Gov Kristi Noem Shot and Killed "Less Than Worthless Dog" and a 'Smelly Goat

a reply to: Athetos

Exactly!

I am appalled at people who treat their animals like or better than their children.

I was at a party once and a couple was there that had three grown kids running around like banshees. Mom and dad were carrying around little bundles of joy and I figured they'd recently had twins.

Nope.

Eventually they unwrapped the little bundles and both were damned dogs.

Somebody called me a "daddy" in reference to my dog once. I plainly clarified that I'd never had sex with a dog so was not its daddy.

This affliction of treating animals like humans comes, IMO, from a spiritual break in the psyche and morality of society. It's easier to "love" an animal than a human. It really requires less commitment and is in some ways safer. (A joke I often tell is that if you want to see who, between your wife and your dog, loves you more, lock them together in the trunk of a car for 15 minutes and see which one is happy to see you when you let them out. There is, admittedly, some truth to that.)

I do not remember anybody, when I was youngster, having the kind of attachment to animals that I see folks exhibiting now days. Something is sick in society, and this is a symptom.

Dogs are not people. They are companions, yes. Service animals (guard dogs, cattle dogs,livestock guardians, blind guides, etc.) on some level if they are really worth their keep. But they are not human.

Now, let the flaming commence!

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What's that movie where they have to put down the rabbit dog? To kill a mockingbird? Old yeller? Prolly a bunch of movies like that.

C'mon people, Obama ATE a dog, talked about it in a book, and still won the white house.

This is going to sound heartless, but I grew up in a world where if a dog displayed certain temperments that could not be recitified, they were put down so they wouldn't continue to bite people, children, attack other animals etc.

Folks seem to have no problem giving humans with similar pathological behaviors the Death Penalty, but for some reason if an animal is displaying the same aggressive tendancies over and over, they get all sentimental.

Sometimes you have to put an animal down.

Sorry, but nature is cruel and life isn't fair.

a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

No disagreement with me here.

Where I live if your dog chases a deer, you shoot it.

If your dog starts eating chickens, you shoot it.

If your dog takes a fondness to tipping over and eating out of the trash can, you shoot it.

If your dog bites your kid, you shoot it.

I consider someone who takes their dog to a vet and have it put down a coward.

You are their owner.

Act like it and own the situation.

I am mystified about this topic.

I understand that there are people out there that now hold their dog in higher esteem than their own child.

I just don't understand them.

~shrug~

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
This is going to sound heartless, but I grew up in a world where if a dog displayed certain temperments that could not be recitified, they were put down so they wouldn't continue to bite people, children, attack other animals etc.

Folks seem to have no problem giving humans with similar pathological behaviors the Death Penalty, but for some reason if an animal is displaying the same aggressive tendancies over and over, they get all sentimental.

Sometimes you have to put an animal down.

Sorry, but nature is cruel and life isn't fair.

It doesn't sound heartless at all.

It sounds sane.

a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

This affliction of treating animals like humans comes, IMO, from a spiritual break in the psyche and morality of society. It's easier to "love" an animal than a human. It really requires less commitment and is in some ways safer. (A joke I often tell is that if you want to see who, between your wife and your dog, loves you more, lock them together in the trunk of a car for 15 minutes and see which one is happy to see you when you let them out. There is, admittedly, some truth to that.)

I feel it's the opposite. When people lose their connection to the other living creatures on this planet and even with nature, itself, they are the ones who are spiritually disconnected and broken. Apathy is the beginning of the moral breakdown of society. With that said, I don't necessarily condone treating animals better than humans but I don't condemn it either. Some people are able to connect easier with animals than humans. Animals can offer something humans usually don't--- loyalty and unconditional love. People who've been abused often turn to animals as they've lost their trust in humans. Humans can be monsters.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

This affliction of treating animals like humans comes, IMO, from a spiritual break in the psyche and morality of society. It's easier to "love" an animal than a human. It really requires less commitment and is in some ways safer. (A joke I often tell is that if you want to see who, between your wife and your dog, loves you more, lock them together in the trunk of a car for 15 minutes and see which one is happy to see you when you let them out. There is, admittedly, some truth to that.)

I feel it's the opposite. When people lose their connection to the other living creatures on this planet and even with nature, itself, they are the ones who are spiritually disconnected and broken. Apathy is the beginning of the moral breakdown of society. With that said, I don't necessarily condone treating animals better than humans but I don't condemn it either. Some people are able to connect easier with animals than humans. Animals can offer something humans usually don't--- loyalty and unconditional love. People who've been abused often turn to animals as they've lost their trust in humans. Humans can be monsters.

