Britain rejects the World Health Organisation Pandemic Treaty

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: Station27

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
Apparently we objected to their suggestion that we hand over sovereign control of our health service, and 5% of our GDP for the running of the service.

I never usually congratulate Rishi Sunak (our Prime Minister), but on this occasion he has hit a home run

That's great! I applaud your country and hope that my country, the United States Of America, does the same thing.

I agree, but with Biden in office I must admit I'm skeptical.

And it's more likely all just theater breadcrumbs. To keep the masses placid and content .

a reply to: ScarletDarkness

You very well could be right.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

In the evidence of the rampant, profit driven, inflation together with the failing NHS, and mass abandment of MPs pre the early General Election I can only the 5% was heading for the wrong pocket.

The link which is also noted within the pic I posted is:
cdn.who.int...

Of all the 150ish members on this list, only 11 members contribute greater than1% but less than 2% of their GDP. WHO claims to have 194 nation members on their site. See their site for details.

Nine members contribute 2% or more of their GDP. US, UK, Spain, Republic of Korea, Japan, Germany, France, China and Canada.

But the world cannot agree on just how much WHO actually needs.

The world clearly needs to mobilize significant new funding to close major gaps in its capacity to prevent, detect, and respond to pandemics—but the international community cannot seem to agree on how much is needed. This lack of agreement is stalling progress toward a pandemic preparedness and response (PPR) system.

Global leaders and technical experts have offered varying estimates of necessary total and new additional funding that range in size by an order of magnitude. The Group of Twenty (G20) High Level Independent Panel estimated the minimum annual additional investment required for a Global Health Threats Fund was $10 billion with an additional $5 billion to strengthen the World Health Organization (WHO) and other existing institutions. The World Bank and WHO recently estimated the needs at $31.1 billion annually, including $10.5 billion of new funding from donors. In 2021, McKinsey recommended spending $85 to $130 billion for two years, followed by $20 to $50 billion annually for the rest of the decade. A 2022 study by Stephanie Eaneff and her colleagues at Georgetown University pegged the total at $124 billion over five years.

Why such a wide spread? In part, it’s because these estimates do not share a standardized methodology for how they predict costs, project the scope of PPR activities, or even which countries they include.

Estimates do not share a standardized methodology for how they predict costs.

For example, the estimates by McKinsey and jointly by the WHO and World Bank include the cost of limiting antimicrobial resistance (AMR), estimated by the World Bank at $9 billion a year, on the logic that such resistance risks future bacterial outbreaks. On the other hand, the G20 High Level Independent Panel excludes AMR costs, noting that the benefits of AMR transcend PPR.

The estimates take different approaches to incorporating funding for strengthening health systems: the G20 High Level Independent Panel did not include such funding, whereas the McKinsey and the joint WHO–World Bank estimates included $5.4 billion in annual pandemic-specific health systems strengthening. Although the study by Eaneff and her colleagues does not categorize needs for health systems, it does provide for major components of them, including investments in laboratory capacity and workforce development.

The estimates also vary in how they account for current levels of investment. McKinsey estimates only the total financing required, whereas the G20 High Level Independent Panel and the joint WHO–World Bank study separate the additional funding needed beyond existing expenditure. The Eaneff study also estimates the additional financing individual countries need to reach satisfactory levels of pandemic preparedness, but does not specify current financing levels or the total needed globally.

The differences do not stop there. McKinsey does not break down the costs of investments by the income-level of the receiving countries, and the other studies make different assumptions about how costs should be shared between high-income, middle-income, and low-income countries and by global financial institutions. Some of the studies include private-sector contributions whereas others exclude them. They also vary in their judgment about the amount of funding that needs to be front-loaded; some presume large investments up front are needed to quickly amplify global capacity whereas others show less urgency.

www.thinkglobalhealth.org...

And here's the link showing their final Audited Financial Statements for 2021.
apps.who.int...

A lot of pretty words and graphs explaining where all the money goes. Unfortunately, after a lot of digging, I can't see where it does any good at all to have this organization. In fact it's just another example of the huge waste of taxpayer's money where an organization is amassing, manipulating and sharing data to somehow justify their existence. Talk about a rabbit hole. They could give ACORN a run for their money.

Somehow some coding screwed up my postings so I had to submit in parts.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
The Royal family still runs the UK, therefore it makes sense they have no interest in forking over their national sovereignty or wealth. If you guys actually had sellout politicians instead of royal running the place, it would have been signed asap. I would say they did a good thing fighting the Euro-China socialist alliance but they only did it for their personal control motives and not for the people.

We have to wait until Trump is sworn back in and the military begins its court martials of all the traitorous scum working as agents of foreign powers while the Justice Department does the same on the civilian side.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

A snap election was called by sunak to stop the issue being re dabated in parliament. Not by accident.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

The Royal family still runs the UK,.....

One of the biggest load of bollocks I have ever read in my time here on ATS.
Do you have any actual evidence to support that?

