Hamas Chief Yahya Sinwar Says ‘We Have Israelis Where We Want Them’

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: KrustyKrab

Oh really??? pre pearl harbor the US controled acces to water and electricity in Japan, and kept it's citizens in something akin to openair prisons ?

I didn't know that, makes their attack on pearl Harbour almost understandable... I'd be angry at my suppressors too. I guess not everyone is so zen like you just swallowing such a treatment...

Kuddos for your pacifism, most wouldn't endure such a treatment...

Got a link? I do know there was a US embargo in response to Japans invasion of China. Is that what you’re talking about? Open air prison, yeah right, lol. Japan was invading a bunch of different countries at the time. Sounds innocent enough🤣

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge2
a reply to: FlyersFan

Hamas can attack Israel, mass murder 1200 innocent people

The IDF attack Gaza and mass murder 40,000 innocent women and children

Bomb schools crammed with Palestinians who want nothing to do with this slaughter, because there are 'several' hamas in there. Knowing theres kids in there.

Bomb hospitals crammed with injured people because there are 'several' hamas in there

Murder children on purpose because they are in the same building as hamas. As if the children have a choice to be there. They obviously dont.

But hey, y'know, hamas, so...

Only in American can we kill a million children a year then judge another country for killing a small portion of that during a war.

originally posted by: AlexandrosOMegas
a reply to: AlexandrosOMegas

Oh and what I will never forgive is allowing your filthy to be spread into and infect Europe, a happy peaceful progressive people...God save Poland, Japan, and Hungary though. They're the only ones with a head on their shoulders regarding this evil and sickening faith spreading...

Here’s a simple mental exercise.

Imagine, if you will, if the Jews were to kick up a hissy fit in cities world wide.

Burning the Palestinian flag, ripping down pictures of Gazans killed in the war, co-opting university campuses in order to disrupt Palestinian students, walking through Palestinian neighborhoods taunting them, and generally displaying bad behaviour, what would happen?

We saw how the Jews in Canada behaved in Toronto and the massive support they had in the march. They are fully capable of doing all those things listed above but don’t.

Two reasons they don’t.

1. They come from a civilized society.

2. There would be mayhem in our streets with Palestinians and their supporters acting out their rhetoric.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

Ah stop KK will ya...

Your propaganda is its ok to bomb buildings and shoot children coz theres hamas in the buildings, and carrying children.
Also spewing out calling it "collateral damage"

I’m saying it’s not Israels fault in most cases, like you’re trying to pin on them

You're worrying me now KK, whose bombing the buildings then?

You seem to be conflating the deaths with Israel only but completely ignore the Palestinians role in their own people’s death

Nope.
I know the kids parents have them throwing whatever at IDF and holding them. ive acknowledged that already.
Like i said previously, the poor kid has no choice for fear of a beating by his horrible hamas father.

But carry on with your propaganda of blaming it all on Israel, that’s what I’m tired of hearing because it’s BS

KK, surly you read by now my point is that IDF should not be bombing buildings while theres children in there?

I’m tired of hearing because it’s BS

Well how tired do you think we are of reading about yet more killings of children and women?

You really are worrying me KK, surly you can see my point?

Ive said numerous times now, and i dont support them at all, that hamas are the problem. I obviously know that.

But to claim that the killing of innocent children is justified is beyond disgusting.

IDF should not bomb that building if there are kids in there.

IDF should not bomb that building if there are kids in there.

IDF should not bomb that building if there are kids in there.

There. Make ya more tired now huh?

Get some rest KK, you need it.

a reply to: BigDuckEnergy

Only in American can we kill a million children a year then judge another country for killing a small portion of that during a war

Even the killing of one child is horrific.

People in America seem to a more relaxed about it, probably because of that number you posted.

You got me so wrong it would be funny only for the topic at hand.

If Hamas laid down their weapons, there would be peace.
If Israel laid down their weapons, there would be no more Israel.

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge2

IDF should not bomb that building if there are kids in there..

Hamas and the 'palestinians' shouldn't attack Israel, call for the genocide of the Jews and the destruction of Israel, then hide behind children. Israel has a right to defend itself. Hamas and the 'palestinians' are the ones killing children in Gaza, not Israel. But that's okay with Hamas and the 'palestinians'. Their leadership said that those deaths are good for the cause, they like the high numbers, it's good for their PR campaign because useful idiots suck it up.

