For 75 Years Cultural Marxism Worked to Destroy American Patriotism

a reply to: Coelacanth55
You wrote:

to this day leftists are outraged when parents get involved in what's being taught at their kids schools.

My response: yes they are outraged because in Marxism there is a Desire to abolish the nuclear family unit and to create the superstate where the state owns the children and the children are brought up by the state to serve the needs of the state, which is always totalitarian. In Jonah Goldberg’s book “ Liberal Fascism,” he explains that it was Mussolini who coined the term “totalitarianism” even if it needed to spiral “benevolent.” And this is part of the control tactic, to make the totalitarian state appear benevolent while destroying the liberty of the populace, as well as their ability to make their own lives better through hard work. Redistribution of wealth has always been a part of that program, and they entice the people with promises of good things that are “free,” but nothing is ever free. Someone has to pay.
When they redistribute the wealth, they spend spend spend, creating these out of control bureaucratic programs which are unsustainable and create hidden taxes through inflation and the printing of money and also make debt shaves out if the people. It is Big Government in bed with Big banks.

originally posted by: BingoMcGoof Marxism cannot work within a Capitalist system simply because if it did, IT WOULD BECOME CAPITALIST.

The point was, Marxists can function in a capitalist society. Or else I guess Karl Marx's England was Marxist?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Solvedit

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ScarletDarkness
Of course, for these 'cultural Marxists' to have been doing all this really nasty and controlling stuff, so successfully, for decades, it makes you wonder why no-one in charge didn't just stop it.

What country do you think we live in? Who would do such a thing?

A country where the ultimate measure of everything is currency.

A country where 'healthcare' is a codeword for 'insurance premiums' and 'fascism' is now a meaningless term, and affection for symbols, brands, flags and slogans has replaced humanity.

A country that incarcerates more people than anywhere else in the world (although its crime rate is actually medium), and where in direct contravention, they act like they have more liberty and freedom than anywhere else.

A country where lies are protected as free speech (as soon as someone claims free speech, you can be sure that what they are doing must be unethical, immoral, criminal, and/or perverted).

A country where people have killed others for nothing but that their victims are different in some way, and the firearms are easily available, and they just felt like it, and the rest of society just makes excuses and is incapable of actions towards changing the situation and protecting itself from the next one along.

A country where fiscal balance, duty of care, and equity are denigrated as 'leftism' by those who espouse violence, totalitarian conformity, and privilege.

A country where political division, threat of armed insurrection, and distrust of a Constitutionally limited and law-abiding government is called 'patriotism'.

That country. The USA.

What you're badly mixed up about is not everyone wants the things you say we don't have. It is not because there is political repression. Then you go on to say "political division...is called 'patriotism' " ???

Every sentence you typed could be answered with "we're allowed."

a reply to: chr0naut

the whole Bible is Jesus. if you want to discuss this we can start a thread in the religious section.

as for 'right wing', today's pundits don't seem to accept 'conservative' any more. everyone is either 'moderate left' or 'far right wing'. as far as these (cultural) Marxists are concerned, Bible values are right wing.

originally posted by: Coelacanth55
a reply to: chr0naut

the whole Bible is Jesus. if you want to discuss this we can start a thread in the religious section.

Since Jesus was the Creator, and was with God, and was God, the whole universe is Jesus (except we have fallen due to our sinful nature). However, I was talking specifically about the teachings of Jesus. The whole Bible may be about Jesus, but His teachings are specific, recorded in the Gospels and Revelation.

as for 'right wing', today's pundits don't seem to accept 'conservative' any more.

If the right-wing is 'conservative' that would logically make the extremist right-wing 'extremist conservatives' which is a nonsensical contradiction.

Conservative is just a label because the more moderate right-wingers are just a phase in radicalization towards the full extremism of the ideology. Right-wing views are highly divisive, classifying everything in 'us-and-them' terms, assumptive of some sort of privilege over 'them' others, and therefore based upon selfishness and calling for action to assert the rights of privilege.

everyone is either 'moderate left' or 'far right wing'. as far as these (cultural) Marxists are concerned, Bible values are right wing.

No. Right-wing ideology is not Christian. It is very 'worldly' and populist. Historically, it has been more evil than good.

At the core of right-wing ideology is ultra-nationalism, which has been, and still is, used to justify and drive all sorts of bigotry and racism.

The NAZIs were right-wing. The Italian Fascists were right-wing, the Franco government was right-wing. The skinhead thugs and gangs of Europe are right-wing. In the USA, all those Neo-NAZI groups are right-wing.

Far-Right Groups Are Behind Most U.S. Terrorist Attacks, Report Finds

Far-right politics

Do you see the extreme right-wing as extreme Christianity? No, they are the other guys, who weaponize jingoistic religiosity as a tool for radicalization.

In Jesus day, the Pharisees and Sadducees were quite right-wing. The disciples left their jobs and followed a homeless Middle-Eastern man who espoused some very 'lefty' values such as abandoning acquisitiveness and even family to follow a higher moral and spiritual path, sharing everything with others, selflessness, being repentant about past sins, and forgiveness of those who have wronged you.

I consider Christian values to be normal and mainstream.

its these cultural Marxists and progressives calling them right wing.

a reply to: Solvedit

Marx was buried in Hampstead cemetery. Now, that is a Marxist plot.

originally posted by: Coelacanth55
I consider Christian values to be normal and mainstream.

its these cultural Marxists and progressives calling them right wing.

