College protesters want amnesty.

originally posted by: JAY1980

It crazy how people like you are so morally outraged by these students expressing their 1st amendment rights. How do you not see you are acting exactly the same as Russia-gaters?

First, is anyone really "morally" outrage? Anyone here think they are? 1st amendment doesn't apply everywhere anytime, so if a University says no protesting the Easter Bunny then they can legally do that on Campus. These students can go down town file for a demonstration approval, go to a public area not infringing on others and demonstrate until they pass out.

Once they start to infringe on other's rights and/or do this on private property etc it isn't legal protesting anymore.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

Progressives have always been fascists in disguise.

That is true. They are very quick to infringe on others for their own beliefs.

a reply to: DBCowboy

It should be okay to want to kill all Jews.

Aren't you the guy who said all Palestinians are Hamas and therefore deserve to die because war is hell?


Don't ever try to present yourself as reasonable again.

"Pick a side"...

I'm old enough to remember when you said that.

The protesters/occupiers/disrupters suddenly realized that they might not be able to get away with their usual posturing and now want to cover their butts. Likely, outside organizers have appealed to the concept of protesting and marching around for a cause, any cause, so they can be admired by their peers. How many of them can label a map of the middle east or even find Israel?
They want to avoid the consequences of their actions and people in Hell want ice water.

Time to suspend them for violating the college rules, disrupting classes, and terrorizing Jewish students who are not Israeli soldiers in battle. They will get incomplete grades and have to retake classes. It will cost them a semester of time and tuition, room, and board and maybe job opportunities. I can hear the wailing and whining already.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

Progressives have always been fascists in disguise.

That is true. They are very quick to infringe on others for their own beliefs.

In the UK we call them protected characteristics, in the US they're called protected classes.

I got a load of flak about 6-7 years ago just by mentioning them because "muh freedumbs" so the pendulum really does swing both ways... Positive discrimination is still discrimination don't you know?

But as always it's just painted out as a political thing that's clearly black and white, I could get a paint roller out and say "all Americans are fascists when it suits their particular bland (reads brand) of authority and ideology" but I know that's not true.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Are you sure you weren't born yesterday with the memory of a goldfish?

Neither was I either

Just freedumb of speech isn't it?

a reply to: 19Bones79

I think I said something along those lines. There's a lot of thoughts going into that, so this may meander a bit.

It was by-proxy ambivalence.

Like in the allied bombing of Berlin the civilian death tolls were a causulty of war. Likewise the 100-250k Japanese, 310,000 in Iraq, however many if Afghanistan. And of course, Vietnam, Korea, Ourselves, The Spanish, French, British, and Mexico.

And that's just for The US specifically, I'm sure "another casualty of military engagement" applys to the 6 Day War, 1967, and any other territory conflict Israel had engaged in.

And I'm sure from the perspective of The Iranian proxy militants that have infiltrated; Lebanon, 'Palestine', Syria, and Yemen, the killing of Israelis while paragliding on meth is also considered totally acceptable casualties of war... just like holocaust was the acceptable final solution.

All Germans were Nazis. All Japanese were Tojo. All Vietnamese were enslaved communists in need of our Liberation from Ho Chi Minh. And if they resisted, then all Vietnamese were Viet Cong.

But in all the subjectivity, and times we went to Vietnam, I think we as a civilized society have objectively refined a "greater good" of "spirit", that while nihilistically meaningless, says the Nazis were more evil than the allies, like the Iranian proxy states are more evil than Israel.

While my Zionist subjectivity goes into that neat little bit of rationalization, I fell that's why the moderate (by historical standard) rate of civilian casualty in Gaza is MORE justifiable than taking drugs and slaughtering sleeping families in a melee. Even if the numbers don't line up eye for an eye.

And if you can't draw a line of morality between purposely targeting children in their beds, and doing everything possible to clear children out of your planned engagement area, I really cant persuade you.

What's worse, is the actual realty-divergent propaganda is so invasive and slanted against Israel, I can't really argue the IDF has done cartwheels to protect as many civilians as possible with any effectiveness.

I just prattle on that I feel Israel is on the honorable side of that humanity-defined greater good.

a reply to: Degradation33

Like in the allied bombing of Berlin the civilian death tolls were a causulty of war. Likewise the 100-250k Japanese, 310,000 in Iraq, however many if Afghanistan. And of course, Vietnam, Korea, Ourselves, The Spanish, French, British, and Mexico.

And that's just for The US specifically, I'm sure "another casualty of military engagement" applys to the 6 Day War, 1967, and any other normal run-of-the-mill territory conflict Israel had engaged in.

Those are just words without prior explanation and going into depth about how the deaths occurred including the available technology and the state of conflict.

For instance the Iraqi death count was based on "violent deaths" upon the death certificates, the numbers seemingly vary considerably (lots of that eh?) depending on who you ask but it's safe to say it's entirely disingenuous all those deaths are due to direct military conflict.

International Humanitarian Law under the Geneva convention wasn't established during WW2 so I've always wondered why people mention the likes of Dresden, London or even France when it comes to accidentally or indiscriminately messing up civilians.

I also have to laugh at any insinuating that Hamas are a legitimate government with a legitimate military wing when it suits the flavour of the day. They're not and have always been treated as some weird quasi authority full of mad hatters and druggies.

The propaganda is clearly rife and absolutely lifting/stinks on both sides.

a reply to: RAY1990

I don't like looking at things in the specific context people want me to on polarizing issues.

Palestine (in Gaza) is an Iranian proxy territory. My criteria for insinuating that is; like mind to Hamas Charter, military and financial support, like STATED goal to eradicate Israel.

So if anything, via Hamas-sympathizers elected to the "Palestinian" Parliment, Iran has a controlling interest within internationally recognized Israel Territory. Which makes it an internal threat to Israel's sovereignty and security because...

