The pros and cons of the unconstitutional gag order

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Annee

Annee, can you show me where in the Constitution it is illegal to be a Carnival Barker?

You made me laugh.

I had a narcissistic brother — total Trump supporter.

Because it’s what I grew up with — I’m not fooled by it. I see right through it.

a reply to: chr0naut

Can you name a case where ONLY the defendant in a trial was gagged?

Why weren’t Lucky Luciano or John Gotti gagged in their own trials in manhattan?

You keep saying Trump isn’t special but evidence shows he’s special enough to be singled out for a gag order.
You should ask yourself why that is.
There’s an election in November, in case that helps.

a reply to: Annee

There is only one Carnival Barker on the planet bigger than Trump and that is Gene Simmons.

My point is where is it illegal to be an asshole? Even that is protected according to the SCOTUS.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: chr0naut

Can you name a case where ONLY the defendant in a trial was gagged?

Why weren’t Lucky Luciano or John Gotti gagged in their own trials in manhattan?

You keep saying Trump isn’t special but evidence shows he’s special enough to be singled out for a gag order.
You should ask yourself why that is.
There’s an election in November, in case that helps.

I don't know. I do know that they sequestered the jury for the first time due to Gotti's jury tampering and intimidation that had been revealed about his earlier trials. They were also denied bail, and so could not really 'go to the press' all the time, like Trump has.

But I do know that the election in November and Trump's candidacy should not be factors in the court case which must impartially try the case no matter who is on trial.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Annee

There is only one Carnival Barker on the planet bigger than Trump and that is Gene Simmons.

My point is where is it illegal to be an asshole? Even that is protected according to the SCOTUS.

LOL

I recognize Trump for what he is because I grew up with a similar personality.

My brother used to get furious with me because he had no power over me.

People are being conned and completely oblivious to it.

Let’s just say Carnival Barker can easily cross the line to conman.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Annee

There is only one Carnival Barker on the planet bigger than Trump and that is Gene Simmons.

My point is where is it illegal to be an asshole? Even that is protected according to the SCOTUS.

LOL

I recognize Trump for what he is because I grew up with a similar personality.

My brother used to get furious with me because he had no power over me.

People are being conned and completely oblivious to it.

Let’s just say Carnival Barker can easily cross the line to conman.

We know.

We see those results every time the con artist Democrats start flapping their lips.

a reply to: network dude

No cons in the short term. Just benefits.

a reply to: chr0naut

You don’t know because you can’t find one.
It’s unprecedented gagging only a defendant in a case.
As you’ve admitted, John Gotti, head of the mob, wasn’t even gagged in his own criminal case EVEN AFTER JURY TAMPERING.
Trump surely looks special now.
Gigantic red flashing lights and sirens says something’s not right.
If you can’t see or hear them then the problem can be found in your nearest mirror.

But I do know that the election in November and Trump's candidacy should not be factors in the court case which must impartially try the case no matter who is on trial.

Trumps candidacy should not be a factor, true.
Those bad actors (DA Bragg and co, slimy judge merchan, DOJ) have made it known that it is indeed a factor.
They just haven’t outright come out and said it.
Just look at the their actions.
How can they profess to be impartial when they’ve done everything they can to violate Trump’s due process and 1st amendment rights?
Trump has many ways to appeal this kangaroo court decision, thanks to those corrupt political jerks.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

This thread exists because some people cannot understand that their hero has legitimately been tried and found guilty, and that his random false accusations are contrary to an unprejudiced and fair trial.

you didn't read the OP did you? It's a shame seeing how proud you are of thinking you are a smart person. Oh well, it's not like I thought it would be different this time. DERP on sir.

My previous post was referring specifically to you. The person who posted the OP. And, that I did read the OP, is obvious by my responses to it.

You consistently claim that others are ignorant rather than address the specifics of the actual topics, don't you? Perhaps because you do not critically evaluate the opinions of others that align with yours, and which you re-post with little new content?

no, this thread exists because I was bringing the idea that the Gag order on Trump was actually helping him, while everyone was super upset about it's unconstitutionality. That was what the OP was about. Read it again. That's why I claim you aren't being smart, just wordy and wrong. as usual.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: chr0naut

You don’t know because you can’t find one.
It’s unprecedented gagging only a defendant in a case.
As you’ve admitted, John Gotti, head of the mob, wasn’t even gagged in his own criminal case EVEN AFTER JURY TAMPERING.
Trump surely looks special now.
Gigantic red flashing lights and sirens says something’s not right.
If you can’t see or hear them then the problem can be found in your nearest mirror.

