James Webb Just Broke the Universe .... Again !

a reply to: whereisdagan

1) yes, thoughts have mass
2) your sarcasm is funny
4) I skipped 3
5) If you put enough energy into a point in space it expands and becomes malleable

1/ Prove it.

2/Not sarcastic, just a straight question. If dark matter doesn't show any signs of being conscious, how do you know it is?

3 (or 5 if you prefer)/ You're getting dark matter and dark energy mixed up. There is no automatic equivalence between them as is the case with normal matter and energy.

originally posted by: theatreboy
a reply to: gortex

I love these posts, S&F.

These new discoveries are the oldest Galaxies in the Universe known to us and so further compound the problem created by Webb's earlier discoveries , if our understanding of the Universe is correct these fully fledged Galaxies shouldn't exist after only 300 million years there simply wasn't enough time for them to form.

Our scientists always are wrong. Something, like the beginning of our universe, is taught as fact, when it is a theory. every decade or so, someone comes out and changes it.

The covid vaccine and MRNA tech was promoted as safe and effective. 3 years later, and the pharmaceutical companies are admitting this is false, however quietly.

While I am not a 6000 year old universe believer, I do believe in a version of the young earth theory. Rocks that formed after Mt St Helens erupted in 80 or 81, have been dated to millions of years old. Our test procedures are flawed.

This does not take the findings away, they are astounding.

I have always wanted, and still do, to go to space and see this beauty sans atmosphere. I just think our scientists have it wrong. Again.

ETA: DM sent.

You're right, it's wild to think back on school. I went to Catholic school, and I remember first being taught about God's creation, then later I was taught that the big bang is what happened, as if it was fact.

a reply to: Astyanax

The only thing they share is that they are guess works to fix a big glaring gap in the math...
neither has been scientifically proven. They just invented it so their faulty math works out, we ususally don't call stuff dark once we know what it actually is...

a reply to: Terpene

Oh, no, that isn’t the case at all, though I can see how it might seem so to someone who isn’t familiar with what physicists really do.

1) I have to prove nothing because i dont answer to you. Pay me and I'll prove it.
2) How do you know what it shows when you're not even sure it even exists.
3) or 5) I was just sharing some truth as I've seen it. I guessed at what it was sure could be dark energy instead but I don't see how they don't go hand in hand. Whatever it was could be shaped by thought though and I thought that was pretty effing cool. Was opaque and dark and behaved like matter :shrugs: idk what else to say really. We have craft controlled by thought now too.

a reply to: Astyanax

Prove it doesn't xD

a reply to: pianopraze

Alternatively...a nearby star could have exploded (already) in a supernova event and then collapsed into a black hole (which our star, the Sun, will fall into) and the shock wave and inescapable gravitational pull is still making its way toward us...and we, Earth, are completely oblivious to any of it. One day, 3-4 years from now, completely out of the blue, there will be a sudden unimaginable flash of light, and within one millisecond our entire solar system will vanish ... humanity as we know it will cease to exist in less than a single second. Then there will be complete silence and darkness as if nothing even happened.

People look up at the stars and marvel at the beauty of the Universe, oftentimes without realizing that Universe is an incomprehensibly savage and violent place.

How's that for some good ol' 'doom-porn' on a Saturday morning??? LOL!

Clay is secretly my hero a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

a reply to: whereisdagan

1. If you can't prove it when asked, what's the point of saying it in the first place?

2. Precisely. So when you say dark matter is conscious, that would be what's called 'making things up'.

3. See (1). Or explain how you know this.

a reply to: Astyanax

You have prove for dark matter? I mean like beyond the mathematical conjecture?

Something that brings it from a hypothesis into the realms of theories?

I think not...

a reply to: Terpene

That won't be necessary. I was referring to the scientific process by which added terms and functions can emerge from the mathematical analysis of any set of scientific observations. No commitment to any position on the existence or nonexistence if dark matter or dark energy is implied by what I said.

As I mentioned earlier, you may need some subject knowledge to understand how these concepts emerge from the data. It isn't a question of altering the theory to fit the results, as you seem to think.

a reply to: gortex

The discovery that the OP points out and everything it implies makes me wonder, do we really know more about what we thought we didn't know or do we only know a grain of sand? Is this the path that will lead us to the solution of the mystery that our understanding has called "creation"? Is the answer to that question billions of light years away, or is it within us?

