Is M.A.D defunked.

I was fairly confident during the time of the Soviet Union that the policy of "Mutually assured destruction " would keep the nukes in their holsters because it seemed that both sides were rational human beings who just wanted the best for their general populations.Plus they did not want to rule over a pile of ashes. Because it would be pointless.
But for M.A.D. to work the people who decide to trigger the nukes have to have a sane state of mind from the top to the bottom in the chain of command. So looking at things at the moment this does not seem to be the case. Joe is impaired and has cognitive difficulties, Putin in the past few years has been under a lot of pressure and the state leader might be showing signs of paranoia, as the internal purges are starting. In the West manditory vaccinations have severely damaged a good proportion of the population this can be argued but it does show an irrationality of judgement during times of international stress. The siuation seems to be escalating,as the supply of long distance weapons to Ukraine , are being used to take out Russias over the horizon radar, which would be a tactical move to blind Russias ability to react at speed to an incomming missile strike.Which sort of looks like they are softening up Russia for a ground attack.
Massive troop buildups in Europe in the countries that border Russia which means that the theatre of war will be primaraly in Europe. Which would be what the USA would prefer. China and Russia and their allies have been forced into an alliance which is threatening the dollar as the reserve currency, but more to the point it is threatening the long term viability of the big players who are the real leaders of the West, who's power base is their ability to pay large amounts of money to get their orders carried out. But the point of this thread is to ask when the UK and other leaders in Europe have asked their populations to get supplies stocked up for emergencies....How safe is M.A.D when we seem to have moved on to Clown world ?.... Because if two and two makes four and an attempted invasion of Russia is on the cards, if that is the case then without any doubt Russia will do a first strike on areas which they think will have to be neutralised. Or with the coming conscriptions after all the eligible reservists have been used up will it just be an ongoing meat grinder?

a reply to: annonentity

So, Russia invades its neighbours. Threatens anyone who dares to speak out or oppose its expansionist policies. Repeatedly openly states its desire to use first strike nuclear weapons against nations that have the temerity to stand up against them.

And its everyone else's fault apart from Russia?

Sounds about right.

MAD is as real today as its ever been.
Only one country threatening to turn it into reality.

a reply to: annonentity

Must be because they are all vaccinated.

While the technology exists and is operational, the risk of most of them going off also exists. I don't know just how much of a role they have played with international diplomacy, seams like a part of the talks at times.

a reply to: Freeborn

That will be the narrative if the West wins, and the reason to carve up Russia for future peace and war reparations.Along with the confiscation of their Gold reserves. But if the West loses and engages the the war on multiple fronts as will be tha most probable scenario. It will be a different story, Since absolutly nothing is being done to reverse the decline in the West and the big money is cashing out , and preparing their bunkers . I have a feeling those in the know already have an inkling of the eventual outcome. Planned or not it will be depopulation.
When was the last time Russia was invaded and occupied? even thinking it can be done has the smell of a meglomaniac.The supply lines are too long. As the last two Empire builders found out.

a reply to: annonentity

Putin and Biden aren't the ones we really need to worry about destabilizing the MAD doctrine. Putin maybe a little bit in the tactical nuke/theater nuke department, but I think he'll exercise quite a bit of restraint just knowing what hangs in the balance.

And, ironically enough, North Korea despite all their sabre rattling isn't much of a worry either. They'll stay contained, because even though they say different publicly, they know in their hearts they'll be wiped off the map from about 3 different directions if they act out. The minute NK nukes someone it will be a footrace to see who can beat China from vaporizing NK.

But countries like Iran, on the other hand, truly are a worry. And their fanatical ideology doesn't lend itself well to MAD type doctrines, especially when you have a millions of people who believe being a martyr is a good thing.

MAD works when there are a very limited number of players (2-3), adversaries. MAD starts falling apart with more adversaries than two to three.

edit - A lot of people have really dated views of nukes stemming from the Cold War. Most people believe both Russia and China have nukes pointed at the USA (and vice versa), but the modern reality is, China and Russia have more nukes pointed at each other than at the USA combined.

putting my tin foil hat on so forgive me. Multiple accounts of UAP/UFO's disabling nuclear missiles in their silos.
Hopefully if people were to go M.A.D., ET could shut them all down before the world turns into a giant
fukushima/Chernobyl/TMI disaster.
Even with all the bunkers and D.U.M.Bs etc. Who would want to survive such a thing.

a reply to: rdambroso

Knowing a thing or two about these weapons myself, I'm curious...what specifically was disabled by these alleged UAP/UFO's on the missiles? These things are hardened about 16 ways from Sunday to prevent exactly this, so short of mechanically damaging the structure of the vehicle itself and/or weapon (which would be a very big deal, and likely an international incident) I'm raising the BS flag on this one.

