Vladimir Putin Ready to 'Freeze' War in Ukraine With Ceasefire

a reply to: RussianTroll

And like all schoolkids dreams its not based on reality.

NATO surrender?
Grow up RT and join the real world my friend.

a reply to: Freeborn

NATO has extensive experience of capitulations, especially recently. NATO is a colossus with feet of clay.

a reply to: RussianTroll

NATO hasn't engaged in Ukraine so how can they 'capitulate'?
Stop being silly RT.

Post more of your intriguing and fascinating threads of old and less of this childish, fantasy nonsense.

Up for an early vodka to blow away the cobwebs?

🥂

a reply to: nugget1

The only reason Putin wants a ceasefire is because it suits him , it wouldn't be the end of the war it would be a pause so Russia can rearm , he was allowed to keep Crimea then came back for more I don't think that mistake will be repeated.

Something happened in 2022 in Antalya and Istanbul, what was it again?

"But now, on April 9, the tide has turned: The attacks from Belarus have been repulsed, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov announces something of a partial withdrawal: from now on, the Russian army will concentrate on the south and the Donbass. Kiev is no longer under threat and Western arms deliveries to Ukraine have begun. Between mid-March and early April, there are even ceasefire negotiations, first on March 10 in Antalya, Turkey, then on March 29 in Istanbul.

Then, on April 9, Boris Johnson, then still Prime Minister, suddenly appeared in Kiev, warned Volodymyr Zelensky against making concessions to Vladimir Putin, whom he described as a war criminal, and encouraged the Ukrainians, but also warned Zelensky that even if he was prepared to conclude an agreement with Russia on the basis of security guarantees, "we are not". This is how Ukrainian journalists from Ukrainska Pravda described the decisive sentence at the time, although it is unclear who Johnson, if he really said it, meant by "we" at the time: the British government, the British and US governments, NATO or even the "collective West" - all of these interpretations of the statement have been circulating on the internet and in print media ever since, almost always with the claim that Johnson was preventing a ceasefire or even a peace treaty with Russia at the time."

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: nugget1

The only reason Putin wants a ceasefire is because it suits him , it wouldn't be the end of the war it would be a pause so Russia can rearm , he was allowed to keep Crimea then came back for more I don't think that mistake will be repeated.

Exactly.

It would extremely naive to trust anything yhe Russian government says.

If Putin actually wants peace he can withdraw his forces.

Russia has always been open to negations since the start. Trumps says it would not of started under his watch, Biden says he has nothing to say. As for all the terms, Ukraine looks like it was left in the too hard basket after WW2. Since then, things have been heating up in the last decade or two.

With Russia kicked out of the Olympics, that competitive spirt has to turn up somewhere.

a reply to: nugget1

He might wish to take that up with Ukraine as opposed to the "Western world".

The fact of the matter is that Ukraine is still willing to fight for its nation and does not wish to capitulate a role over to the Russian invasion farce.

The only way Putin will achieve peace is to take his forces back to the Russian permafrost and return the 18% of land occupied to Ukraine.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Feet of clay you say?

How long has your lord god Mad Vlads ""special military operation"" aka all out war and invasion, been going on now?

821 days or about 2 years, 3 months later and Russia still cannot finish its dinner RT.

As always freedom to Ukraine and down with the Russian scum invaders.

originally posted by: kwaka
Russia has always been open to negations since the start. Trumps says it would not of started under his watch, Biden says he has nothing to say. As for all the terms, Ukraine looks like it was left in the too hard basket after WW2. Since then, things have been heating up in the last decade or two.

With Russia kicked out of the Olympics, that competitive spirt has to turn up somewhere.

Russia invaded.

That's pretty much the opposite of being open to negotiations.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Russia invaded.

They invaded real hard during WW2 in dealing with the Nazi's. The Nazi invaded too back then. Go back further, lots of invasions in that part of the world. Since then, the Russian language has live on more in Ukraine than the Western language. Ukraine is a bit of mongrel these days with a mix going on.

If all that matters is what happened yesterday, all that is on your radar is tomorrow.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Russia invaded.

