was supposed to symbolize the general decay and deterioration of life under ""Party rule"".

It is a filthy and unhealthy habit no two ways about that fact i suppose.

But attempting to tell people that they cannot smoke outside is apt to go down like a lead balloon.

Again its just simply not implementable in any sort of fair manner unless they were to actually ban the sale of tobacco products across the board.

And the revenue lost would be quite the figure given that 10% of the nation still chooses to partake where tobacco is concerned.

Edit: Google would suggest tobacco taxes in 2022 were generating approximately £10.7 billion in revenue.

Loosing that kind of revenue would be quite the kick in the teeth to a nation already on its arse.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
While I don't agree with the proposed smoking ban at all, comparing it in anyway to the holocaust isnt just repugnant it's moronic.

She isn't comparing the two things she's using the poem as a warning of the dangers of authoritarianism which is something this government has at its core.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: gortex

That's another reason they won't jail people for nonpayment of fines gortex.

Prisons are all full to the brim.

In commiefornia they just release the most violant criminals to make room.
These insane people (commies, 'lefties' etc) want as much upheavel and chaos as possible to disrupt stable society.