Seems like somebody wants a war against Russia, whatever it takes. The Ukraine is foolish enough to be the trigger for those who want a war against Russia. Those who seem to want that war are 6000 km away from Europe and feel safe for whatever silly reason. When Europe goes down the drain because of a war these people think they could achieve several goals, weaken Russia, weaken Europe, preventing good german-russian relations and making money of course. Desperatly trying to stay a nation which is still important in the world while the BRICS nations simply laugh and watch the so called west going down the drain.

That´s what it looks and feels like as european citizen!

But please, let us all not forget that many, many of the main players in that game are WEF agents who have infiltrated the parliaments and governments of many, not only western nations. Look at Young Global Leader Putin, look at Young Global Leader Selenskyi for example. Doesn´t the WEF and it´s Great Reset profit from all that fear and hate among the pawns which we average people are for these criminals against humanity? Is that curious war, where still 70% of the Ukraine are outside the war zone, not a great excuse for the negative side effect of turning former at least a bit democratic nations into a socialist-fascist zoo for us peasants, with those greedy ultra-rich criminals as zoo keepers?

Don´t we all feel, the faster we approach 2030 (a goal these criminals seem to have set to themselves), how we own less and less simply because we can´t afford anything anymore? And first they told us it´s because of the plandemic, then when they totally switched to Ukraine from Corona in no more than twelve hours suddenly (and until now) the rising costs for everything were (and are, until now) completely "super villain Putins" fault and never the costs of the so called transformation, never the costs of the Green New Deal, never the costs of the sanctions against Russia (which hit us most and Russia laughs), never because of bad politics (in the best case if all that really is not on purpose) and corrupt (because "lobby-driven) politicians who don´t give a flying f about the citizens of the nations they destroy since 2020.

Today i learned that "Germany"(these WEF controlled puppets in the politics) buy stuff like fertilizer like never before (up to 920%) from Russia since that war started because fertilizer was exempted from the sanctions (certainly without a shred of self-interest...). For a german tax payer that means we pay billions to "help" the corrupt Ukraine to "fight evil Putin" and how to be better, make more (german and EU taxpayers) money via corruption. And at the same time we buy enough stuff from Russia so that the war machinery can keep running on both sides. Like for example the US still does but with oil and gas (and whatever else if for their own benefit, same even for the Ukraine itself. But "Germany" must commit economic suicide to allegedly play moral world champion, as we people are told here, while we are being sucked dry for the purpose of redistribution from the bottom to the top.

I am not even in fear of a hot war against Russia some people obviously try to push Europe in because the situation now is better for the WEF agenda. Endless fear because of a war, a virus, inflation, climate change and even ETs is better for the "elites" than a real war. I mean, a real war could contaminate the 70% of ukrainian agricultural landmass, the corn chamber of Europe as it is called, that is in the hands of US companies meanwhile. All that Ukraine BS since 2014 including a government change and installing WEF agents to play president and whatever else would have been for nothing then.

I am not in fear of a hot war because the masses of people are so controllable like little stupid robots and the "elites" don´t even need a huge real war anymore to reach their goals. Daily MSM propaganda and a super villain everybody needs to hate, an invisible threat like the climate change that will kill us all anyway (if we don´t pay enough to the companies of the ultra-rich which want us "to save the climate" with our money while they collect that money to start space rockets and play space tourists).

A never-ending fear of a war like in the first cold war together with mass stupefaction through lack of education and mass confusion with the help of spyPhones plus apps like so called social media BS (i know that ATS is also social media but you know what or who i mean, the big players who control the masses via their BS platforms to gather data and create opinions).

And then you keep the masses poor and incites them against each other with some nonsense (like that "left" and " right" BS, pro this sh!t, versus that crap, the compulsion to take sides, of course the "right side", in whatever conflict wherever on earth etc) and support only those that have more than enough (and buy laws like us peasants underwear or socks) by taking from those, us peasants, who get squeezed like lemons anyway.

Nah, they don´t need and want a big war, those WEF agents, they reach their goals without one as we can see live, they only need the above recipe just described. And masses of people as stupid as they are nowadays.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
well..I am not an expert on this, but I have watched several video accounts
from servicemen..one in a hardened bunker where an 'object' hovered over the silo witnessed by
soldiers on the surface,
and shut down all the controls and then re-activated them etc. for the ICBM without apparent damage witnessed
by soldiers inside the silo.

I'm sure if you did some searches you would find these accounts.
Also Rendlesham forest incident I have heard varying accounts..it was a nuclear weapon
storage area and object shot a beam and penetrated the bunkers where the weapons were stored.

Another account I watched told the story of a ballistic missile that had an 'object/disk' appear by it during launch, shot some inexplicable beam at it's nosecone and the missile launch/missile failed. It ran circles around the missile so you can imagine its extraordinary flight characteristics. G forces alone would have likely crushed human pilots.
I saw alleged video of that incident on a couple of occasions.

