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www.pewresearch.org...

Among the public overall, 63% of U.S. adults say the government has the responsibility to provide health care coverage for all, up slightly from 59% last year. Roughly a third (37%) say this is not the responsibility of the federal government, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted July 27 to Aug. 2 among 11,001 adults.

Now this is a respectable organization, with respectable polling and high standards. But in reality, they aren't. And I can prove it, so can you.
Just look at the chart in the link.



You will notice there is a middle section. In it, is basically what we have now. Medicare, Medicade, the marketplace, and private Healthcare. And the VA for those who served.

36% went for the socialist pic, and then there are three other choices. Now what might they be?
"MIx of government and private programs", "continue medicare and medicade", and 6% chose no government involvment at all. But look at those middle two choices. What is "some govmernment and some private" look like? Is that different than what we currently have? And what about the "continue medicare and medicade" question? How is that different than "some govmernment and some private"?

The paragraph I quoted from the source, clearly lied, and that's the story that's being told.
and used as a source. For numbers that are a lie.

This garbage has to stop. There isn't anyone telling the truth anymore. Why is everyone OK with this? And if you feel you must bring an example of someone on the right doing this, I bet you can't.

a reply to: network dude

Sadly, lying has become endemic in our society, even acceptable.

Recall that in the 80s, Biden had to withdraw from his Presidential race when publicly caught lying and plagiarising.
People back then had standards with respect to honesty and truth and did NOT accept lies/liars.


Fast forward to 2020, and not only are all those lies forgotten but that same lying Biden becomes the Democrat candidate and then President (admittedly under dubious circumstances...).


Unreal....

What I have seen from reports in the news for years is:

Where there is universal health care. Little health issues are well taken care of.

Big life threatening issues are poorly taken care of - with long (life threatening) waits for tests, treatment, necessary medical devices.

So as long as you are healthy. Universal health care is great.

Once you have a chronic or life threatening illness in Canada, you get a visit or call from the euthanasia centers suggesting you let them kill you to stop your pain and suffering. That is instead of getting care that could greatly help your pain and suffering. A woman desperately needed a new wheelchair in Canada and said she could not wait the very long time it would take to get a new one, it was suggested she consider euthanasia if she could not wait.

That is how I see the reports of universal health care in action.

Universal health care is great until you become a "useless eater" and society (the government) decides you are worthless and too expensive, then you are encouraged to die, or have your treatment delayed until you die.

Remember, one day you WILL get a chronic health problem, if you don't drop dead suddenly, it is as certain as death and taxes, and then YOU will be the useless eater the government allows to die through neglect or suggests you let them kill you. That is unless you are part of the 1% elite influential class then you will get excellent care until you die.

A culture that has 9 states allowing a healthy mother to kill a healthy 9 month full term fetus for no reason, with a VP candidate who supports this as "necessary" health care. Think of what this culture will do when you get chronically ill.

a reply to: network dude

I'm going out on a limb and assuming that the portion of "mix of Government and Private Programs" goes above and beyond the Medicaid and Medicare, and also includes the marketplace plans that were subsidized through the Government through the Cares Act. You know, the ones that tripled everyone's premiums and raised deductibles by 1000%.....

Nobody can be for sure without the actual data in place of vague wording, but that would be my guess.

originally posted by: dothedew
a reply to: network dude

I'm going out on a limb and assuming that the portion of "mix of Government and Private Programs" goes above and beyond the Medicaid and Medicare, and also includes the marketplace plans that were subsidized through the Government through the Cares Act. You know, the ones that tripled everyone's premiums and raised deductibles by 1000%.....

Nobody can be for sure without the actual data in place of vague wording, but that would be my guess.

so you think the poll went into more detail than the above questions? I wonder why they didn't include that information?

a reply to: network dude

Mixed markets are a good thing. Allows for more and sometimes better, consumer choice and improves competition. What a free market is all about.

Trouble with the false binary approach is each faction seeks control of both consumer choice and market forces and in so doing, stifles everything free market stands for.