Some allegedly 'Christian values', aren't actually Christian, but are based in both traditions and the legalistic practices and prejudices that ultimately crucified Jesus.

I am sure that attendees of the Westboro Baptist Church hold that they represent exactly the same 'Christian' values.

a reply to: SolveditSure, h e was studying and living in England but he wasn't practicing Marxism because then, there was no Marxism yet.

originally posted by: BingoMcGoof
a reply to: SolveditSure, h e was studying and living in England but he wasn't practicing Marxism because then, there was no Marxism yet.

Do you have to practice Marxism in order to agitate for Marxism? The thread's about supporters of Marxism working to destroy American patriotism. "For 75 Years Cultural Marxism Worked to Destroy American Patriotism"

a reply to: Solvedit

Do you have to practice Marxism in order to agitate for Marxism?

How do you "agitate" for something??? Is that like when you want Marxism, you like spin back and forth really rapidly until you throw your back out, and then Marxism shows up? Wow! Who knew!

If I would have known that I would have 'advocated' for Capitalism around the globe a long time ago!!

a reply to: Solvedit

My point in this thread is not that the Russian covert plans did not have an influence on American culture, just that there were other influences as well that I attempted to elaborate upon. You seem to reject those other influences as meaningless. I made this point as well, that if that is your desire to see our current cultural metamorphosis as only the result of covert Marxist influence then I can see no reason to carry this conversation on any further.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Coelacanth55
I consider Christian values to be normal and mainstream.

its these cultural Marxists and progressives calling them right wing.

Some allegedly 'Christian values', aren't actually Christian, but are based in both traditions and the legalistic practices and prejudices that ultimately crucified Jesus.

I am sure that attendees of the Westboro Baptist Church hold that they represent exactly the same 'Christian' values.

lol 'Westboro Baptist' complete outlier that nobody in the Christian community supports
do you judge Islam based on al-Qaeda?

a reply to: Coelacanth55

You won't find Jihadist, outside of Islam.

Have you read the Koran?

I have, and jihadi are not following their own doctrine.
They're extremist who murder other Muslims and any body.

All jihadi are Muslim, not all Muslim are Jihadist.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Coelacanth55
I consider Christian values to be normal and mainstream.

its these cultural Marxists and progressives calling them right wing.

Some allegedly 'Christian values', aren't actually Christian, but are based in both traditions and the legalistic practices and prejudices that ultimately crucified Jesus.

I am sure that attendees of the Westboro Baptist Church hold that they represent exactly the same 'Christian' values.

But this is true of just about every religion, not just Christianity and Islam. I am not aware of any religion which doesn't have some subset of churches/members who identify with that religion while at the same time holding some extreme interpretations of the parent church's doctrine. Mormons, Catholics, Islamic, Jewish, Buddhist, Shinto, and/or all the 'Orthodox' derivatives, etc. are just but a few examples of many.

I guess I'm not following your point.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Coelacanth55
I consider Christian values to be normal and mainstream.

its these cultural Marxists and progressives calling them right wing.

Some allegedly 'Christian values', aren't actually Christian, but are based in both traditions and the legalistic practices and prejudices that ultimately crucified Jesus.

I am sure that attendees of the Westboro Baptist Church hold that they represent exactly the same 'Christian' values.

But this is true of just about every religion, not just Christianity and Islam. I am not aware of any religion which doesn't have some subset of churches/members who identify with that religion while at the same time holding some extreme interpretations of the parent church's doctrine. Mormons, Catholics, Islamic, Jewish, Buddhist, Shinto, and/or all the 'Orthodox' derivatives, etc. are just but a few examples of many.

I guess I'm not following your point.

Jesus said don't judge others lest you be judged, and also do not worry about the speck in someone else's eye when there is a log of wood in your own.

Many of the alleged 'Christian values' the right-wing use are particularly judgemental (and often very hypocritical, too) in the way they are applied.

For the wages of sin is death. That's for all sins - the same punishment. We can't choose a couple and say they are worse than other sins.

One of those sins, which is just as bad as any other sin, is "bearing false witness". When someone accuses someone else falsely (i.e: without objective proof, beyond a reasonable doubt) then they are committing a mortal sin.

You know when, say, someone published or says stuff about, say, some family themed pizza restaurant accusing them of crimes that they had no proof of, and that is provably untrue. That false accuser is as guilty as a homosexual, or a paedophile or a murderer.

Lies aren't protected free-speech. They are against God's law and against common law, and too many on the right-wing throw baseless accusations around, too glibly.

If someone is claiming free-speech these days, you can be fairly sure that whatever they are claiming it about, is immoral, unethical and probably criminal, too.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Solvedit

Do you have to practice Marxism in order to agitate for Marxism?

How do you "agitate" for something??? Is that like when you want Marxism, you like spin back and forth really rapidly until you throw your back out, and then Marxism shows up? Wow! Who knew!

If I would have known that I would have 'advocated' for Capitalism around the globe a long time ago!!

Forgive a guy.

When you told me off on page 1, I had been obsessing a bit on the thread and enjoying a little too much coffee, and it was easy to imagine that some Communist jihadi would start persecuting me and imagining how I would answer. For some reason, I thought of you saying "a lot of my people depend on this stuff." It made me feel like everyone was on the same page about the psychic rapport even though it was clearly in my imagination and you are clearly not a Communist Jihadist.

Once again, sorry if I was unclear.

a reply to: Solvedit

I was just teasing you. I knew it was a typo. Just thought it was kind of funny, so I commented.

You're good.