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originally posted by: Consvoli
. Nobody else has made the argument you have just made i.e socialists source so the poll isn't valid...
You need to come up with better arguments.
originally posted by: gortex
Sad to see Americans advocating surrender.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Consvoli
. Nobody else has made the argument you have just made i.e socialists source so the poll isn't valid...
Because nobody bothered to look at the source. I did. It's a far left source funded by George Soros and with people who work for Salon and Think Progress and Media Matters. For crying out loud ... Mother Jones praised it. It's a far left leaning source. The site is a 'blame America first' site.
And I didn't say it 'wasn't valid'. I said it was biased and suspect. You have to have other sources that back it up in order for it to be believed.
You need to come up with better arguments.
No I don't. Not even a little bit. My statement is just fine and rock solid.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Consvoli
Do you imagine 70% of Americans would want to enter into peace talks if it was your nation Putin had invaded and stolen 18% of the land?
The answer is probably not eh?
You don't make deals or capitulate where scum like Putin is concerned.
Because if you give him an inch he will take 28,743 sq miles.
Freedom to Ukraine and down with the Russian scum invaders.
originally posted by: lincolnriley
It's amusing how the pro war crowd are generous with other people's money and other families sacrificing their children as cannon fodder. 99.9% of them have sent zero dollars of their own personal money and wouldn't last a day in a combat zone. It's really easy to slap a "i support ukraine" bumper sticker on their EV or update their profile pic aka virtue signal but that's as far as their 'support' goes.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Consvoli
Ukraine has lost nothing, and Russia still being held in place by what amounts to farmers armed with NATO toys Consvoli.
The war is continuing and Ukraine is nowhere near ready to capitulate and let Russia steamroll all over the remainder of their nation.
None of which addresses the fact that if it were your own nation you would not be quite so willing to give in to the demands of scum like Putin or his invasion farce which essentially failed on day 3 to meet their military objectives.
What is irrational is to give up your nation down to the whims of Mad Vlad and his failed land grab by my guess.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Consvoli
It's not America's kids and grandkids who are going to be sacrificed nether.
As long as Russia is held in check and Ukraine remains a sovereign nation.
If Russia walks all over Europe through, then you are apt to get properly involved.
If in doubt see the second world war for instance.
You are entitled to your opinion but I will not agree with this.
When so much of your territory has been occupied
and when you lost son many young men in the battlefield and when young men either avoid to enlist in the army or trying to escape to nearby countries then it's clear the war has been lost.
At least to me this is clear.
After a point you just don't continue anymore because of the human cost and the risk of the loss of even more territory.
We agree on this.
The people who are arguing for the prolongation of the war are not related to the conflict. Their kids and grandkids are safe.
One more comment, the west imo doesn't care so much about the Ukrainian lives or Ukraine. They want a proxy war against Russia.
originally posted by: Consvoli
Your statement is an attack on the source because you don't have anything to say about the poll which still stands.
Everything that doesn't fit your argument is renamed as socialist.
You really need better arguments I am afraid.
Poll said nearly 70% of Americans want the war to end. If you have any other polls or evidence the majority of Americans want the war to continue then post it.
This isn't a left vs right argument.
originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: TheMisguidedAngel
- Ukraine handed over its nuclear armoury when gaining independence on assurance that Russia would never invade Ukraine and would in fact act as defenders and guarantors of Ukrainian independence.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
Nope. When someone posts a poll, the source of that poll is always looked at because polling can be skewed to make it look like anything the polling place wants. In this case, your poll is from a group that is backed with SOROS MONEY. That automatically makes it highly suspect.
Jeremy Hunt defends civil service job cuts to increase defence spending
Jeremy Hunt has defended plans to slash civil service jobs to increase defence spending and Ukraine aid, during a surprise trip to Kyiv.
Mr Hunt confirmed the increase will cost an extra £20bn, which unions claim will be funded by cutting 70,000 jobs.
The announcement comes after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak confirmed the UK would provide an additional £500m for Ukraine this year, on top of £2.5bn already allocated.
BBC