A massive epiphany

I finnaly think I understand WHY there is so much opposition to the political outsider. I'll use Trump as the example,

There is no future in solutions. Solutions are right now. Then they go away, and so does the problem. If the problem goes away, so do all those who are paid to fix the problem. Keep that in your head.

Trump comes in and uses (out of the box) thinking, and starts to get some things done. Regardless of what you feel about anything he did or didn't do, the one thing he didn't know, is that you aren't supposed to actually fix things, or you will remove the ability for many to profit. And they will fight to keep that going with all they have. NGO's. Fix the border? Just think of how many people would stop getting paid.

I was thinking it was cartel's owning the DERP's who would sell their nation for a few bucks. But this is so much bigger.

And no, I'm not suicidal. Have a nice day.

I remember Mr. Limbaugh pointing out that certain cities have had Democrat mayors and councils for decades, and no problem ever gets solved.

politicians are good at creating programs that employ more politicians, but never really fix anything.

originally posted by: Coelacanth55
I remember Mr. Limbaugh pointing out that certain cities have had Democrat mayors and councils for decades, and no problem ever gets solved.

politicians are good at creating programs that employ more politicians, but never really fix anything.

I don't think this one is a partisan issue, but I do see your point. I think greed is universal.

Yep. Much the same as it seems how the medical industry operates. There's a lot more money in treating the slow progression of terminal diseases than there is in curing them.

And roads. Definitely don't want to create a next generation of asphalt that lasts forever. There's a ton of money to be fleeced by repaving all the roads every few years.

Gotta keep the problems going. It's a cash cow.

If one of their ideas doesn't work well, the Democrats have always thrown money at it hoping that way more money will fix a flop. It makes them look better if their ideas don't fail.

The Republicans do that too, but way less than the Democrats who have more liberal and progressive ideas most times. Republicans tend to do a little feasability study on whether it will work though, except of course the cities and counties when applying for money for projects. These areas also want federal money coming into their area, after all they have people there paying taxes too.

Grants need to be vetted properly, first thing is relevence, then need, and of course cost. Here in the U>P of Michigan they are putting in all sort of roundabouts, because that seems to be the new fad but they are high maintenance to plow and they get icy too. But the state would give them five million for a roundabout, but no money to just fix the roads there. At least they get Federal and state money returned to the area to fuel local jobs. So we now have a bunch of roundabouts that are not as good working as the old traffic lights. They could have reduced the speed limit coming up to the light on the highway to forty five, but they have rules that prohibit it...so from info I got from the county, they put in a roundabout which was funded. Of course, they put a forty five mph before that, but they could not put it before the intersection.

The people at the top of the state transportation regulating agency can't comprehend how much snow we got up here, they could reduce the speed a hundred feet in front of those highway intersections. So now we got roundabouts with just as many accidents on the intersection and sometimes when the highway is real busy, you can't get on the roundabout for a long time from the sides. I have spent five minutes waiting one time....what a joke.

So, a five million dollar roundabout replaces a need for a reduced speed forty five mile per hour sign, then they put a sign up when they put the roundabout in anyway.... I think maybe we should replace a lot of the top officials in government and government agencies and put people in there with common sense. The city roads are in need of repair and the state sticks in something we do not need and there is no money for what is needed.

a reply to: network dude

There is no future in solutions.

Bingo. The permanent Washington crowd has no desire whatsoever to solve problems. They talk a good game, and they sure like to use the "war" metaphor. War on drugs, war on poverty, war on terror, etc...

California's Gavin Newsom is a great example of this planned insanity.

a reply to: network dude

Nobody sees problems as challenges anymore?

I'm sure money and elitism will solve the social cohesion issue some day, any day now... The modern zeitgeist is boring because it's exactly the same as yesterday. That's to say, the next guy will fix it as long as we spend enough votes and print enough money.

Same story everywhere. Yes, I do believe the majority of issues stem from the lack of social cohesion.

You're not wrong. Usually if there is a huge push-back against someone or something that is good for the people, the establishment will fight like hell to stop it. That is why things like holistic medicine and such are vilified. There is no way to profit or control it so demonize it.

reply to: network dude

a reply to: caterpillage

And roads. Definitely don't want to create a next generation of asphalt that lasts forever. There's a ton of money to be fleeced by repaving all the roads every few years.

You got me started....

The street I grew up on, hasn't been redone in over 30 years. Lots of patches and pot holes.

Last year they redid it. It was nice and smooth.

For 3 weeks.

Then the city came in and made 3×3 holes in front of each house to replace gas valves.

The paving company is the one that gets the city contracts every year because it has the cheapest bids. Our main drag in town is resurfaced every year...not because of heavy use, it just falls apart.

I asked our new mayor why, we went to school together. He explained that to have a different company do the work would be 3x the cost of this company.

I tried to explain that 3x the cost 0ne year where they don't have to touch the road for the next 5 years is cheaper than doing it every year.

He told me that is not how it works in the real world. But he couldn't explain how it does work.

So then I asked if the fact that his wife's father is the owner of said company made a difference. He suddenly had a meeting he forgot about and escorted me to the door.

a reply to: theatreboy

Budgets...

Also, it's not what you know but who you know. It's always been that way.

a reply to: RAY1990

Yeah...I learned that the hard way.

a reply to: network dude

The problem with your analysis is that Trump and people like that who make grandiose promises don't actually create solutions, for the most part. If you recall, in 2016 he went around saying only he could fix things. That's what all scam artists want their low-information suckers to think.