They invaded real hard during WW2 in dealing with the Nazi's. The Nazi invaded too back then. Go back further, lots of invasions in that part of the world. Since then, the Russian language has live on more in Ukraine than the Western language. Ukraine is a bit of mongrel these days with a mix going on.

If all that matters is what happened yesterday, all that is on your radar is tomorrow.

You might want to read a history book as your order of events is completely mixed up.

Russia cooperated with the NAZI's until Germany invaded Russia.

Nothing to do with Putin invading Ukraine however.

a reply to: kwaka

It seems to matter to Putin as to what happened in yesteryears never mind yesterday.

Hence his Ukrainian land grab aka war and invasion.

In an attempt to return the current Russian Federation to something more reminiscent of the former USSR.

What Putin's attempting to perpetrate equates to the likes of Operation Barbarossa in reverse imho.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: kwaka

It seems to matter to Putin as to what happened in yesteryears never mind yesterday.

Hence his Ukrainian land grab aka war and invasion.

In an attempt to return the current Russian Federation to something more reminiscent of the former USSR.

What Putin's attempting to perpetrate equates to the likes of Operation Barbarossa in reverse imho.

The difference being Operation Barbarossa at least started of successfully.

a reply to: nugget1

It's not a popular war and turing it back to the same old corrupt regime isn' appealing to everyone. The more countries support Ukraine financially while citizens fall farther into poverty the less support this war is getting.

I think you're exaggerating. Poland is sending military aid to Ukraine too and offering home to the refugees and, in spite of that, the level of poverty hasn't risen. I realize that the US helps much more but its budget can't be compared with ours. I don't know whether poverty in the US is on the rise but I heard about the slums and swarms of illegal immigrants long before the war.

As for this ceasefire, it doesn't mean peace. Everyone reasonable would wish for that war to end but I'm afraid Putin doesn't want to end it. He violated the two Minsk Agreements, which were meant to end the fighting in Donbass. Neither did taking the Crimea satisfy him. So how can anyone trust him not to violate the treaty he himself will sign if he already violated it before?

The man is not a partner one can negotiate with because he doesn't keep his word. All he wants is some rest to regroup and strengthen the army and then he will strike again.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

That's because Nazi Germany, as unfortunate as the case may be, could manage to carry out blitzkrieg maneuvers and military columns back in 1941.

Whereas the Russian Federation forces not so much in this day of age.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Russia cooperated with the NAZI's until Germany invaded Russia.

Germany kept Russia onboard until Hitler decided it was time to invade. Maybe if things went to plan might of had a better chance. Getting trapped by the winter has halted many past invasions. I know it is not always easy to get a clear picture of how WW2 really went. The southern approach on the Eastern German front is where Ukraine fell.

a reply to: Freeborn
No one will ask your opinion or comment on your sophisticated logic. Today, with the help of weapons supplied by NATO, target designation and real-time adjustment of NATO air assets, a blow was struck against a component of Russia's nuclear deterrent force - the Voronezh over-the-horizon radar in the Krasnodar Territory. According to Russia's nuclear doctrine, any attack on nuclear deterrent forces is actually a declaration of nuclear war and entails a nuclear strike on all countries involved.
You won’t even know about Russia’s reaction, since instead of your country, a desert filled with glass may form at any moment. The games are over.

a reply to: kwaka

Stalin never trusted Hitler mainly due to the deep ideological differences they shared.

He knew chances were the Nazis would turn around and bite him on the arse at some point.

And yet he still chose to get into bed with them knowing that an eventual German invasion of the Soviet Union was on the cards.

Point of fact also to consider without the intervention of the allied artic convoys that kept Russia afloat, the German invasion of the Soviet Union would most likely have prevailed.

a reply to: RussianTroll

any attack on nuclear deterrent forces is actually a declaration of nuclear war and entails a nuclear strike on all countries involved.

Is that more thinly veiled backhanded obtuse threats of nuclear annihilation from you again?

We have told you, and Russia, before RT.

Come ahead if you think you're hard enough.

Else wheesht and get back to the permafrost, please.

Using nukes is a mugs game, and this is a M.A.D world.

You know it, we know it, and so does Putin if you're honest despite the daft nuclear saber rattle.