But I do know that the election in November and Trump's candidacy should not be factors in the court case which must impartially try the case no matter who is on trial.

Trumps candidacy should not be a factor, true.
Those bad actors (DA Bragg and co, slimy judge merchan, DOJ) have made it known that it is indeed a factor.
They just haven’t outright come out and said it.
Just look at the their actions.
How can they profess to be impartial when they’ve done everything they can to violate Trump’s due process and 1st amendment rights?
Trump has many ways to appeal this kangaroo court decision, thanks to those corrupt political jerks.

“Chicago Eight” defendant Bobby Seale gagged during his trial

Trump would not stop defaming court officers in his trial. He was warned, did it anyway, and was fined for contempt of court and a gag order was placed on him specifically. No-one else in the trial was defaming court officers.

Trump claimed that the judge and prosecution were not following proper legal procedure and were corrupt even at the jury selection, when no-one had yet put their case. His defence was primarily on the grounds that his imagined Constitutional rights were being abused, probably because the objective evidence for the prosecution was unarguable and was a slam-dunk.

He was unanimously found guilty of all counts by the jury after a very short recess.

It would be a nonsense to think that Trump was the sole managing director in charge of his companies and simultaneously that he also had no idea what his companies were doing. The signed paperwork, recordings and testimony all showed that Trump authorised the payments and also wanted them to be hidden, and when they became public knowledge, he was still denying them.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

This thread exists because some people cannot understand that their hero has legitimately been tried and found guilty, and that his random false accusations are contrary to an unprejudiced and fair trial.

you didn't read the OP did you? It's a shame seeing how proud you are of thinking you are a smart person. Oh well, it's not like I thought it would be different this time. DERP on sir.

My previous post was referring specifically to you. The person who posted the OP. And, that I did read the OP, is obvious by my responses to it.

You consistently claim that others are ignorant rather than address the specifics of the actual topics, don't you? Perhaps because you do not critically evaluate the opinions of others that align with yours, and which you re-post with little new content?

no, this thread exists because I was bringing the idea that the Gag order on Trump was actually helping him, while everyone was super upset about it's unconstitutionality. That was what the OP was about. Read it again. That's why I claim you aren't being smart, just wordy and wrong. as usual.

I think that Trump's talk of 'retribution' against everyone are threats that will not be taken lightly by the judge. Trump may get into power and not follow through, like last time, or he may go full-on Stalin, but I think it is a case of Trump with his foot in his mouth, well up above the knee.

a reply to: chr0naut

Yes, Orang man Bad, got it. So, as the topic of the OP has been fully realized now that you read it, do you think the gag order helps him, or hurts him? Or do you just want to talk about what you want regardless of the topic?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: chr0naut

Yes, Orang man Bad, got it. So, as the topic of the OP has been fully realized now that you read it, do you think the gag order helps him, or hurts him? Or do you just want to talk about what you want regardless of the topic?

Why do you insist on bringing everything down to a “pinpoint”?

I try to keep it simplistic — but it is a bit much to remove everything except a single, almost insignificant, pinpoint.

a reply to: chr0naut

" he may go full-on Stalin, "


We can Only Hope considering how the Liberal Communist Left has been trying to Destroy America since the End of 1945 . Treason is a SERIOUS Crime in a Free Country , and the Penalty for it is Just .

a reply to: chr0naut

“Chicago Eight” defendant Bobby Seale gagged during his trial

From your link….
Following several outbursts, the judge orders “Chicago Eight” defendant Bobby Seale gagged and chained to his chair during his trial.

Not even remotely similar.
Do better.
Do you even read your own links?
Care to try again?

Trump would not stop defaming court officers in his trial.

You say that yet Judge Merchan said Trump could say his peace about merchan and DA Bragg.
Those are the two biggest court officers there.
Your logic doesn’t work.
Why would the judge continue to let Trump “defame” him and Bragg?
Fact is Trump wasn’t defaming anybody.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: chr0naut

Yes, Orang man Bad, got it. So, as the topic of the OP has been fully realized now that you read it, do you think the gag order helps him, or hurts him? Or do you just want to talk about what you want regardless of the topic?

Even bad press keeps him in the news, and he has had a lot of bad press, but he's also generated a lot of bad press, even about numerous of his own staff and allies whom he has 'thrown under the bus'.

Trump weaponizes bad press, claiming that anything said against him is a 'witch hunt' and 'that he is being picked-on', and yet he unloads a lot of vindictive, unevidenced accusation against a lot of people. Even in this case, jurors, and officers of the court.

However, a portion of the public is aware of what the limited gag order (which isn't unconstitutional) means.