Did he build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it? No, of course not. The part of the wall that he built was paid for out of US military funds. Did it solve the illegal immigration problem? No, of course not, it was falling apart before he left office and there were more border barrier breachings after he took office than before. He said he was going to get rid of Obamacare and replace it with something "terrific". Did he "solve" that problem? No, of course not--Obamacare is still in place and more popular than ever. Every couple of weeks he said he was going to fix the crumbling infrastructure. Did he do that? No, of course not. It takes cooperation, planning, and bipartisan work to put a plan like that in place. That's why Biden was able to get a 1 Trillion dollar infrastructure act in place and Trump wasn't. Trump said he was going to put a cap on Insulin costs, but he tried to do it with an executive order which meant it only affected a tiny fraction of the population. Biden got it done for all Medicare recipients as part of the bipartisan Infrastructure act. Trump was going to use his personal charm on Kim Jung Un into not being a nuclear threat to us. Did that happen? Of course not. After exchanging a few love letters, he's still building nuclear warheads and firing off missiles in our general direction. Trump was going to get tough with China and bring jobs back to the US. Did he do that? Of course not. Remember that Foxconn plant in Wisconsin that Trump started that was supposed to bring manufacturing jobs back to the midwest? It dried up within a year or two as soon as Trump turned his attention to the next shiny object. Meanwhile, the CHIPs act which was another one of those bipartisan bills Biden was able to get passed allowed Microsoft to invest 3.3 billion in a high-tech center at the same location where the Foxconn fiasco happened and will actually bring jobs back. He pulled the US out of the Nuclear deal with Iran and was going to "replace it with something better". Did he do that? Of course not. By the time he took office Iran had moved 90+% of its weapons grade Uranium out of the country, destroyed a similar fraction of their enrichment centrifuges, and modified their reactor so that it couldn't produce Plutonium. Iran was considered to be at least a year away from breakout ability to produce a weapon at that point in time. By the time he left office he had totally destroyed that progress and put Iran back on track to a one-month breakout capability. Did he come up with "something better"? Don't make me laugh. Did the trickle down tax plan that he signed into law in 2017 actually trickle down? Of course not. It never does and it's been tried many times in the last 100 years or so. The wealth divide between the haves and have-nots got wider and the deficit spending went up (predictably) as a result of that bill.

That's what out-of-the-box thinking often gets you--sound and fury signifying nothing.

a reply to: network dude

AKA the pharmaceutical industry as a comparison?

a reply to: network dude

CONGRATULATIONS

You have landed, on one, if not THE, major realization anyone in this modern world can realize, that is that this entire ugly situation we find ourselves within is the insane machinations that are undertaken to maintain this God-forsaken capitalist system that both major political parties sell their souls for.

a reply to: network dude

We've lost the war on;
Poverty
Homelessness
Drug abuse
etc.


It's my lightbulb theory. When they first invented lightbulbs, they made them so well that people didn't need to buy replacements. So all the lightbulb manufacturers got together and decided to make cheaper lightbulbs that didn't work as well so people would buy more.

Take the Dept. of Education. Once that was initiated, scores actually dropped.

The Dept. of Ed. has actually hurt education.

This is not done by accident.

Big Pharma never looks for cures. Cures don't make money.

Instead, they look for never-ending treatments.

a reply to: Boomer1947

Dude's realization as I described it above, leaves the clear realization that all Trump was doing was skimming the froth from the death knell of this system and claiming he had produced any thing at all.

a reply to: Boomer1947

Your problem is you don't seem to understand metaphors and the nonsense of "Literals" 😃

a reply to: network dude

I dont really know what all Trump did or didn't do but yes I figured this out awhile ago. Congress like to make it seem like they're really working hard there in Washington but we see how many days they actually work. They're salaried though so what do they care? They can work 5 minutes or 40 hours it all pays them the same.

Its like in medicine. Cure cancer and thats billions of dollars in chemotherapy gone for these pharma companies, oncologists out of work or having to retrain. Whole specialized cancer centers employing lots of staff, closed. Way less work for radiologists or whoever does the MRIs and stuff. There are incentives. Hell even books written about cancer diets or cancer preventative stuff out the window then.

With the border you have an entire industry dedicated to the people coming across. Of course there's no incentive to fix it and plenty of upside when like I said in a different comment these corporations can pay them 7.50 an hour whereas an American would want 12 or 15 an hour for the same work.

a reply to: Boomer1947

So, how did Trump mess up the FoxxConn deal? He used it as an example of jobs coming back, sure, but they FoxxConn did not hold up their end of the bargin.

Foxconn originally promised to build a Generation 10.5 facility that would manufacture large LCD screens. The project was to be an investment of up to $10 billion that would deliver up to 13,000 jobs. The state legislature passed a $2.85 billion tax incentive package that required Foxconn to meet certain hiring and capital investment benchmarks during the next 10 years in order to receive the tax credits. The company also received a $150 million break in sales taxes, bringing the total state package to $3 billion. But the company pivoted away from the large screens and the 13,000 jobs never materialized. Instead, about 1,000 workers are now at the site assembling servers and other electronic products.

Microsoft purchased some land. FoxxConn still exists. But, what your tirade shows, is that you will listen to whatever bad is said about Trump and blame him. The Propaganda is working on many, not all, but many.

He is an outsider and always will be. He calls out the BS

originally posted by: Coelacanth55
I remember Mr. Limbaugh pointing out that certain cities have had Democrat mayors and councils for decades, and no problem ever gets solved.

politicians are good at creating programs that employ more politicians, but never really fix anything.

" Government "is NEVER there to Help Out or Fix Things . Their Only Concern is Job Security .......