I see you haven't really ever bothered to have a one on one with Mother Nature.

She's actually quite a bitch and doesn't tolerate opinions like yours.

a reply to: Lumenari

Maybe if you have that much intolerance toward animal behavior, you shouldn't own animals.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

This affliction of treating animals like humans comes, IMO, from a spiritual break in the psyche and morality of society. It's easier to "love" an animal than a human. It really requires less commitment and is in some ways safer. (A joke I often tell is that if you want to see who, between your wife and your dog, loves you more, lock them together in the trunk of a car for 15 minutes and see which one is happy to see you when you let them out. There is, admittedly, some truth to that.)

I feel it's the opposite. When people lose their connection to the other living creatures on this planet and even with nature, itself, they are the ones who are spiritually disconnected and broken. Apathy is the beginning of the moral breakdown of society. With that said, I don't necessarily condone treating animals better than humans but I don't condemn it either. Some people are able to connect easier with animals than humans. Animals can offer something humans usually don't--- loyalty and unconditional love. People who've been abused often turn to animals as they've lost their trust in humans. Humans can be monsters.

I see you haven't really ever bothered to have a one on one with Mother Nature.

She's actually quite a bitch and doesn't tolerate opinions like yours.

You hit the nail on the head there!

I recently saw a screen cap from a twitter feed.

PETA had a post where they said that even fish have feelings, so we shouldn't eat fish.

Somebody responded with a comment about why, then, can fish eat fish but we can't eat fish.

The respondent was blocked.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: Lumenari

Maybe if you have that much intolerance toward animal behavior, you shouldn't own animals.

Maybe if you have that much trust in an affection for animal behavior, you should go live with some dogs in a kennel for a few weeks.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

I feel it's the opposite. When people lose their connection to the other living creatures on this planet and even with nature, itself, they are the ones who are spiritually disconnected and broken. Apathy is the beginning of the moral breakdown of society.

No, that is not "the opposite." It's exactly what I said. This is a soul-sickness in humanity.

With that said, I don't necessarily condone treating animals better than humans but I don't condemn it either. Some people are able to connect easier with animals than humans. Animals can offer something humans usually don't--- loyalty and unconditional love. People who've been abused often turn to animals as they've lost their trust in humans. Humans can be monsters.

That was what my "joke" about locking your wife and your dog in a trunk was in reference to. But the real healing for this does not happen in making animals a surrogate. The wounds need to heal properly and humans need to learn to connect with humans again.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: Lumenari

Maybe if you have that much intolerance toward animal behavior, you shouldn't own animals.

Perhaps if you want to understand what nature is actually about, do what I do for a month every year. Put on some moccasins and go up to the mountains where nobody has been for generations with a bow and arrows you have made and make do.

Then come back and tell me about all the animals that communicated with you, fed you and helped you on your journey.

I'd be fascinated to hear about it.

a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

Like humans, domesticated animals who've been abused and neglected also lose trust and behave accordingly. That's not the animal's fault. It's the failure of cruel, apathetic, abusive people.

a reply to: Lumenari

I grew up on a farm in Kansas & worked Backcountry trails in Yosemite. Maybe that counts idk

What is more humane than shooting? Euthanasia? Why?

Isn’t shooting to the head instant? Cows are killed by a bolt gun for slaughter and it’s the same thing without the boom.


a reply to: chiefsmom

a reply to: ForReal

I had a girlfriend many years ago whose father bought a calf every year and fattened it up in a pasture behind their house. After the appropriate amount of time, he had it slaughtered and packaged for the freezer.

She said that he was the only person in the family who'd eat the meat as the women in the house (mama and all daughters) got too attached to the animal and couldn't.

Funny, that. They'd eat meat bought from the store but not from this one. Kind of dumb.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

I have a friend who is the very definition of the New Age Valley Girl. She's bright, positive, cheerful and radiates Golden Light.

A few years ago, my old apartment became infested by an invasion of Bedbugs from an unknown source.

I was telling her about how horrible it was, the bites on my arm burning like the fire of a thousand suns and no creams or injections woudl allievate the pain....they were breeding in the knotholes of our Antique bed and we had to throw all our used furniture out, bag all out bedding and clothing, and essentially live on an air mattress in the living room for several months while we went through the Extermination Process with a local Pest Control Company.

