American Government to Sanction Israel Defence Force in the West Bank

originally posted by: visitedbythem
a reply to: JAY1980

Read the Koran cover to cover and get back to us.

One problem is that most of us can't read their language and the English language versions have largely been sanitized because it's "Islamophobic" or something to show what they really believe in their own words.

One more thing.....

If God doesnt approve of the sanctions, like he didnt approve the US abstaining from that last vote, you will see the results very shortly. The abstain to vote got us a bridge in the water. It happened shortly thereafter.

Now, be watching to see what calamity will befall the us if indeed the US is angering the Living God.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: stosh64
Blinken noticed the wind changed direction again. Election time, Michigan is crucial..

Gotta' get those Michigan Arab votes to win in November ...

While you are correct, this is very much on topic and clearly the reason for Biden's concern, the funny part is he's never gonna get most of their votes now.

They're not like most American voters. Throwing them little scraps like this isn't gonna satisfy them. They genuinely believe Biden is supporting a genocide (even though it's factually not a genocide) so a couple of token gestures like this and allowing the UNSC vote for a ceasefire isn't gonna appease them.

a reply to: YourFaceAgain

JTA — A survey of US Jewish voters taken after the Israel-Gaza conflict finds that a sizable minority believes some of the harshest criticisms of Israel, including that it is committing genocide and apartheid.

Among respondents to the survey commissioned by the Jewish Electorate Institute, a group led by prominent Jewish Democrats, 34 percent agreed that “Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is similar to racism in the United States,” 25% agreed that “Israel is an apartheid state” and 22% agreed that “Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians.”
source

Recent Polls of US Jews Reflect Polarized Community source

Here's why

Are all Jews Zionists?
Zionism is about the pursuit of an independent Jewish state. The word is derived from Zion, a hill near the city of Jerusalem. But nowhere near all Jews live in Israel and not all inhabitants of Israel are Jewish.
The birth of the State of IsraelFor centuries, Jews have lived all over the world. More than 100 countries have a Jewish minority. Two countries have a large Jewish community: Israel and the United States (both around 6 million people). But out of a population of more than 300 million, the 6 million Jews in the United States are but a small minority. In Israel, on the other hand, almost 80% of the population is Jewish.The state of Israel was founded after the Second World War, in 1948. In the Middle East, in a place where Jews had lived for thousands of years with their Arab neighbours. Because of their history and religion, Jews had felt a strong connection with this region for generations. Many European Jews who had survived the Holocaust, went to live in Israel after the war. Many Jews from Arab (Muslim) countries also fled or migrated to Israel.The United Nations endorsed the partition of the area controlled by the British, then known as Palestine, into Jewish and Arab sections. In doing so, they facilitated the creation of a new state of Israel and a Palestinian state. However, there was significant resistance among the Arab population in the area designated to become Israel.Immediately after the declaration of the state of Israel in 1948, five neighbouring Arab countries declared war on Israel. Israel won that war. Many Arab residents of the region fled the country and many others were driven from their homes. Palestinians refer to this event as the Nakba (Arabic for disaster or catastrophe).The state of Israel’s history, spanning more than seventy years, is marked by conflicts with its Arab neighbours and the Palestinians, who view Israel as the occupier. There is substantial criticism of Israel’s occupation of territories that, according to the United Nations’ partition plan, were allocated to the Palestinians, and of the construction of settlements in these territories.The difference between Zionists, Jews and IsraelisBack to the question. So, a Zionist is someone who advocates for an independent Jewish state where Jews can live in safety. To many religious Jews, Israel is 'the promised land'. But many non-religious Jews, too, value the fact that there is a country where Jews can live in freedom and safety. Nowadays, the word Zionist is often used as a swearword. As a negative label. Many Palestinians and supporters of the Palestinian cause no longer distinguish between the words 'Jew', 'Israeli' and 'Zionist'. That is not correct. Most Jews do not live in Israel. Not every inhabitant of Israel is Jewish; there are also many non-Jews living in Israel. And not all Jewish Israelis are 'settlers' who want to conquer more and more Palestinian land. The vast majority of Jews believe that the State of Israel should continue to exist. But many Jews, both living in Israel and elsewhere, are in favour of a Palestinian state alongside Israel as a possible solution to the conflict. To cut a long story short: although many Jews identify with Zionism, there are still many different points of view. That is reason enough not to mix up the words 'Jew', 'Israelis' and 'Zionists'.
source

Can you show me something similar about Palestinians?