I really don't know what's more fascinating, the OP's masterfully exposed news or some of the comments members have posted.

Without a doubt, great news, presented in an excellent way, results in an excellent thread. Congratulations, I loved hearing the news, thinking about it and reading great comments.

a reply to: Astyanax

It isn't a question of altering the theory to fit the results, as you seem to think.

Actually i think it's about time we alter the theory to fit the results...

What I think is happening is that we build crutches so we don't have to alter the theory.

Asty have you never shared your thoughts with another human being just to share?

As for your 2 making things up sounds kind of similar to having a theory.

Why are you anti me xD don't you love me man? I love you asty

a reply to: gortex

This is how science works.

New discoveries demolish old dogma and we are forced to question and redraw the boundaries of our knowledge.

May it ever be so!

originally posted by: theatreboy
a reply to: gortex

I love these posts, S&F.

These new discoveries are the oldest Galaxies in the Universe known to us and so further compound the problem created by Webb's earlier discoveries , if our understanding of the Universe is correct these fully fledged Galaxies shouldn't exist after only 300 million years there simply wasn't enough time for them to form.

Our scientists always are wrong. Something, like the beginning of our universe, is taught as fact, when it is a theory. every decade or so, someone comes out and changes it.

The covid vaccine and MRNA tech was promoted as safe and effective. 3 years later, and the pharmaceutical companies are admitting this is false, however quietly.

No, they aren't. The mRNA vaccines are still safe and effective.

Just because we have identified some small statistical possibility of adverse effects, they knew from the start that such was likely. That's why they have the databases that centralize information about adverse effects.

There are people who die from the consumption of water. Do you think it valid that people start to rant online about its deadliness?

While I am not a 6000 year old universe believer, I do believe in a version of the young earth theory. Rocks that formed after Mt St Helens erupted in 80 or 81, have been dated to millions of years old. Our test procedures are flawed.

This does not take the findings away, they are astounding.

I have always wanted, and still do, to go to space and see this beauty sans atmosphere. I just think our scientists have it wrong. Again.

ETA: DM sent.

originally posted by: whereisdagan
Dark matter is thought, maybe even consciousness, space is everywhere. Start shaping.

Dark matter was made so the math would fit the theory.

Look it up.

The discovery actually makes a bit of sense.

Our entire universe is just a quantum particle in an even larger universe, and quantum particles in our universe are really entire universes of their own. These nesting universes, like Russian Babushka dolls, are infinite in number.

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: whereisdagan
Dark matter is thought, maybe even consciousness, space is everywhere. Start shaping.

Dark matter was made so the math would fit the theory.

Look it up.

Yes. It is the only explanation (so far) that fits the observations.

Gravity is the interaction between mass and spacetime. So if there is Dark Matter, there must be Dark Gravity, and by extension, there must also be Dark Time.

a reply to: whereisdagan

Asty have you never shared your thoughts with another human being just to share?

The name’s Astyanax. Yes, of course I have. Before doing so, I run them through my own brain to vet them for credibility, good sense and moral effect. This is what responsible adults do.

Making things up sounds kind of similar to having a theory.

A theory — more accurately a hypothesis, which is something that precedes a theory — has to fit the facts. Not just the facts you know but all of them; all the relevant facts. Made-up stuff doesn’t have restrictions like that.

Physics was my degree subject. That was forty years ago and I certainly don’t know everything about it, but I know many times more than the average ATS member. I used to be surprised at how people come up with theories about things they obviously have no knowledge of; ATS has taught me that certain kinds of people do it all the time, parading their ignorance in public while pretending shamelessly that they know what they are talking about. It’s pretty funny, actually, and one reason I continue to visit and sometimes post on this site is for the entertainment these people provide me with.

Why are you anti me xD don't you love me man? I love you asty

I’m not anti-you; I’m anti-stupidity. That’s the other reason I still post here; I hope to educate the very few amongst you who are still educable. I hoped you were one; you seem young. Should I give up hope, then?