Homeless vs Illegals

I dont know how bad it is where everyone else lives but I am in Oklahoma and over the past decade or so the illegal population has gotten way out of hand. You cannot go into a store without hearing people speaking spanish and while I am not putting people down for where they come from it is becoming more and more the norm. There are times when I feel that I am a minority in whatever location i am in and we have certain parts of our city looking like Mexico and flying mexican flags everywhere and 50 food trucks in a parking lot. And to be honest it irritates me because if your country was so great maybe you should have stayed in that country. Otherwise stop flying that flag and love the country you are in. But that is another topic all together...

Now with that said at the same time the homeless population of people living under bridges, in tent cities, all along the roadways and begging on street corners has gone up and and up and up. My wife and kids ask why and I have tried to explain to them and I honestly think a lot of people dont think about this but before we had all of these millions of illegals here, someone did the jobs they were doing. Someone did the roadwork, the labor jobs, the mowing and lawn jobs, the tree services. Americans were doing those jobs. Were they great jobs? No but a lot of these people were already transient types or unreliable people that maybe made some poor life decisions. They did jobs that allowed them to maybe get drunk every night or be an alcoholic and not have to show up super sharp to work. But those jobs got done. Now that all the illegals are here and mostly working under the table or for a much lower wage the homeless people have no jobs to apply for. They arent exactly prepared for office jobs or jobs that you need a resume. Maybe people are not putting two and two together on this but there is a direct relation between 19 million illegals and the huge spike in the homeless population and I refuse to call them "people experiencing homelessness". Our media is dead set on making every situation sound nicer.

The media will avoid linking mass immigration and homelessness among citizens at all costs.

a reply to: TheTardis2

Both the homeless and illegal populations have risen drastically over the last 20 years, by design.

Biden did a rally near me a few months back. The disgusting thing is how both populations disappeared off the streets 2 days before arrival and were back as soon as Air Force One departed.

So they can help the homeless when the president comes to town so the city looks good? But screw it the rest of the time?

It seems like people care only when they are being watched.

As for illegals...it is an invasion meant to destroy America. Send them back home.

Here is my illegals question....

America, we are told by the left, is full of racism, bigotry and homophobic. Why in the heck would anybody want to come here?

And you can't tell me that all these millions of people from over 150 countries are ALL persecuted.

And quite honestly, if the above sentence is true, why are we changing to become more like the banana republics they came from?

All net jobs created during the current regime have gone to immigrants, legal and illegal.

a reply to: TheTardis2

Are you equally irritated by those that speak a different accent or have a different type of slang? Like those from Boston or Louisiana?

Agreed, the population of homeless and those in poverty really should be the priority.

originally posted by: EndTime
a reply to: TheTardis2

Are you equally irritated by those that speak a different accent or have a different type of slang? Like those from Boston or Louisiana?

Agreed, the population of homeless and those in poverty really should be the priority.

If you are trying to paint me as a biggot dont. I am neither a racist, or biggot. Simply pointing out that we are in America and as a young person when you heard someone speaking a foreign language it was an oddity and interesting. Now it is just the norm and whole areas are becoming other countries.

One of the biggest issues with homelessness is society's shift towards complete, 100%, risk aversion. Younger generations today are unwilling to take risks, they are almost totally risk averse. I'm not sure if this translates into a lack of willingness to work, or if it's the other way around, but either way it's still a risk aversion issue.

Take the housing crisis for example. Not a day goes by where I don't hear some moaning about how expensive housing is, and how "nobody" can afford it, yet at the same time there is a housing boom all around like I haven't seen since the early 80's. So, who's buying all these properties?? Sure, some are people moving from one house to a newer one, but this doesn't fill the net gain gap.

If people are choosing to be homeless because they refuse to get a job, or if they refused to be tied to a 20-30 year mortgage and this was why they choose not to get a job, then that's not the taxpayer's problem, that's their problem.

We have had hundreds of high paying job openings where I work which have gone unfilled for years. These jobs are not minimum wage jobs, they're high (5) to (6) figure jobs, both at the skilled trade and professional levels. There are literally thousands of open skilled trades jobs in the Colorado area right now. We're having to import workers from out of state to fill what positions we can, but still can't keep up. People just don't want to work.