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

So in your earlier post you characterized these people as a "large majority" of Jews, whereas your source calls them a "sizeable minority" of US Jews only.

Your sources both show wide support for Israel among American Jews.

And American Jews are not all Jews, as I pointed out. To say a "large majority" of Jews are "totally against" Israel, you'd have to show a lot of that sentiment among Israeli Jews as well.

You didn't even attempt to address that.

So some pundit or blogger that you listen to tried to mischaracterize those polls as showing that most Jews hate Israel? You clearly got lied to.

Edit: To substantiate what I'm saying above, my bolding:
the claim:

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
A large majority of Jews are totally against the Zionist settler state of Israel

The "evidence":

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture

JTA — A survey of US Jewish voters taken after the Israel-Gaza conflict finds that a sizable minority believes some of the harshest criticisms of Israel, including that it is committing genocide and apartheid.

And, notably, an actual large majority of those polled in that source say that one can criticize Israel and still be pro-Israel.

Q.22 People often talk about being "pro-Israel". Do you think someone can be critical of Israeli government policies and still be "pro-Israel"?

Yes .......................................................................................87 No.........................................................................................13

a reply to: gortex

Minister of National Security Ben Gvir has said the Sanctions are a "Red Line"

Oh no! What are they going to do? Stop accepting our aid?

Gotta' get those Michigan Arab votes to win in November ...

You are off topic.

She is at the heart of 'the topic', just because ignorance and propaganda blinds some people to the truth doesn't mean it isn't the truth.

nevermind. I misunderstood.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: stosh64
You are off topic.

No. That poster pointing out the fact that this sanction by Biden is motivated by political gain for an election is absolutely on topic. In all his years in the Senate, and as VPOTUS, and as POTUS .... Biden hasn't really given a rats backend about anyone in the West Bank. Now suddenly you think he cares? Really? Are you an American? You don't get American politics at all.

I think stosh was agreeing with you. "You are off topic" was meant to be in quotes on their post.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain
I think stosh was agreeing with you. "You are off topic" was meant to be in quotes on their post.

Okay, Thanks. I withdrew my comment.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain
So in your earlier post you characterized these people as a "large majority" of Jews, whereas your source calls them a "sizeable minority" of US Jews only.]

Yeah. That's VERY different. Not even close to the same.

Some other stats

Statistics About Jewish Support of Israel

89% of American Jews say Israels reason for fighting Hamas is valid.
77% of American Jews say that Hamas reason for fighting Israel is invalid.

Jwee kly

79% of respondents felt close to Israel, while 19% did not, and that 72% agreed that Israel, in general, made them proud to be Jewish, while 23% did not feel that way.

More settler violence against Palestinians today has left several Palestinians injured from gunshots and a Palestinian Paramedic was shot dead while treating the injured , the IDF say they are investigating the incident.

The Palestinian Red Crescent (PRCS) said Mohammed Awad Allan, 50, was shot while treating people who had been injured by Israeli settlers.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said forces were sent to the village of As-Sawiya to break up clashes.

It confirmed an ambulance driver was killed, and that it was investigating.

The circumstances of the death are not clear.

In a statement on Sunday, the IDF said troops and Israel Border Police forces were sent following reports of a "violent confrontation of mutual rock hurling that occurred between Palestinians and Israeli civilians in the area of As-Sawiya".