The big question is were these accounts real or disinformation. If they were real was it our black budget projects
doing it or little green men. I do not know but I believe there is quite a large volume of information on the subject
available to the public now if you are curious to go down that rabbit hole. I guess the optimist in me hopes there is someone out there smarter than we are that would prevent such a tragedy.

a reply to: annonentity

If 'The West' had wanted to invade Russia and 'carve it up' they would have done it a long time ago.

Its acute paranoia.
No-one wants Russia, they are free to do as they choose.....just stop intimidating and invading neighbouring countries.

a reply to: rdambroso

Sorry, but the whole Rendlesham forest thing is a bunch of hooey, much ado about nothing; some drunk guys running around in a forest seeing sh**.

Additionally, and perhaps sadly, relying on E.T. to stop mankind's stupidity is a fools errand.

I would also add that Russia/China is no threat against the dollar and both countries are in shambles economically too. We need to remember that Russia has the economic power of about Texas. China is bleeding trillions and is not stopping anytime soon.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

you sound like a debunker/skeptic. I keep an open mind to the topic honestly.
You may call me a fool for 'hoping' some external force will save us but honestly that
is just as likely as me being able to do the same.

a reply to: annonentity

to know that we would have to know what Russia and the u.s have as their last play cards.


i think the US has some sort of weapon system that seeps us safe here in the US

a reply to: Freeborn

I honestly think its a big show and all the major players are in on it.

a reply to: rdambroso

If that's the case it's a blood sport considering the number of dead and mutilated on both sides.

a reply to: andy06shake
I agree with you. Human life has no value in that game.

a reply to: DerBeobachter2

As I started to read your reply, I began to write a response. Then I realized who you were; I used to have your avatar memorized, but you must have lost it during the The Great Purge of '23 (like so many others). It's interesting to see a perspective from Europe which echos many of the same sentiments Americans have about our own government, their spending and endless taxation of citizens.

I don't necessarily agree with the notion of 'everyone wanting a war with Russia' though. My feelings are kind of the opposite, I think Russia, or more specifically Putin, wants some form of WWIII with everyone else. I'm not sure I understand why this is, but certainly his actions in Ukraine are a major destabilizing factor in the region. At the same time, I don't think Ukraine's posturing leading up to the Russian invasion are necessarily transparent and lily white either. It's a complicated situation, no doubt, but there is no question about who initiated the conflict itself. That responsibility lies squarely with Putin.

I'm sure I don't speak for everyone on the planet, but I do feel I speak for the vast majority when I say people as a whole don't want war. People are tired of war, and destruction, and death.

Back to the topic of nuclear war, the subject of the OP, I also think that most people don't understand what a nuclear conflict would really look like. People believe it's like a light switch...one moment the lights are on, and the next minute the lights all get shut off. But that's not how it works in reality.

The destruction from a nuclear exchange doesn't flatten entire countries, or even entire cities. Each strike zone only destroys about a square mile of real estate; everything outside these zones withers and dies a slow an agonizing descent into sickness, suffering and anarchy. It's a slow descent into hell...nothing like a light switch at all. People throw around the specter of nuclear war like it's some immediate, almost comical, ending...like they will be blissfully alive one moment and in a flash of light it will be all over, and they'll never feel a thing. That's not how it really ends, and if people took the time to really understand this, truly understand it, they would realize it's nothing to toss around lightly.

This misunderstanding, thinking nuclear war is nothing they can do anything about, but it won't matter because they'll be gone in an "instant", leads people to treat the discussion with an element of casualness, almost trivial. I liken this mentality to that of many who commit suicide in order to punish others (or so they think). These same people really don't have an understanding of what the end really is; to them it's like the ending of a movie where they get to watch the credits roll after "The End". That's not how it works.

The other thing I don't believe people understand is how these conflicts begin. They don't begin when someone has a temper tantrum and just decides to push the proverbial "red button" (which isn't real anyway). No, they start much slower than this with incremental increases in tension and conflict. But, like standing on thin ice, there comes a point where there is no turning back. THAT is the point people need to be wary of, and that is not where most people are focused. They are focused instead on the end-game, that big mushroom cloud. If that is what they truly want to see, and they honestly don't care about that 'tipping point' before it, well, that's just what they're going to get.

The key here, for people really interested in preventing humanity from passing that point of no return, is to focus on the events leading up to that point. In other words, to not look at the conflict in Ukraine as..."Well, I can't see it from my house, so it doesn't matter to me". It very much DOES matter to them; it matters to everyone. In a manner of speaking, the mushroom cloud is akin to the 'forest', and the incremental conflicts leading up to it, like Ukraine, are the 'trees'. And people can't see the forest but for the trees.

a reply to: rdambroso

An entire generation of Ukrainian and Russian people are being wiped off the face of the earth.

Now considering the problems both nations face regarding an aging population.

It is not really something they can afford to lose or realistically easily replace.