Could there have been two Civil Wars? Could it explain how some feel today?

Could there have been two Civil Wars? Could it explain how some feel today?

Can it be that after the Civil War, the South lost heavily because they had to go home and conquer their own deserters and holdouts?

Two things don’t compute.

First of all, the parole. After a bloody war started by the Rebels, the Rebels are just sent home?

Second of all, the food. They knew how to count people. They knew how to count ships. They knew to grow and set food aside, and they knew there was probably going to be a blockade and they’d need most of their shipping for weapons. Yet food was running low even in the middle part of the war. Propaganda states both sides were expecting the war to be wrapped up in a few weeks but it seems more likely that they surely remembered how long the Revolution had gone on even though the opposing force was far away.

Can it be they were bringing in people to fight for Southern independence but some of them realized which side was going to win, or perhaps felt strongly which side was going to win with some sixth sense, the way some people just know who’s coming back from a mission and who isn’t? Can it be some of their forces had their own ideas about whether they had a legitimate government who could make them fight? Can it be they stayed in the South and did not cooperate with the Army in raising food, perhaps sometimes even raiding food supplies or crops?

Can it be that after the surrender, the Union did not want to send a war-weary army to have to reconquer the holdouts or deserters who did not fight for either side but simply tried to assume ownership of land? Can it be the Union left the fighting to the people who actually owned the land, the (former) Confederates? Can it be the Confederates had to go home and reconquer the land from their own deserters and holdouts? While the Union occupiers stood by?

Some say it is well known but can it be the problem is sometimes understated?

Can it be that rather than feeling guilty for rebelling, Rebel descendants have a sense of ownership because their ancestors had to go in and defeat elements who did not respect the laws regarding who owned the land? I.e. fighting for the law and order of the USA? But they can’t acknowledge how many people they had brought in because they had wanted the South to win what they now call the “War of Northern Aggression?”

Can it be some of the body counts which lead Confederate descendants to claim genocide were actually lost keeping their own holdouts and deserters from taking the place near the end or just after the end of the official Civil war?

a reply to: Solvedit

Could there have been two Civil Wars?

There where two civil wars. The first was 1775- 1783.

a reply to: Solvedit

As someone who lived all my life in an area where there are dozens of the battle fields within a 25 mile radius of my home. The Great Locomotive Chase tracks are about a mile from me now. And yes, a few do consider it the War of Northern Aggression. I can see you are both over simplifying and over examining the problems of the end of the Civil War at the same time.

You might have seen too many movies about the end of the Civil War. You might have been tought many of the wrong facts of that conflict. At least you are curious enough to ask about it.

Much like all wars, the aftermath of any war is full of many conflicts at a lesser scale. How the soldiers on both sides go home and rebuild their lives? How do both sides live with the atrocities comoted both by and to them?

You do understand the south moved all their rail track spacing 6 inches in one day to comply with northern standards for railroad gauge spacing. Then again, most had been torn out during Sherman's Match to the Sea. That is just a small example of the changes after the war.

I don't think of the aftermath as a separate.thing as much as a time of healing the wounds infected to all in that war. Unlike most wars, all involved were in the same country at the beginning and the end of that one.

a reply to: BeyondKnowledge3

Virgil Kane is the name And I served on the Danville train
'Till Stoneman's cavalry came And tore up the tracks again

In the winter of '65 We were hungry, just barely alive
By May the 10th, Richmond had fell
It's a time I remember, oh so well

Respectfully

Born and raised in the Deep South and I've traveled all over the Southeast and lots of the Northeast and upper Mid West. I have talked with hundreds if not thousands across both regions and demographics. Ive never seen felt or heard of any animosity related to the Civil War except talks about reparations. Even that topic doesn't inspire much of an emotional response.

People have their 21st-century stuff going on to worry about. The South is generally satisfied with kicking azz in college football.

We have other issues that divide us beyond 160-year-old events, it's that same type of emotional histrionics that fuels the BS in the Middle East

America doesn't have time for that crap

a reply to: putnam6

well said.

the OP seems to be constantly trying to stir up sh@@ by constantly dragging a dark page from this countries past that has nothing what so ever to do with today's society no matter what the give me's say or want. that's just wanting to get paid.

it's just as pitiful as the we are the greatest and every body else sucks threads that seem to be posted repeatedly.

a reply to: TheMichiganSwampBuck

damn good song, i think we should hear it. as elton john said drummers ought not sing unless their Levon Helm.