It added: "During the incident, an ambulance driver for the Palestine Red Crescent was killed. The Military Police have opened an investigation."

The PRCS said Mr Allan tried to treat people injured "by gunshots fired by Israeli settlers".
www.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: visitedbythem
One more thing.....

If God doesnt approve of the sanctions, like he didnt approve the US abstaining from that last vote, you will see the results very shortly. The abstain to vote got us a bridge in the water. It happened shortly thereafter.

Now, be watching to see what calamity will befall the us if indeed the US is angering the Living God.

This is how you perceive reality?


All-powerful God, creator of the entire universe came down to the US and with his sigma mindset bashed one of your boats into a bridge in order to showcase his displeasure at career politicians because just sitting on the clouds talking to us would seem like too much of a relationship?


Unless I'm simply not able to understand this in a spiritual context because you can only understand it if you believe that it's true and I don't and so that's why it looks so silly to me.

Huh.

a reply to: JAY1980

What if I told you that Iran had a functioning democracy up until America and Saudi Arabia seeded a revolution in the 50's installing a radical form of Islam known as Wahhabism. Source
This is Iran in the 40's.

that picture is from 1963, not the the 1940's. when the last shah was in charge and definitely wasn't a democracy, the shah was a dick tator. although he did work on westernization / modernizing iran. in fact iran was ruled by shah's for most
of the 20th century. they did have a constitution but it wasn't much more than a roll of toliet paper.

link for the image,

Iranian Women in the 60s

and a link for the shah, wiki cuse it's fast.

After the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, Pahlavi aligned Iran with the Western Bloc and cultivated a close relationship with the United States to consolidate his power as an authoritarian ruler. Relying heavily on American support amidst the Cold War, he remained the Shah of Iran for 26 years after the coup, effectively keeping the country from swaying towards the influence of the Eastern Bloc and the Soviet Union.[6][7]

Beginning in 1963, Pahlavi implemented a number of reforms aimed at modernizing Iranian society, in what is known as the White Revolution. In light of his continued vocal opposition to the modernization campaign after being arrested twice, Khomeini was exiled from Iran in 1964. However, as major ideological tensions persisted between Pahlavi and Khomeini, anti-government demonstrations began in October 1977, eventually developing into a campaign of civil resistance that included elements of secularism and Islamism.[8][9][10] In August 1978, the deaths of between 377 and 470 people in the Cinema Rex fire — claimed by the opposition as having been orchestrated by Pahlavi's SAVAK — came to serve as a catalyst for a popular revolutionary movement across all of Iran,[11][12] and large-scale strikes and demonstrations paralyzed the entire country for the remainder of that year.
Iranian Revolution

if your going to give history lessons you might want to get facts straight first.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
a reply to: Athetos

All I see jews doing what muslims have always done and now muslims are mad.

Why would they become a global pariah state?

All I see is that the West, initially led by the English and French colonies and currently by the USA, are still trying to influence 100 years later in a foreign land.

The demonstrations throughout the world, reflecting the increasingly notable global isolation of Israel and its defender the USA, will make Israel a pariah state for failing to comply with all international treaties and basic human rights. (Even war has its laws. We are in the year 2024 although some may forget...)

This war has killed more children than the last 4 years of war combined.
Unprecedented murders of doctors, health personnel, humanitarian personnel and journalists.

Meanwhile in the West Bank, where "Hamas is not there", they continue to occupy, colonize, kill and expel native Palestinians from their homes as they did 76 years ago.

All of this will make Israel a pariah state worldwide. A large majority of Jews are totally against the Zionist settler state of Israel. Zionists are one thing and Jews are another.

I still dislike pretty much every single Muslim country

You fight hate with hate and that has never solved any problem, that is the result of what is happening in the Middle East.

