Israel attacking Iran again.

a reply to: FlyersFan

It's at war against Israel. Make no mistake about it.
And now Israel is fighting back.

Poor Israel , always the victim.

Considering Israel is a nuclear country, it has been very restrained.

Russia is a Nuclear country too , do you think they've also been very restrained or should we all just be popping off Nukes to solve our problems.

Netanyahu and his Far Right government are turning Israel into a pariah state , support that if you must but it won't end well.

originally posted by: gortex
Poor Israel , always the victim.

Pretty much. Continually attacked. Now it's fighting back.

Re: israels unpovoked
attack on Iran's consulate

originally posted by:FlyersFan
I'm not seeing anything on any news

originally posted by:FlyersFan
Now it's fighting back.

When posting
it helps to be up to speed.

btw
posting links from racist hate sites
only shows backward bigotry, admit it.


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originally posted by: ToneD
When posting
it helps to be up to speed.

Yeah ... YOU be up to speed ...
It looks like Israel did NOT attack Iran again.
It was just the one time. The OP is wrong.

originally posted by: ToneD
posting links from racist hate sites
only shows backward bigotry, admit it.

... again says the guy who calls Hamas 'freedom fighters'.
Comical.

originally posted by: ToneD
Re: israels unpovoked
attack on Iran's consulate

Israel didn't attack a consulate. It bombed a building adjacent to a building calling itself an embassy, but that was in fact harboring a head terrorist who was conducting terrorism attacks against Israel out of the building, using it as a shield against Israel attacking him. So it wasn't 'unprovoked'. The terrorist turned the building into a legitimate target

a reply to: FlyersFan

It was just the one time. The OP is wrong.

No , you are wrong.
It looks like Israeli Blue Sparrow missiles were used to attack Isfahan yesterday.

US officials have confirmed to the BBC's partner CBS News that an Israeli missile did hit Iran. US sources say a missile was involved in the attack, while Iran says it involved small drones.

So far, there has been a lot of speculation regarding the type of missile used.

Among experts, there now seems to be a wider consensus in thinking that a two-stage missile was used - and was probably air-launched. Many identify the debris with Israeli-produced Blue Sparrow missiles.
www.bbc.co.uk...

With the Name calling, and denial, posting links
to racist hate sites, you only lose respect;
just saying.

Anyways . . .
What do you think about
jews, in israel denouncing and burning their
own flags ? are you still going to call
them names as a rebuttal ?
Jewish children colectively burn dozens of israeli flags in jerusalem

Question . . .
Should you not be working on rеclаiming your cоuntry
from those who truly cоntrоl it,
instead of trying to colonize others ?

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Same as it ever was.

a reply to: Dandandat3

originally posted by: gortex
No , you are wrong.
It looks like Israeli Blue Sparrow missiles were used to attack Isfahan yesterday.
www.bbc.co.uk...

Isfahan was attacked once, in the one attack Israel did against Iran. I looked at your link and nothing there says anything being a second attack against Iran. There is nothing in any news source about a second attack against Iran.

I think you are confused. One attack. Isfahan was attacked in the one attack Friday Iran time which was Thursday EST USA. There was no previous attack and no attack afterwards. Just one attack.

The premise of this thread - 'Israel attacking Iran again' appears to be wrong and there is already a thread discussing the ONE attack that Israel did on Iran Thursday night/Friday morning.

Unless you have a credible media source saying that Isfahan was attacked twice? Show that it was not only attacked Friday morning Iran time, but another time after that. If you can show two attacks ... go ahead. I won't argue with it.

ATS Thread - Thursday Evening Recording Attack Happening in Iran Friday Morning their time

BBC News
NBC News
The Guardian
CBS News

a reply to: Freeborn

Yet another round of death and destruction I suspect.

Israel has nukes and Iran does desire them, it doesn't necessarily need to make their own either just like South Africa didn't. The same goes for Australia, Saudi Arabia or any other nation for that matter.

Too many interfering know-it-all's wanting to impose their moral code on others.
And too many people not willing to accept responsibility for their own actions and always wanting to blame others.

My main issue is nuclear proliferation, we've already demonstrated how we'll be standing with Israel and it's not like we haven't been trying to tell Iran (and others) what to do for a long time. They've already demonstrated how much they can take the piss when it comes to the various terrorist groups they've supplied.

It's not like western intelligence and special forces are never on the ground embedded with local factions and stuff either, everyone is imposing their moral code and power wherever they can. We're going to stand up for our allies even when they act like absolute idiots, that said Israel's recent response seems to have been on point and very calculated.

If things go big it'll dwarf the screw ups of Syria, Libya and the other two wars we've been involved with. Displaced people are everyone's problem and who suffers when they come here or any other nation?

originally posted by: ToneD
posting links to racist hate sites, you only lose respect;
just saying.

