Fear of a Nationalist Salute

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Degradation33

I know my state will remain a liberal sanctuary safe space. I mean so long as they can afford it with negative growth that is.

I can’t make the irony better myself.

It’s like the deep red states that are addicted to welfare.

It’s why I hate dogma so much. Neither side are able to see it.

I prefer the semi rural parts of swing states. Best to stray away from the long pendulum swing IMO. I think personal freedom flourishes there more than the extremes.

I’ve lived in New York and Texas. I can appreciate aspects of both, enjoy to visit, but I do like areas that don’t get bogged down in the collective politics.

Some misunderstand that as being moderate. I see it as not getting caught up in ideological dogma. There’s still discourse, and differences between elections. It’s just not an inevitability. I respect the flexibility in an electorate that adjusts to the temperature.

The whole "red states are addicted to welfare" is a liberal trope.

Red states have more federal funding because they have a lot of major military installations.

Federal spending, you know.

a reply to: Lumenari

It’s not a constant. I didn’t say they all were.

But there certainly are some poor deep red states that have a lot of welfare recipients.

Utah and Florida are top in education and aren’t welfare dependent. It’s not a mold.

Just like there are blue states like Vermont and New Hampshire who have lax gun control laws considering their voting patterns.

We could get mad that both parties don’t always fit the mold, or we could ignore how they color outside the lines.

Just like how the right claims to champion freedom when Bush initiated the Patriot Act and the precedent to follow. Or how Obama said hold my beer afterwards.

You’re welcome to believe any narrative you wish, that’s your freedom. I just personally don’t choose to partake in such dogmas for either wing of the same bird.

a reply to: Degradation33

You may be on to something here.
I can't get past how this failed assassination attempt creates a sense of manifest destiny around the guy.

I'd always eschewed those crazy handmaiden's Tales types saying that his government would usher in such a crazy, religious based nutjob society, I think now it is slightly less far fetched, I think this has given him room to do more with his narrative.

Not saying it will happen, just that I get the feels for it more than I did before.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: Degradation33

You may be on to something here.
I can't get past how this failed assassination attempt creates a sense of manifest destiny around the guy.

I'd always eschewed those crazy handmaiden's Tales types saying that his government would usher in such a crazy, religious based nutjob society, I think now it is slightly less far fetched, I think this has given him room to do more with his narrative.

Not saying it will happen, just that I get the feels for it more than I did before.

Wow, “crazy religious nut job”….. can I
Just tweak that to say the liberal left will bring in a crazy whacked out communist anti-God … oh wait…. They did that already ….

a reply to: EyeoftheHurricane

Course you can

There is so much crazy in this thread I don't know where to start.

Prolly best for me to just shake my head in confusion and move on.

I'll just say in the 80s all the bands wore womens clothes and tranny makeup. It wasn't just culture club it was motley crew and Michael Jackson and flock of seagulls and pretty much everybody. The 80s were not the dark ages. It wasn't the hand maidens tale you seem to think it was.

Also, manifest destiny? I have a hard time believing you understand the phrase. But I don't really understand anything written in the OP.

I guess in your mind American flag = fascist? Go read a book. Hell, just Google it.

Lot of irrational fears in this post. Stop listening to the people that have put this crap in your head.


ETA - people have been putting their fist in the air since the beginning of time. The idea that it was culturally appropriated from black people is just warped.

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originally posted by: 5thHead
There is so much crazy in this thread I don't know where to start.

Prolly best for me to just shake my head in confusion and move on.

I'll just say in the 80s all the bands wore womens clothes and tranny makeup. It wasn't just culture club it was motley crew and Michael Jackson and flock of seagulls and pretty much everybody. The 80s were not the dark ages. It wasn't the hand maidens tale you seem to think it was.

Also, manifest destiny? I have a hard time believing you understand the phrase. But I don't really understand anything written in the OP.

I guess in your mind American flag = fascist? Go read a book. Hell, just Google it.

Lot of irrational fears in this post. Stop listening to the people that have put this crap in your head.


ETA - people have been putting their fist in the air since the beginning of time. The idea that it was culturally appropriated from black people is just warped.

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Not sure where you got the 80s from...
Manifest destiny was used as a a loose referral to the way the 18th century settlers thought it was Gods will they went West I know it doesnt strictly tie in but it is a very American phrase and fits well with the idea that Trump is destined to be president and thus, whatever happens when he is is also predestined.

Im not anti Trump btw, just sort of agreeing with the OP's feelings that this attempt shines a slightly different light on everything.

a reply to: Degradation33

Trump is above all a former president. He once ruled the US so it's not all that difficult to predict what his presidency will look like. It will be similar to his previous one. I'm not so interested in American domestic affairs, you know more about him than me. If his previous actions caused you some concern, it's likely his future actions will worry you too. If they didn't, there's nothing to worry about.