No one should forget what happened. If they do, it could happen again. The reasons for the Civil War are more complex than just slavery. While we should remember, we also should put that behind us in the past as other more important matters are in the present. Nothing can be done about what was done, no matter ones personal feelings about it.

Like mentined already, the way it is worded in the op reads more to reopen the wounds but could be from curiosity.

From my experience, 20 or 30 years ago, all Americans were closer to forgetting our differences. Now they bring them up make money and have power by having groups angry at each other.

Race or origin should not matter, just the character of the individual.

I totally expect the GOP under trump to implement Project 25. Many will not bow to that treason.

originally posted by: lilzazz
I totally expect the GOP under trump to implement Project 25. Many will not bow to that treason.

I do lean conservative fiscally but socially I lean left, this is the first Im hearing of Project 25.

Would love to hear your thoughts, after looking at the website it sounds generally like nothing but a PAC action plan,
ie rally donors for money.

FWIW politics makes for strange bedfellows, ask the progressives if they are happy with Biden, JRB made lots of promises he didn't end up keeping or even pushing. ergo he told them what he needed to, for thier vote.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: lilzazz
I totally expect the GOP under trump to implement Project 25. Many will not bow to that treason.

I do lean conservative fiscally but socially I lean left, this is the first Im hearing of Project 25.

Would love to hear your thoughts, after looking at the website it sounds generally like nothing but a PAC action plan,
ie rally donors for money.

FWIW politics makes for strange bedfellows, ask the progressives if they are happy with Biden, JRB made lots of promises he didn't end up keeping or even pushing. ergo he told them what he needed to, for thier vote.

I see Project 25 as a GOP attempt at social engineering with an emphasis on Evangelical Christianity and all that it entails.

www.project2025.org...

Typical GOP Heritage foundation attempt at trashing the constitution in favor of religious control imo.

originally posted by: lilzazz

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: lilzazz
I totally expect the GOP under trump to implement Project 25. Many will not bow to that treason.

I do lean conservative fiscally but socially I lean left, this is the first Im hearing of Project 25.

Would love to hear your thoughts, after looking at the website it sounds generally like nothing but a PAC action plan,
ie rally donors for money.

FWIW politics makes for strange bedfellows, ask the progressives if they are happy with Biden, JRB made lots of promises he didn't end up keeping or even pushing. ergo he told them what he needed to, for thier vote.

I see Project 25 as a GOP attempt at social engineering with an emphasis on Evangelical Christianity and all that it entails.

www.project2025.org...

Typical GOP Heritage foundation attempt at trashing the constitution in favor of religious control imo.

Which always fails,


Republicans are no different from Democrats in this aspect, each now has a fractured party, with tendrils attached to special interest groups

It seems we have approximately 30% Democrat 30% Republican and both sides have their extreme factions within the party.
the Dems Progressives and the Reps evangelicals

the remaining 40% of America is independent and is stuck trying to figure out WITH to vote for.

Seriously the 40% are tired of what seems to be doom porn on every difference each party's platform has.

Id be willing to wager Project 25 moves the needle among the left, than it does with the 40% Independents, and 20% of the solid Republicans

originally posted by: putnam6
Respectfully

Born and raised in the Deep South and I've traveled all over the Southeast and lots of the Northeast and upper Mid West. I have talked with hundreds if not thousands across both regions and demographics. Ive never seen felt or heard of any animosity related to the Civil War except talks about reparations. Even that topic doesn't inspire much of an emotional response.

People have their 21st-century stuff going on to worry about. The South is generally satisfied with kicking azz in college football.

We have other issues that divide us beyond 160-year-old events, it's that same type of emotional histrionics that fuels the BS in the Middle East

America doesn't have time for that crap

You are being a little disingenuous.

Some places still want their community to run like what the rank-and-file of the South may have wanted: a protectionist kingdom.

They may tell you if asked that they need to be on guard against genocide because look at that Civil War, despite the fact that the South started shooting and the shooting stopped as soon as they laid down their arms.

They seem to propose to be on guard against genocide by keeping their own in charge. I don't know that there's a place to check whether the Antebellum-staffed South runs like a DEI corporation but it might.

Their thinking is corrupting various minority groups who no longer want equal treatment. They want set-asides and entitlements.