The problem with these types of conversations is you can't criticize one side, even a tiny bit, without immediately being accused of being a hard-over sympathizer with the other side. I'm sorry, but there is plenty of blame to go around, and no side is innocent (note I said 'innocent', and not 'completely innocent'. ALL sides are guilty. period.)

The Israelis are guilty. Hamas is guilty. The Palestinians are guilty. The Iranians are guilty. The Syrians are guilty. And, the Americans are guilty.

The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians has been ongoing since 1948 when Israel was created, and it will continue to go on for 1,000 more years (or until everyone there is dead...whichever comes first) unless people around the world can rationally discuss the matter for longer than two sentences without being labeled a sympathizer for the opposition (whomever that is), and the enemy.

As noted, everyone is guilty in this conflict...everyone.

Israel - Guilty of first shaping public opinion worldwide that anyone who says a single thing negative about Israel is AUTOMATICALLY labeled "antisemitic"...instantly. For dumping billions into media organizations and the entertainment industry to spin the Israeli image as both victims and innocent bystanders. They are also guilty of indiscriminate bombing in places where they know collateral damage will be unacceptably high. Yet, they have managed to muzzle the entire planet from being able to criticize even a single thing they do without instantly being branded "antisemitic" thereby shutting down virtually all rational conversation on the matters. Guilty of leadership taking the very overt position that Palestine will "never, ever, be allowed statehood, end of discussion". They have effectively closed the door and welded it shut before anyone even had a chance to open it.

Hamas - Guilty of being a terrorist organization (sponsored by Iran) bent on killing Jews and exterminating them from the face of the Earth completely. Period. Guilty of knowingly infiltrating civilian populations by way of threats and intentionally causing collateral damage and death of civilians to further their cause. They are "terrorists". Period.

Palestinians - Guilty of not standing up to Hamas and failing to rid their society of them such that their own innocent people are being killed. Yes, women and children too. Guilty of supporting Hamas by simply allowing them to exist in their society, and allowing them to integrate themselves into their society. Guilty of remaining silent, and failing to make very open and public statements drawing clear lines of distinction between Palestinians/Palestine and Hamas.

Iranians - Guilty of being terrorists, of sponsoring, training, funding and endorsing terrorism worldwide. Guilty of religious fanaticism and antisemitism in the extremist of extremes.

Syria - See Iran (above).

Americans - (Oh boy, this is going to be a long list.) Guilty of endless funding of Israeli military without clear boundaries on what Israel is allowed to do with this funding, and/or enforcing boundaries which do exist, under the thread of ENDING said funding. And, this is not a new thing either, it goes back to Israel's spying on America and their secret nuclear weapons programs dating back to the 70's. Things such as funding (allegedly unknowingly) Israel's support of murderous apartheid in South Africa via military aid to Israel. Guilty of allowing Israel to use the threat of US military involvement as their 'big stick', in essence hiding behind the US military, again without any checks and balances on their own actions. For guaranteeing unwavering support to Israel regardless of whatever crazy thing they do.

The US is guilty of recklessly sending "aid" to the Palestinians without adequate oversight ultimately bolstering not the Palestinians, but rather Hamas itself and/or just sheer corruption within the Palestinian governmental structure (such that it exists).

The US is guilty of failing to take a clear foreign relations position and failing to enforce policies already in place out of fear of angering fabulously wealthy political campaign donations from the Jewish communities in both the US and abroad. This 'wet-towel' diplomacy is not limited to the democrats either; the republicans are equally guilty of this, and Biden, Trump, Obama, the Bushes, Clinton, Reagan and even Carter ALL have blood on their hands related to this same thing. This is 'blood money', pure and simple, and they all should stand trial for war crimes because of it (but not before a whole lot of other World leaders do as well).

So, we can argue all we want, call each other all sorts of names and apply all sorts of labels, but the reality is, no one person, country, or group, is innocent. They are all guilty. And, until society wakes up to this, nothing will change. Nothing.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

You’re living in a fantasy world where there’s war but no one dies including women and children. I’m pretty much done with the topic, especially after listening to the one person with all the sock accounts for months on here, ya know, the one moron giving you all your pretty stars, they’ve been parroting the same nonsense you do ad nauseam. I can’t explain anything more to you that hasn’t already been beat to death. You obviously can’t grasp the concept of how urban warfare in a 5 x 25 mile area is going to pan out. So not wasting my time with you anymore.