Personally, I'm more worried about his ideas regarding foreign policy. But then again, the present Trump won't be much different from the previous Trump. Those who salute him as the bringer of peace probably forgot his failed gambit with the North Korea, when the US was humiliated by the "short and fat" (Trump's words here) twat from Pyongyang. Both Biden and Trump are the icons of the crumbling American Empire. While the former is weak and senile, the latter has all the characteristics of a chest beating monkey.

I wouldn't overuse a reductio ad hitlerum fallacy. Each political movement has its fair share of fanatical followers who see their leader as somehow chosen and protected by God himself. Providence is a tricky thing though. History showed it many times that God saves some leaders so that the biblical s**tshow of the Apocalypse can play out as planned.

a reply to: Degradation33

Just a thought for your consideration.

I've long been told that I worry about all the wrong things. You may well be doing the same here. The wanna be "Nationalists" you speak of are a dying, disappearing, demographic. Thus the "woke" Progressives will doubtless win in the end....in the US that is. And as they do, over time, those who disagree with them and their values will do what they've done for generations. They'll leave. And they'll leave YOU and the woke Progressives with a genuine problem......an entire world of enemies. And the Nationalists you so fear will be nowhere to be found to defend you.

You might want to start studying Mandarin.

Lady, you worry about all the wrong things.

Let me ask you a question Ms Feminist. What would you have done if you were in Dons place and got shot right after the Liberal opponent called for a bulls eye to be put on you?

Would you stand up and pump your fist, blood streams on your face, and call out to fight? Oh hell no you wouldn't!

You would be squatting like you do, as close to the ground as you could be. You would pull SS agents over you to protect every cm of your body, now wouldn't you.

Yeah, Ive seen it many times. A big tough feminist turn into a crying little girl in less than a second.

Oh so dangerous is that picture of Don pumping his fist. It reminds me of the six Marines Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima. Oh so dangerous!

a reply to: visitedbythem

Give you a star for asking the question you wanted.

I brought up the past feminism and woke stuff because it plays into (still programs) my fear, that not Trump, but the society his glory leads, Trump-ism stands in religious-trending opposition to me. In many histrionic ways. I'm worried this is the catalyst for all my oppression fears.

I am more or less a libertarian now, I even uphold that looking feminine by normal standards (beauty cosmetics) IS NOT an act of self-oppression, unlike when I was in college. I try to be rational, so it included an acknowledgement of its own hyperbole and irrational origin for that reason.

I'm actually sorry it fed an "irrational liberal woman" or any woman stereotype, and would redact that part if done again.

But I will answer the question.

What would you have done if you were in Dons place and got shot right after the Liberal opponent called for a bulls eye to be put on you?

Flight. Gunshots are a flight mechanism. Self-preservation takes over in that instance, and honestly, until it happens, I can't tell you what I'd do.

But I do have the same bullhead need to assert my will he does. I would have the same "you can't kill me, motherf*cker!" response, I just don't know how long that would have been delayed after the shooting.

I admire what he did, that is NOT my issue. I'm more concerned with with the more godlike aura that may lead to. It is almost like "biblical toughness" to get thrown into the fire and stand your ground while burning.

I'm more worried this elevates him to Jesus, rather than Mein Führer.

Yes, because Christians are viewed so well in this nation, and have so much power and influence, it's only going to take a second Trump presidency for Christians to round every female up, force pregnancy on us, make us wear clothes that cover us from head to toe (red hoods are SO my thing), walk with our eyes down, five paces behind our abusive, toxic husbands from arranged marriages.

Scary times ahead.

Nonsense.

a reply to: twistedpuppy

Trump is above all a former president. He once ruled the US so it's not all that difficult to predict what his presidency will look like. It will be similar to his previous one.

So Nancy Pelosi is going to come back as housespeaker in 2026, because vampires don't die, and return to ripping up speech transcripts?

Personally, I'm more worried about his ideas regarding foreign policy. But then again, the present Trump won't be much different from the previous Trump.

Oh you guys put a larger percentage of your GDP into defense than we do, so he won't put Duda on blast when he starts roasting Belgium for being light on their protection money.

He'll do fine on foreign policy. He's a salesman and negotiator in the spirit of Ayn Rand Objectivism, before he dealt with the CCP he dealt with Chinese manufacturers. He'll get the best deal for our interest. That's where you can be most confident in him.

I wouldn't overuse a reductio ad hitlerum fallacy. Each political movement has its fair share of fanatical followers who see their leader as somehow chosen and protected by God himself.

No more or less than Obama was sent by Satan to turn us into Soros-funded socialists.

Providence is a tricky thing though. History showed it many times that God saves some leaders so that the biblical s**tshow of the Apocalypse can play out as planned.

Still sounds like an ad-hitlerum fallacy.

originally posted by: Degradation33
To put it bluntly, I'm worried that fist becomes a staple of Trump Rally supporters.

So what if it does?
BLM T shirts and yard signs became a staple of the woke left for a few years.
Did you get worried about those as well?

BAH. There are REAL things to worry about. Trump raising his hand in a fist showing he's okay and to be strong against evil .. which this shooting was ... isn't one of those things to worry about.