I love her dearly, but she became emotional that we were killing the BedBugs that had infested our home, and started sending me pages and pages of information claiming that BedBugs had "a right to life because they were part of the Sacred Order of Living Things" and that exterminating them was heartless and cruel.

Look, I understand where she's coming from, but there's a point and a limit to compassion for all living things.

I'm not going to let a tick continue to feed on me and lay it's eggs on my person.

I'm not going to forgo riding my hair of Lice (god forbid that happens) because "they're sacred lifeforms just trying to survive".

I'm not going to let my pets be infested with parasites that threaten their health just because "that's just how nature rolls".

Heartworms, tapeworms, etc...are not at the same level as Higher Life Forms.

Sorry, not sorry.

I eat meat, I wear leather, and I'm firmly committed to using every part of the animal that gave it's life that I might live.

People are becoming such pushovers that they're destroying viable Social Ecosystems trying to achieve an impossible Utopia.

They look the other way because it's not happening in their own backyards, and they could care less about homeless encampments.

But oh no the poor animals! Putting down a violent doggie is INHUMANE!

Ugh.

Eat a Hippie, Save the Planet.

I had to put a dog down one time, my dad put down dogs a few times too. If a dog gets crabby and you cannot trust it anymore, and it is possible that it will bite someone, it needs to be put down. You can take it to the vet and spend a hundred fifty bucks and put it into fear because they do not trust vets...or you can take it for a walk in the woods and shoot it for less than a buck, making sure to kill it as fast and humanely as possible. It is not easy to do this, but sometimes it is necessary. You need to bury the dog too, in the woods, not have it shipped to the dump like vets often do. If I were a dog, I would rather have someone that cares about me put me down than a perfect stranger.

The wife and I agree on one thing, we will not have our pets put down at the vets, we take care of them at home till they die. We have a gold fish that got a ruptured float bladder and we were not going to kill it, it can't get to the top and can't swim upright for more than thirty seconds, but it is accustomed to it's handicap and if we had got rid of it when it happened, we would not have had to feed it for the last twenty two months. Occasionally I put my hand in the tank and it goes into my hand and I cradle it at the top with my own hand cupped so it can feel normal. It is not a threat to anyone, it does not have to die. I would not want my family to put me down if I got crippled, so since that fish is part of our family, we are caring for him or her till it dies.

The vets always want us to put down the cats when stuff happens to them...no way, the last three died with me petting them when it was their time to go. The vet told us we should put down our outside cat because it was all crippled, we brought it in and told him no, we will keep her till she dies. Well, she licked the mildew off the basement walls that was growing on the bottom and she got back to normal within a month. she did great for about three years, she was twenty one and a half when she did die. I designed some supplements to help her out, giving a sprinkle on the food every day and she had way more energy than the cats half her age up until a couple of months before she died. We cherished the time she spent with us in the house, she was clean and healthy for about two years and ten months after the vet said she should be put to sleep.


If your dog needs to be put down, You should do it yourself if you can or find a friend who knows the dog to do it with you there to experience it. I have no problem with what the governor did. If I still had a dog with problems, I would not have the vet do it, I would feel obligated to do it...it is my obligation to the dog. I will not judge someone for shooting their dog if it needs to be gone but I also do not think that we should just do it because we do not like the dog, if the dog is a good dog, maybe giving it to the humane society to try to put up for adoption is a great option. A lot of old people have pets that are killed because nobody wants them and I do not agree that a healthy and friendly trustworthy dog or cat should be put to sleep if possible. In the case of the governor, that dog could not be trusted around other animals and I suspect it might attack kids too. I do not know all that went on so I will not judge her for putting it down. Some dogs are just mean like some people are.

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

Well...I didn't say that humans should literally sacrifice themselves to the natural world so the natural world can survive. The natural world shouldn't dominate. There should be balance. My point is when people lose compassion for the natural world, they become... inhuman...in my eyes. Every problem we encounter in the world is the result of imbalance. Human fault. We are surrounded by the legacy of our sin.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Whats the problem? Animals have to be put down everyday across America due to a bad temperament. You know how many horses are also put down by folks for being dangerous?

Animals are like people, sometime they go nuts too. Unfortunately there really is not an industry that invests in resources for crazy ass animals, so they get put down instead.

It may seem cruel to urban dwellers, it is quite common in the rural or smaller town communities. If we can put a dog down because it has a physical disability, we should not have an issue with a feral behaving aggressive dog being put down, or goat or a horse.

I have a biased opinion though, I don't even see the problem with dog fighting. Yea I know, flame me away. Just don't use that flame thrower robot dog, the irony would be too much.