This "noize" about there being no jobs, or only jobs at McDonald's is total BS. Everyplace I go there are help wanted signs.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
One of the biggest issues with homelessness is society's shift towards complete, 100%, risk aversion. Younger generations today are unwilling to take risks, they are almost totally risk averse. I'm not sure if this translates into a lack of willingness to work, or if it's the other way around, but either way it's still a risk aversion issue.

Take the housing crisis for example. Not a day goes by where I don't hear some moaning about how expensive housing is, and how "nobody" can afford it, yet at the same time there is a housing boom all around like I haven't seen since the early 80's. So, who's buying all these properties?? Sure, some are people moving from one house to a newer one, but this doesn't fill the net gain gap.

If people are choosing to be homeless because they refuse to get a job, or if they refused to be tied to a 20-30 year mortgage and this was why they choose not to get a job, then that's not the taxpayer's problem, that's their problem.

We have had hundreds of high paying job openings where I work which have gone unfilled for years. These jobs are not minimum wage jobs, they're high (5) to (6) figure jobs, both at the skilled trade and professional levels. There are literally thousands of open skilled trades jobs in the Colorado area right now. We're having to import workers from out of state to fill what positions we can, but still can't keep up. People just don't want to work.

This "noize" about there being no jobs, or only jobs at McDonald's is total BS. Everyplace I go there are help wanted signs.

I too have seen tons of housing going in but in my area its in the form of apartments and also a change to many downtown high rise apartments. I think they are looking at making everyone renters and not home owners. Even in my area I am pinned down to where i live. The prices have gone up to a point where even if I were to sell my house I would be forced to buy another at a much inflated value. Granted my current house is inflated now.

As far as jobs. I dont feel like most of these homeless we have here are the ones who refuse to apply for your high paying jobs. They are more the types that would have been doing road construction or basic manufacturing. Doing the low paying dirty jobs. I dont for one minute believe the homeless problem is because educated people are refusing to apply for high paying jobs. I dont hear anyone around here choosing to be homeless because they dont want high paying jobs. I think the jobs they use to do are being filled by cheaper labor that doesnt require benefits when they are employed.

originally posted by: EndTime

Are you equally irritated by those that speak a different accent or have a different type of slang? Like those from Boston or Louisiana?

Louisiana, no. Boston, yes.

It's spelled Worcester, people. It should be pronounced WAR-chess-ter, not WOO-ster. A cute little redhead told me she lived in Wooster and I couldn't find it on a map. She points it out to me, and I said, "That's Warchester", and she laughed at me.

People that call it Wooster make me want to pahk my cah so fah from the bah.

On a side note, never play Trivial Pursuit with a drunk in a Bostonian bar. They will steamroll you. Especially in Sports, Literature, and History.

a reply to: TheTardis2

Well some people say "nobody wants to do those jobs" but reality is someone will do them. Nobody wants to deal with poop thats why plumbers make good money. The question i have is why do they want to hire a particular group over another? Its gotta be lower wages right? I mean not even illegally low, but say 7.50/hour vs. Maybe 12 or 15 you'd have to pay an American for the same job. You have to pay that much to an American because ok I live in a heavy immigrant state and they do have many many roommates help support they all band together and help each other afford stuff. Americans generally don't have that lifestyle. Of course they do that because they want to be in America but I see videos on YouTube all the time of american people complaining "oh this janky job only wanna pay me 12 an hour im not even gonna take the offer" and I dont understand that because 12 is better than 0 right? 12 is a dominos pizza for dinner and an opportunity to move up and excel in something no matter how trivial. But they dont even want it. They want zero and to sit on the couch doing nothing. Because 12 or 15 is insulting to them. Who has I have skills and experience and I can't even set a random crazy high number for my work. It doesn't work that way. Maybe it does but for very few people.

It does slightly bother me when they have been here for a few years and they do not even attempt to understand or learn any English whatsoever. And around here so many white and black people speak Spanish too they just assume you speak it. Annoying. I would not move to a foreign country and expect them to speak English because I can't learn their language after several years of living there. Silly.