The gag order is limited and very specific to the court case, it protects officers of the court from pizzagate, Jan 6, and Sandy Hook type retribution against non-offenders. It also protects Trump from further contempt of court (which he, and his business holdings, clearly could never afford).

It would be important to note that the limited gag order hasn't stopped him from campaigning, or making other statements to media.

The limited gag order only bars Trump and his attorneys from attacking witnesses, prosecutors and others involved in the case, or from directing others to do so.

So, those who see the name "Trump" and no other words in a headline, will see this as good for Trump's candidacy. All others are astute enough to see it as yet another instance of him incriminating himself.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: chr0naut

“Chicago Eight” defendant Bobby Seale gagged during his trial

From your link….
Following several outbursts, the judge orders “Chicago Eight” defendant Bobby Seale gagged and chained to his chair during his trial.

Not even remotely similar.
Do better.
Do you even read your own links?
Care to try again?

Trump would not stop defaming court officers in his trial.

You say that yet Judge Merchan said Trump could say his peace about merchan and DA Bragg.
Those are the two biggest court officers there.
Your logic doesn’t work.
Why would the judge continue to let Trump “defame” him and Bragg?
Fact is Trump wasn’t defaming anybody.

The fact is that the gag order is specifically limited and was placed on Trump and his attorneys.

The judge and the prosecution have done everything by the book and have given Trump and his attorneys every opportunity to defend him against the charges.

Hmmmm.....so it does matter. They are lifting for the debate. Hmmm....wonder what Trump is going to have to defend against. LOL

www.cbsnews.com...

originally posted by: network dude
www.foxnews.com...

A New York appeals court on Tuesday kept in place a gag order on former President Trump, who asked the court to lift the ban on his speech after the recent guilty verdict in his unprecedented criminal trial.

Now that the trial has concluded and the former president and presumptive GOP nominee in the 2024 presidential election awaits sentencing next month, a legal expert says the gag order, which Judge Juan Merhcan has refused to lift, is "untethered from any compelling rationale."

"You have a local New York judge effectively limiting what the leading presidential candidate can say in the months leading up to an election," Jonathan Turley, practicing defense attorney and law professor, told Fox News Digital.

I'm sure the gag order upsets Trump, and it goes against his first amendment rights for it to be in place. His court case is over, and all that has to happen now is the sentencing. If Trump was allowed to speak about the case, the jury, the judge, his family, or whatever aspect of this he isn't allowed to speak of, he might likely give fuel to the fire when it comes to sentencing. So on that front, I think they are doing him a favor. He absolutely would run off at the mouth and say things that could be used to justify a difficult sentence from the corrupt judge.

But the constitutional rights are still a thing, and to continue the gag order past the trial just seems like a direct violation of the first amendment.

I don't know what mechanisms exist to enact true justice, if in fact it's found that the judge did the wrong thing for the wrong reasons, but I sure hope there is some. There needs to be repercussions for breaking the rules so egregiously. If there are no punishments, then this will continue to happen. And the fact that no punishments were served, will be a precedent used in the future to thwart the coming attacks on right wing political figures that we all know is coming. So to me, as of now, this whole thing looks to be working in Trump's favor, giving him both the fuel to scream about being treated unfairly, and the fact that it forces him to STFU at a time when he really should STFU, at least until after the judge gives a sentence.

Trump's Gag Order - An update: June 25, 2024

The illegal GAG order on former President Trump, related to the illegal Hush-money trial, was RELAXED a bit today by corrupt Judge Juan Merchan.

NEW YORK (AP) — A judge on Tuesday modified Donald Trump’s gag order, freeing the former president to comment publicly about witnesses and jurors in the hush money criminal trial that led to his felony conviction but keeping others connected to the case off limits at least until he’s sentenced July 11.

Judge Juan M. Merchan’s ruling — just days before Trump’s debate Thursday with President Joe Biden — clears the presumptive Republican nominee to again go on the attack against his former lawyer Michael Cohen, porn actor Stormy Daniels and other witnesses.

Full Story Here: apnews.com...

Exposing the main criminals, are still "Off limits". But Hochul, Bragg, Merchan, Letitia, Garland and Biden will still PAY DEARLY for their crimes against Trump and America, beginning 8 months from now. Guaranteed. 😎

originally posted by: matafuchs
Hmmmm.....so it does matter. They are lifting for the trial

www.cbsnews.com...

They know they screwed up and that gag order was unconstitutional.

Jack Smith is currently trying to gag Trump in the classified document case as well.
He’s using the false precedent of both NY cases where Trump was gagged as an argument. LoL
Jacks other argument for a gag order is the safety of fbi agents. 😆
These people are all corrupt clowns.🤡