Do you think Israel should just do nothing while cowardly combatants hide among civilians? Maybe if gazan’s hadn’t given Israel shipping containers full of tortured and mutalated dead bodies there wouldn’t be any deaths. But but but the children…cry harder.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

See that 5 x 25 mile area you mentioned, thats where the IDF originally told the innocents to go to. They come in from the north, told everyone to move south to Rafah.
So they did maybe a million of them.

Then what happens?

Yep you know already, the IDF start bombing there.

Once upon a time i was a volunteer. Wasn't into the political side of things. But i was ready to fight the brits.

On the streets of Derry. I did things which aided our cause. Didn't kill anyone but was prepared to if necessary.
Walk down the wrong street and i woulda been shot by a sniper. Or just street level soldiers.

I think i know a tad about urban warfare and the logistics of it.

What you will never fail to grasp is the bombing of innocents.

We did it in britain. Horrifying. I hated seeing it. Disgusting. Innocent civilians murdered. They weren't soldiers i thought. Didn't like it.

Took until the Good Friday Agreement for me to be able to leave and come back down south.

But the bombing continuously of innocents every day is hard to read.

Of course i understand your point KK, but the slaughter of children is too much for me to accept like you do.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

See that 5 x 25 mile area you mentioned, thats where the IDF originally told the innocents to go to. They come in from the north, told everyone to move south to Rafah. So they did maybe a million of them.

Ummm… I think you’re not aware of the size of Gaza. Gaza in its entirety is only a little larger than 5 x 25 miles if you were to box it up as a perfect rectangle, it’s only 139 sq miles in total, that’s it, it’s about the size of Seattle. That’s why it’s so crowded and why civilian casualties are going to be high. Rafah is only a portion of that total area.

Yes, they were told to go to certain areas when the war started and then were told to leave Rafah months later and weeks before Israel started its campaign in Rafah. 800-900k left, why others stayed is beyond me but the IDF did ask for all civilians to leave the area. There shouldn’t have been civilians that stayed in Rafah, especially children, they were warned but they didn’t all leave. It’s very possible hamas didn’t allow them to leave as that is a tactic that hamas has used during this war. Israel even gave them places to go that had medical, food and tents for refuge, obviously those conditions were not ideal but it was a option vs dying.

4 battalions moved into Rafah setting up encampments, military post and hiding in civilian dwellings, basically using the remaining civilians as shields. I’m not sure what anyone expected Israel to do under those conditions?

They need to release all kidnapped hostages that are left and hamas needs to surrender, this could all be over today if Hamas/Palestinians did this. No one else has to die needlessly, it’s senseless.

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge2
Yep you know already, the IDF start bombing there ...

... because the 'palestinians' were (and still are) launching rockets from there into Israel trying to kill the Jews, and because the 'palestinians' and Hamas took the hostages into that area and they refuse to give up the hostages and lay down their arms.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge2
Yep you know already, the IDF start bombing there ...

... because the 'palestinians' were (and still are) launching rockets from there into Israel trying to kill the Jews, and because the 'palestinians' and Hamas took the hostages into that area and they refuse to give up the hostages and lay down their arms.

Yes, they did continue launching rockets out of Rafah into Israel recently. A few people in Israel were injured and property damage. I guess Israel is supposed to do nothing and just watch the fireworks display?🤷‍♂️

I guess Israel is supposed to do nothing and just watch the fireworks display ...

... and die. That's the goal of the 'palestinians' ... kill all the Jews and destroy Israel.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

I guess Israel is supposed to do nothing and just watch the fireworks display ...

... and die. That's the goal of the 'palestinians' ... kill all the Jews and destroy Israel.

Yep, they’ve even said as much. I don’t think a lot of people have grasped that concept. Although, the Palestinians have said exactly that. From the river to the sea, baby! = exterminate all Jews and take their land.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Just out of curiosity, why do you keep emphasizing 'Palestinians'? Do you not see any distinction between Palestinians and Hamas?

As I noted above, the Palestinians are guilty of many things, but I don't think they're the ones launching rockets into Israel. If you have some proof to the contrary, I'd love to see it.