...Israel's 1967 conquest left them as a The Occupying Power.. Which means it's legally now theirs.

At worst, they've fallen short of their duties, and there are mounds of examples of ISRAEL violating international law as an occupying power. Or so is the narrative of it all. But if the occupying power deems something a threat, they can approach it with their security in mind.

The occupying power has the duty to ensure that the adequate provision of food and medical supplies is provided, as well as clothing, bedding, means of shelter, other supplies essential to the survival of the civilian population of the occupied territory, and objects necessary for religious worship

By allowing safe passage of civilians and humanitarian aid, they have done all they need to legally do as an occupying power dealing with an insurgent threat. The engagement related war crimes have yet to be sorted out. And no occupying power is immune from those.

Also, since when does anyone care what The Hague says? They have been reduced to the SEC of War Crimes. Something to appease, but not take too seriously.

a reply to: RAY1990

Gaza might be on maps but what really matters is who runs them, Guantanamo Bay is technically Cuban soil,

Correction: It's on the island of Cuba but Guantanamo is and always has been American soil.

And we'll never relinquish it nor should we.

originally posted by: YouCanCallMeAl
went down
to the
demonstration
to get my
fair share
of abuse

'Atta boy!

a reply to: FlyersFan

Germany 1938 is unfolding in America right now.

This is slightly exaggerated. 1938 German Jews didn't have their own nation-state, they didn't have one of the most powerful militaries in the world and they didn't have the full support and backing of the US government including a multi billion dollar war chest.

These kids are supporting Hamas and are calling for the expulsion of Jews. Not acceptable. Protest something that affects us as a nation because this is not it.

So, is there going to be a Ashli Babbitt tonight and how will it be treated?

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat
a reply to: RAY1990

Gaza might be on maps but what really matters is who runs them, Guantanamo Bay is technically Cuban soil,

Correction: It's on the island of Cuba but Guantanamo is and always has been American soil.

And we'll never relinquish it nor should we.

You should probably look into that because your own nation recognises "The Republic of Cuba" as the ultimate sovereign of that land, it's leased.

I could be sarcastic about American imperialist ambitions and the common sentiment about "bringing the troops home" but I won't. I mostly mentioned it because it's a place the US abuses universal rights and even it's own constitution if it's to be considered US soil.

a reply to: Degradation33

We can argue till the dilapidated cows come home and eat the rest about Israel fulfilling it's duties and even the legitimacy of Hamas. Seems a bit pointless to me.

My point was mostly about war dead and the internationally agreed definitions of things. Wasn't your nation a founding member of the UN and instrumental in the creation of the documents formed under let's say the Geneva convention? I mean, I don't follow the Hague on twitter and the UN was hardly the one I was scrutinising. I also don't really care what they say.

It's a fossil that's clearly lost it's dentures, that doesn't stop the founding members or any other for that matter working their way around things they've agreed to and even codified within their own laws.

Why the CAPITALS? There's nothing wrong with my comprehension and I find it ridiculous that I have to repeat my views on what I consider the illegitimate so called leaders of the Gaza strip or any other so called authority that systemically abuses human rights, I don't pick sides and I loathe nearly all so called authority figures. Especially when they pick and choose the rights and laws they'll apply to 'the peasants'.

But yeah "deaths ain't that bad because Dresden and Nagasaki" will forever be a poor excuse in this uneducated mind.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: YourFaceAgain

Yeah terrorism usually appeals to desperate people, so does extremism. Human psychology isn't all that difficult to understand.

I'm not a fan of human rights abuses so naturally I'm not a fan of Hamas. An eye for an eye makes the world go "ouch!".

An eye for.an eye was meant to be a type of indemnification for a wrong espoused on another person. The result was to try and teach to think before you act...an early version of Karma..andnhere we sit today...the world still not.leaning.from the most basic of principles.
The hearts will bleed and the snowflakes will melt...ehrn will it be enough?

a reply to: Degradation33

1000+ expulsions throughout history tends to indicate the opposite although the official narrative worldwide is that they were never at fault.

They have a perfect record.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: FlyersFan

Germany 1938 is unfolding in America right now.

This is slightly exaggerated. 1938 German Jews didn't have their own nation-state, they didn't have one of the most powerful militaries in the world and they didn't have the full support and backing of the US government including a multi billion dollar war chest.

What does the nation of Israel have to do with the young american men and women who are being harassed on college campus all across the US just for being Jewish?

a reply to: Dandandat3

um....they're Jewish. That's their crime, their "cross to bear" so to speak.
I do enjoy folks denouncing racism, then screaming about those damn Jooooooos. It's a litmus test for idiocy and it works swimingly.

a reply to: Dandandat3

I'm pointing out that the comparison between 1938 Jewish Germany and current events in America is an exaggeration. The insinuation is there's going to be another Holocaust. Jewish people in 1938 Germany had zero protection. But Jews are no longer the underdog. Israel has grown to become one of the world's 'top dogs' and as Israel's closest ally, the US would never allow anything like the Holocaust to happen on this soil. Israel would never permit it. The Israeli government has already pressured our officials to crack down on protests. Riot police have been disbursed, military may be next. Jews are a protected class. Compared to other minority groups in the US who've also severely suffered from the results of racism, specifically Native Americans and African Americans, Jewish people have way more protections put in place to insulate them from hate crimes, particularly anything compared to the Holocaust. If internment camps become a thing in this country, we will probably ALL be sent there.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
I'm pointing out that the comparison between 1938 Jewish Germany and current events in America is an exaggeration.

Nope. This is how the slaughter in Germany started. And if the country isn't careful, and if the country doesn't crack down on the threats and intimidation, then killings will be next. That's the natural progression of this kind of thing. "Protections" or not.