Your intolerance towards Muslims makes you lock yourself in your own bias and say that "everyone is equal." And for that you only need common sense. Not all Muslims are the same, nor are all Canadians like you, for example.

palestine is a fictional creation of Islamic nationalists who aren't even from the area, there is no such thing as a native palestinian, they are invaders sent to displace christians so they can claim those lands for islam, exactly as they've done from the early expansions into christian and zoroastrian territories, leading to the crusades after almost half of our lands were conquered by Islam, Islam was our enemy 1000 years ago and still is our enemy, stop buying into propaganda painting the west as some evil conqueror, when we have been under seige of Islam for over 1000 years, barely bringing a halt to their aggression with the downfall of the ottoman empire for the last 100 or so years. we shouldn't be relenting because some short sighted sympathy, israel remembers what we forgot and is tired of holding back while Muslims keep attacking them after sighing peace deals that are merely efforts to delay us and israel while they rearm and rebuild their capabilities to attack us.

international rights my ass, they only spout that nonsense because it benefit's themselves, when they are hypocritical warmongering Islamic nationalists using peoples sympathy to further their agenda of conquest of the west, once israel becomes palestine the Muslims will become far more aggressive, there should be no negotiation or concession regarding israels existence. i dont know why our own people are so naive about this issue, seems to be an ongoing problem of people buying into Islamic and socialist propaganda against the west.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
nevermind. I misunderstood.

I just noticed the quote in my post is messed up.
I tried to quote him saying you were off topic.
I said you were on spot on with your reply.

My edit time is passed or I would fix it.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: stosh64
You are off topic.

No. That poster pointing out the fact that this sanction by Biden is motivated by political gain for an election is absolutely on topic. In all his years in the Senate, and as VPOTUS, and as POTUS .... Biden hasn't really given a rats backend about anyone in the West Bank. Now suddenly you think he cares? Really? Are you an American? You don't get American politics at all.

I think stosh was agreeing with you. "You are off topic" was meant to be in quotes on their post.

Spot on, Thank you.

Omar Assad 78, an American Pale who has lived
in Milwaukee for over forty years,
was killed by israeli idf.
One of the many reasons for the sanction.
PH OTO OF OMAR
his photo, typical Palestinian, racists-*disappointed*



Anyways,
Omar was dragged out of his car, zip tied, blindfolded,
taken into an abandoned building, beaten and left in the cold.
Omar was found hours later, after having a heart attack.
www.state.gov...
^Direct link state gov.


FlyerFan >if you want to discuss elections and voting
make your own thread on that topic.
Stop being such a HYPOCRITE,
and as you always say "stay on topic".

originally posted by: visitedbythem
raped all the women and children

Look at that !
shurrrr we believe the embellishment. When pigs fly.


YFAgain >if you post a link, at least keep up to date,
not links from 4yrs ago.
More than 450 rabbis called on President Joe Biden Friday to end the war in Gaza
Link>
forward.com...

posted by: YourFaceAgain
One problem is that most of us can't read their language
and the English language versions have largely been sanitized

Correction,
From the day it was written, people have memorized it word for word.
And never been changed.
Unlike the 14 books from the dead sea scrolls, that were entirely LEFT OUT
(censored) of the COMPILED bible.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
If God doesnt approve of the sanctions,
like he didnt approve the US abstaining
from that last vote, you will see the results very shortly.
The abstain to vote got us a bridge in the water.

If you worship g_ds who kill babies,
or do so,
because you think your g_ds
told you to . . . .
ASP MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH A PSYCHIATRIST ! IMMEDIATELY !

Where do these posters come from OMG, on a day pass ?
When any state says it is OK to murder babies, it is time to treat them
for what they are, murderers and terrorists.
They lie, They lie, and lie


__________________________

originally posted by: ToneD
Stop being such a HYPOCRITE,
and as you always say "stay on topic".