As to health care, my view is that, along with roads, service grids (power, water, rail, inland waterways) and education are, or should be, national infrastructure and too precious to leave in the hands of either govt or commercial control. One is likely to squander on inefficiency and other forms of low competency whilst the other will prioritise profit only. Neither will look to long term sustainability.

Not keen on outsourcing infrastructure services to private interests without robust scrutiny. We get loads of that in UK. Too much opportunity for politicians in power to let those contracts to their buddies/ spouses/sock-puppet companies.

Your linked article is pure spin. Another example of how political classes use information to garner support (votes and therefore, the right to squander your (wealth) taxes) and how profiteer classes use same information to justify and increase their own wealth.

Nothing I've said means I have a solution, I don't. Nor do I have any magic wand that can fix unconscionable nature of the market.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

And being a "useless eater" is better in the current system how?

a reply to: covent

the only solution is to keep the lies from being hidden. I think we can work through the truth better.

originally posted by: Aardwolfington
a reply to: TheSingleBillie

And being a "useless eater" is better in the current system how?

You still get treated in a timely manner and the cost of your care gets passed to responsible payers.

a reply to: Moon68

You think that? The things you're waiting for in their system is the same things we are. What world are you in where people on things like medicare and medicaid get appointments in days? I was a home health aide, don't come at me with such nonsense. I've seen first hand the long ass wait times my clients have had, even lost a couple in the process of waiting.

If you're implying that either version will turn away someone with an emergency I don't believe it.

a reply to: Aardwolfington

Most of the "useless eaters" will use emergency services as their healthcare. That was one of the major points of Obamacare was that, by requiring insurance for all, thereby spreading the cost out, it would eliminate the use of emergency services as regular healthcare. Due to bureaucratic bullsh*t it failed to deliver, just like pretty much anything government run.

a reply to: Moon68

Emergency services is useless for long term care in both cases. Also, again, where is this idea that the other side doesn't have emergency care?

Emergency care existing doesn't make one better, both have that.

originally posted by: Aardwolfington
a reply to: Moon68

Emergency services is useless for long term care in both cases. Also, again, where is this idea that the other side doesn't have emergency care?

Emergency care existing doesn't make one better, both have that.

Never said they didn't have emergency care. Please don't put words in my mouth. The facts are that the more "useless eater" utilize those services, the more that ALL services take a hit. If you worked in those services you'd know that

a reply to: Moon68

I also know how predatory these services are in the current system. Seen it first hand as they rob entire families for things outside their control. If you worked in those services you'd know that. See I can do that too.

a reply to: Aardwolfington

you are aware that nobody is arguing against you right?

a reply to: network dude

I think health insurance is the problem of why healthcare is so expensive. A complete overhaul is necessary. We need more doctors. We need house calls to make a comeback [no I don't mean on zoom or online]. Too much time wasted A. Trying to find a doctor that takes your insurance and B. Waiting to be seen by them which a lot of times they have long waiting list and it will be weeks or months to get an appointment.

People act like health insurance saves them so much money and obviously it can under this system where hospitals charge $50 for an aspirin and such so if you get cancer or something its a few million dollar bill for treatment. If there was no insurance though, it would force these healthcare entities to make their prices more reasonable and cut all the administrative fat. Nobody could afford it if that was the case and they were still charging these ridiculous amounts. Healthcare shouldn't be a business and that's what insurance turns it into, just a for profit business.

a reply to: Shoshanna

yep, they tried that when they tried to overturn obamacare. A RINO blocked it. He's dead now.

a reply to: network dude

Kind of related:

NPR CEO "Truth gets in the way of concensus and getting big things done"

Source

originally posted by: Aardwolfington
a reply to: Moon68

I also know how predatory these services are in the current system. Seen it first hand as they rob entire families for things outside their control. If you worked in those services you'd know that. See I can do that too.

I never claimed to have work in them but I've been around long enough to see how the system has been gamed. Private healthcare is vastly superior to anything government run.

a reply to: watchitburn

that's frightening. I bet the lefties here will be defending that.