And obviously, you're unsubstantiated opinion carry's far more weight than those of us who actually live here.
*Where's that shaking your head in total disbelief emoji?*

We have to wait until Trump is sworn back in and the military begins its court martials of all the traitorous scum....

Turning the USA into a military dictatorship that stifles all freedom of speech.
What on earth has happened to all those defenders of freedom and liberty?

a reply to: Freeborn

Turning the USA into a military dictatorship that stifles all freedom of speech.
What on earth has happened to all those defenders of freedom and liberty?

The MAGA crowd seem happy with Trump becoming a dictator as far as i can establish and would vote for the Man no matter what he has said or does.

Someone who is above the law and answers to nobody, i think it might be a king they are after. LoL

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

A snap election was called by sunak to stop the issue being re dabated in parliament. Not by accident.

Does that mean that this WHO treaty hasn’t been rejected after all then? If it hasn’t been debated in parliament how can Sunak just say nay to it as posters have claimed? I’m a bit confused here by the reporting of the Telegraph and thread in general.

a reply to: AllisVibration

oes that mean that this WHO treaty hasn’t been rejected after all then? If it hasn’t been debated in parliament how can Sunak just say nay to it as posters have claimed? I’m a bit confused here by the reporting of the Telegraph and thread in general.

It had been rejected but going back i guess for debate and amendment. The snap election stopped this. Protecting our sovereign rights from the NWO take over.

I dont worry!
Laber will be in power soon!

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

You are using semantics to claim that 5% of our GDP would not be handed over to the WHO to fund their operations, which is what was originally stated in the treaty, along with its right to maintain sovereign control over the national health service in a PHEIC (public health emergency of international concern), which is exactly what the original pandemic treaty stated. You are weaseling your way to claim that what I wrote wasn't true, when in fact it was true.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Apparently we objected to their suggestion that we hand over sovereign control of our health service, and 5% of our GDP for the running of the service.

Nope. Actually, what they are objecting to is this:

According to a draft of the pandemic accord being negotiated at the WHO, richer countries should be asked to pull their weight in helping the world cope with pandemics, including reserving 20% of tests, treatments and vaccines for the WHO to distribute in poorer countries during emergencies.

From how it reads the British want to have all their placebo vaccines and sham tests for themselves, without sharing with Africa. Good for them.

I don't think that sending the surplus of vaccines away is such a bad idea. Our silly government ordered too many of them and ran into legal troubles.

If the treaty meant sending money to the WHO (not sure of that), then it's something different. That joke of an organization cannot be trusted.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Freeborn

Turning the USA into a military dictatorship that stifles all freedom of speech.
What on earth has happened to all those defenders of freedom and liberty?

The MAGA crowd seem happy with Trump becoming a dictator as far as i can establish and would vote for the Man no matter what he has said or does.

Someone who is above the law and answers to nobody, i think it might be a king they are after. LoL

Not just that, but the whole Trump cult keeps going on how they want his kids to succeed him on the "throne". A dynasty of authoritarian grifters. The founding fathers are rolling like Costco rotisserie chickens in their graves.

Im pleasantly surprised you guys turned down the WHO in this stupid "treaty" though. WHO is a sham, and the pandemic showed us they cant be trusted or taken seriously. 20% of your vaccine supply? So how the hell are you guys supposed to deal with the next pandemic? The richest country in the world also had the most COVID deaths. In fact the next country in second place was India, a country with three times the population and much more poverty and poorer healthcare infrastructure, but they had half the deaths. So its not like the west has shown it can easily handle epidemics and pandemics very well itself.

But honestly, does anyone take WHO seriously anymore?

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

You are using semantics to claim that 5% of our GDP would not be handed over to the WHO to fund their operations, which is what was originally stated in the treaty, along with its right to maintain sovereign control over the national health service in a PHEIC (public health emergency of international concern), which is exactly what the original pandemic treaty stated. You are weaseling your way to claim that what I wrote wasn't true, when in fact it was true.

I said its not true because its not true.

No weasel words required, just reality.
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a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
Good for the UK!
I hope Americans wake up and follow suit.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Freeborn

Turning the USA into a military dictatorship that stifles all freedom of speech.
What on earth has happened to all those defenders of freedom and liberty?

The MAGA crowd seem happy with Trump becoming a dictator as far as i can establish and would vote for the Man no matter what he has said or does.

Someone who is above the law and answers to nobody, i think it might be a king they are after. LoL

No you are just another anti-Trumper. I doubt you are pro-liberty either.
Freedom of speech only when it suits your ideology maybe ? That seems to be the case for people leaning left who do not see their own authoritarian tendencies. Do you support Biden ? Obama ?
It is democrats in Congress who have made themselves above the law. They are not for the common people. The common people have been betrayed by the leaders. Our economy was beginning to heal under Trump.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Just the backing off with the puberty blockers is against the self culling plan to reduce population.

There is no plan to reduce population.

If any western country wanted to reduce its population, they could just close their borders and let it take care of itself. They don't do that.

There is no plan to reduce population.