IMO, part of untangling and unpacking this whole mess is making sure everyone understands who is who and then holding the respective parties accountable for things they can control. The Palestinians don't control Hamas; if anything it's the other way around.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Just out of curiosity, why do you keep emphasizing 'Palestinians'? Do you not see any distinction between Palestinians and Hamas?.

Both want to genocide the Jews. Both want Israel destroyed. Both participated in the Oct 7 attacks. The 'palestinians' applaud, support, enable, and assist Hamas. Hamas is made of 'palestinians'. Hamas was put in power by 'palestinians' and is kept in power by 'palestinians'. So no .. not much of a difference.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: FlyersFan

Just out of curiosity, why do you keep emphasizing 'Palestinians'? Do you not see any distinction between Palestinians and Hamas?

As I noted above, the Palestinians are guilty of many things, but I don't think they're the ones launching rockets into Israel. If you have some proof to the contrary, I'd love to see it.

IMO, part of untangling and unpacking this whole mess is making sure everyone understands who is who and then holding the respective parties accountable for things they can control. The Palestinians don't control Hamas; if anything it's the other way around.

Palestinians are the ones keeping the hostages in captivity, including the raping and torturing of hostages daily, so they’ve found out. Palestinians voted for hamas to govern them. 70% of Palestinians still support Hamas. Hamas are Palestinians. Palestinians are not helping the hostages, quite the opposite. Palestinians are doing nothing to stop Hamas, they could at least give intel on whereabouts of hostages. Palestinians know exactly where the hostages are, obviously if they’re the ones holding them hostage. Not sure of why the confusion?

a reply to: FlyersFan

It's tragic that (as former/next President Trump describes at the link) Benjamin Netanyahu is either a chicken, or is compromised.

Many many thousands of innocent men, women, and children, would still be alive today, if "Bibi" had followed through on the quick assassination of HAMAS leaders he promised to deliver, just after the group slaughtered Israeli citizens, inside of Israel. (Oct 2023)

Former President Trump says: theconservativetreehouse.com... ni/

a reply to: FlyersFan

a reply to: KrustyKrab

Okay, this is all fine and good, and I don't argue there is some blurring of the lines between the two. However, you do recognize they are two separate entities, right? They also have two separate chains of command. You don't control Hamas the same way you do the Palestinians, and this is the approach the Israeli's are taking. And, as the entire World can see, the Israeli approach isn't working. So, you have to separate the two groups and deal with them interdependently. You don't separate them physically; you can't. You separate them economically and politically.

You're also ignoring (either conveniently, or maybe because you don't know) that the leadership of Israel has, for the past 30 years, very clearly stated, in no uncertain terms, that Palestine will "never, ever be allowed statehood. In fact, Netanyahu has stated that he will fight Palestinian statehood to the 'last drop' of Israeli blood, that Israel would never yield even a 'single grain of sand' to Palestine. From his perspective Palestine does not exist. That's a pretty bold posture to take given Israel wouldn't even exist today if it wasn't for the UK and the United States. Not to mention the fact that the region was called Palestine before Israel was granted statehood and admitted to the UN. So, Israel is at war with Palestine, and has been at war with Palestine, long before Hamas and Hezbollah ever showed up.

As I stated previously, no one...no one...is without guilt, including Israel. So, let's stop with the Israeli 'victim' stuff. Yes, Israel was attacked in Oct, and they have retaliated, in spades, and tenfold.

So, let me ask you a question, one I don't see very often. What does Israel want if not the elimination of Palestine? If the Palestinians surrendered tomorrow, and gave up Hamas in the process, what would Israel do? We all know the answer to this...they would occupy Palestine. Obviously, Palestine will never do this, and why do you think this is? Because Israel has made it clear, again for the past 30 years, that Palestine will not be allowed to exist. So what other conclusion could they come to? Israel's foreign policy has brought this onto themselves, and now Israel is hiding behind the US to get out of it (just like they always do).

In order for this to end, ALL parties need to be held individually responsible for their actions, and there is both guilt and blood on ALL parties hands...including ours.

Next thing you know, you'll probably be calling me antisemitic, but I am far from it. What I want is the killing to stop, and anyone who thinks the current situation is working is mistaken.