It's exactly the same in the UK, but it's a double edged sword. One must keep in mind that the UK is vastly smaller than the US and the mass immigration (legal and illegal) is driving the shout for more houses. If there wasn't these immigrants there would be no housing shortage.
This is the scenario:- they are building Thousands of supposedly affordable houses. People on average wages could afford the repayments, but, what they can't afford is the very large deposits that mortgage people want for a start. So all these new houses are being snapped up by unknown money people.
The shortage comes because the property owner in the cities get loads more money of the government for housing immigrants so driving the native population out of the cities into these new builds. The very nasty thing about all this is all these new builds are being built on prime farm land and sooner rather than later we will have to import all our food.

a reply to: TheTardis2

I see what you have written under the title of "Homeless vs Illegals", but I didn't see this as a comparison/contrast-themed thread. I'm getting that you are seeing a cause-and-effect relationship between the two situations.

I prefer homeless bums, they are at least legal citizens. There have always been bums, illegals are affecting everyone.

a reply to: TheTardis2


I my self have seen a lot of this Ghost posting of jobs and there is No jobs....very odd

How Ghost Job Postings Are Creating A False Sense Of Hope - LINK - LINK2

Then you have good old Cali

California must pay feds $53M over 'improperly' claimed reimbursements for Noncitizens - LINK

California Has No Idea How Much Its Homeless Programs Are Costing, Audit Finds - LINK

originally posted by: Shoshanna
a reply to: TheTardis2

Well some people say "nobody wants to do those jobs" but reality is someone will do them. Nobody wants to deal with poop thats why plumbers make good money. The question i have is why do they want to hire a particular group over another? Its gotta be lower wages right? I mean not even illegally low, but say 7.50/hour vs. Maybe 12 or 15 you'd have to pay an American for the same job.

This is easy, First we are on a huge kick to make Americans want more money as in raising minimum wage so that right there is one easy reason that they dont want to hire some and I mean just some Americans. Some would work for very little money just to have a crap job that didnt care of they showed up hung over and smelling. But if they are Americans and have a real SSN they have to pay benefits and that does not just mean health insurance. Its expensive to hire a real employee. There are a lot of other factors that go into benefits like workmans comp insurance, taxes that must be paid and a lot of back end things that companies have to pay. If you are hiring an illegal and you can put them on as a contract employee forcing them to pay their own taxes and benefits which they are not going to do and still pay them that low wage its a huge savings for that company. They try to convince you that they are paying into society with taxes and spending but in reality they arent doing near as much as you think and in many cases they are sending a lot of their earnings back to mexico to find bringing more family here.

originally posted by: TheMichiganSwampBuck
a reply to: TheTardis2

I see what you have written under the title of "Homeless vs Illegals", but I didn't see this as a comparison/contrast-themed thread. I'm getting that you are seeing a cause-and-effect relationship between the two situations.

I prefer homeless bums, they are at least legal citizens. There have always been bums, illegals are affecting everyone.

Sorry for the confusion but you are correct. I wasn't sure how to word that comparison really but they both are filling the same role in several areas of society right now with very different consequences.

a reply to: TheTardis2

Are you in SW OKC? I know it has a very high Hispanic population. I’m on the N side of OKC and rarely hear people speaking Spanish.

I’ve lived in AZ, CA and CO and those states may as well be part of Mexico. The Latinos have pretty much taken over most of the trades in the construction industry in those states, happening in OK also.

a reply to: starvosan

If there were no immigrants, would there also be no homeless?

I think the homeless problem runs deeper than just simply saying, "They took our jobs."

Physical and mental illnesses, low income high rent areas, homeless veterans, addictions, crippling out of pocket medical bills.

Homelessness is a complex 'us' problem not a simple 'them' problem.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

Actually Tulsa. The 21st and Garnett area is pretty bad these days.

originally posted by: TinfoilTophat
a reply to: starvosan

If there were no immigrants, would there also be no homeless?

I think the homeless problem runs deeper than just simply saying, "They took our jobs."

Physical and mental illnesses, low income high rent areas, homeless veterans, addictions, crippling out of pocket medical bills.

Homelessness is a complex 'us' problem not a simple 'them' problem.

I agree a certain amount would exist and has been there but I also think we have driven many that direction. Let me ask you this. If there were no immigrants would no one be doing those jobs? Obviously someone would so who?