Stating the motivation for Biden to try to make such a sanction IS on topic. All his decades in the senate, all his 8 years as vice president, all his 3 years as president ... he has never truly given a rats backend about what was going on in the West Bank. Now, when his polling numbers are in the gutter in Michigan with Arabs and he could lose reelection, he suddenly cares? Yeah right. The reason he is calling for IDF sanctions isn't because of anything that has allegedly happened there, it's because he wants to look like he's sticking it to Israel for the 200,000 Arabs who live in Michigan and who have said they won't vote for him because of his stand on Israel. That's VERY much on topic.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
a reply to: YourFaceAgain

JTA — A survey of US Jewish voters taken after the Israel-Gaza conflict finds that a sizable minority believes some of the harshest criticisms of Israel, including that it is committing genocide and apartheid.

Among respondents to the survey commissioned by the Jewish Electorate Institute, a group led by prominent Jewish Democrats, 34 percent agreed that “Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is similar to racism in the United States,” 25% agreed that “Israel is an apartheid state” and 22% agreed that “Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians.”
source

Recent Polls of US Jews Reflect Polarized Community source

Here's why

Are all Jews Zionists?
Zionism is about the pursuit of an independent Jewish state. The word is derived from Zion, a hill near the city of Jerusalem. But nowhere near all Jews live in Israel and not all inhabitants of Israel are Jewish.
The birth of the State of IsraelFor centuries, Jews have lived all over the world. More than 100 countries have a Jewish minority. Two countries have a large Jewish community: Israel and the United States (both around 6 million people). But out of a population of more than 300 million, the 6 million Jews in the United States are but a small minority. In Israel, on the other hand, almost 80% of the population is Jewish.The state of Israel was founded after the Second World War, in 1948. In the Middle East, in a place where Jews had lived for thousands of years with their Arab neighbours. Because of their history and religion, Jews had felt a strong connection with this region for generations. Many European Jews who had survived the Holocaust, went to live in Israel after the war. Many Jews from Arab (Muslim) countries also fled or migrated to Israel.The United Nations endorsed the partition of the area controlled by the British, then known as Palestine, into Jewish and Arab sections. In doing so, they facilitated the creation of a new state of Israel and a Palestinian state. However, there was significant resistance among the Arab population in the area designated to become Israel.Immediately after the declaration of the state of Israel in 1948, five neighbouring Arab countries declared war on Israel. Israel won that war. Many Arab residents of the region fled the country and many others were driven from their homes. Palestinians refer to this event as the Nakba (Arabic for disaster or catastrophe).The state of Israel’s history, spanning more than seventy years, is marked by conflicts with its Arab neighbours and the Palestinians, who view Israel as the occupier. There is substantial criticism of Israel’s occupation of territories that, according to the United Nations’ partition plan, were allocated to the Palestinians, and of the construction of settlements in these territories.The difference between Zionists, Jews and IsraelisBack to the question. So, a Zionist is someone who advocates for an independent Jewish state where Jews can live in safety. To many religious Jews, Israel is 'the promised land'. But many non-religious Jews, too, value the fact that there is a country where Jews can live in freedom and safety. Nowadays, the word Zionist is often used as a swearword. As a negative label. Many Palestinians and supporters of the Palestinian cause no longer distinguish between the words 'Jew', 'Israeli' and 'Zionist'. That is not correct. Most Jews do not live in Israel. Not every inhabitant of Israel is Jewish; there are also many non-Jews living in Israel. And not all Jewish Israelis are 'settlers' who want to conquer more and more Palestinian land. The vast majority of Jews believe that the State of Israel should continue to exist. But many Jews, both living in Israel and elsewhere, are in favour of a Palestinian state alongside Israel as a possible solution to the conflict. To cut a long story short: although many Jews identify with Zionism, there are still many different points of view. That is reason enough not to mix up the words 'Jew', 'Israelis' and 'Zionists'.
source

Can you show me something similar about Palestinians?

Those polls are a joke, ..out of 800 people 🤣 I guess you don’t know that the Times of Israel who published that is a far left wing propaganda outlet it doesn’t really represent the truth of Israel in any way shape or form, it’s propaganda. If you think that’s a actual accurate poll… I have a bridge…. Try harder