The NY Post, NY Times, CBS News, Daily Mail, CNN, Times of India, Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, The Hill,, The Guardian, Reuters, BBC, Times of Israel, NBC, CBC Canada, USA Today, Fox News are not 'racist hate sites'.

You only lose respect for claiming they are.
Just saying.

a reply to: gortex

there has only been one attack, late Thursday night, early Friday morning. here is a BBC live print reports, if you look at the 24 hr, date and time stamp starting with the fifth page back to one.

very first post at the bottom of the 5th page,

21:39 18 Apr Breaking Israeli missile has struck Iran, US officials tell CBS An Israeli missile has hit Iran, two US officials have told the BBC's US partner CBS News. Iranian state media is reporting that flights have been suspended over several cities, according to Associated Press. Iran has been on high alert after Israel said it would respond to an Iranian attack against it on Saturday night Stay with us for updates on this developing story.
Live Reporting Edited by Johanna Chisholm and James Harness

as you read it you will never see any mention of a second missile strike.

NBC has one very similar, and no mention of a second strike,

Live updates: Israel assessing damage from limited strike in Iran

originally posted by: Ohanka
Gee I wonder why?

Unlike past occurances, I recall Iran launching numerous rockets and drones against Israel a few days ago. Hardly an act of naked & blatant aggression on Israel's part this time.

Thats after Israel killed 5 state officials and leveled the Iran embassy in Syria.

By international law Iran has justification to retaliate. They attacked the airbase the fighters took off from and managed not to kill anyone.

Meanwhile there are 30,000 dead women and children slaughtered by a regime you support

Israel makes it almost impossible for people like yourself to justify their terroristic actions. Honestly I'd just stop.

Or do you wanna bring up Oct 7th again?

Because I'll just bring up the last 60 years.
You really have no excuse at this point.

originally posted by: JAY1980
Meanwhile there are 30,000 dead women and children...

No there's not.


Hamas’ Gaza death toll stats are pure fiction

Wyner’s critique is damning: The daily reported death tolls rise in a straight line, about 270 a day — which makes zero sense, since in any war, some days see far greater fighting and bombing than others.

Plus there’s no correlation between the reported numbers of children and women slain each day (when most kids are surely near their mothers) or between the numbers of women and men.

Also, the ministry claims that 70% of the dead are women and children, while Hamas admits to losing 6,000 of its (male) combatants — which would mean that almost no male civilians have been killed.

The obvious conclusion is that the ministry is just (clumsily) making it all up. It’s definitely not presenting real info gathered from across Gaza.

The graphs and the math are at the link -

Hamas's Gaza death toll is exaggerated or faked, statistics expert claims

A professor of Statistics and Data Science at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, Wyner provided a detailed analysis of the data from the Gaza Health Ministry, which showed that they had, at the very minimum, been doctored – and at worst, completely faked.

Wyner first tackles the total reported deaths, which he shows climbed by 270 plus or minus about 15% every day. This, he says, is statistically impossible: "There should be days with twice the average or more and others with half or less." "The graph of total deaths by date is increasing with almost metronomical linearity," he says – meaning at a regular rate, like a metronome.

"Most likely, the Hamas ministry settled on a daily total arbitrarily," he concludes. "We know this because the daily totals increase too consistently to be real. Then they assigned about 70% of the total to be women and children, splitting that amount randomly from day to day. Then they in-filled the number of men as set by the predetermined total. This explains all the data observed."

He also highlights that by Hamas's own admission, 6,000 Hamas fighters have been killed, which if combined with Hamas's data on deaths, shows that 20% of the total deaths are combatant while 70% are women and children. This implies that "Israel is somehow not killing noncombatant men, or else Hamas is claiming that almost all the men in Gaza are Hamas fighters."

In conclusion, he says, "The truth can’t yet be known and probably never will be. The total civilian casualty count is likely to be extremely overstated.

How Hamas "Gaza Health Ministry" Fakes Casualty Numbers

Here’s the problem with this data: The numbers are not real. That much is obvious to anyone who understands how naturally occurring numbers work. The casualties are not overwhelmingly women and children, and the majority may be Hamas fighters.

Not only do official Palestinian death counts fail to differentiate soldiers from children, but Hamas also blames all deaths on Israel even if caused by Hamas’ own misfired rockets, accidental explosions, deliberate killings, or internal battles. One group of researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health compared Hamas reports to data on UNRWA workers. They argued that because the death rates were approximately similar, Hamas’ numbers must not be inflated. But their argument relied on a crucial and unverified assumption: that UNRWA workers are not disproportionately more likely to be killed than the general population. That premise exploded when it was uncovered that a sizable fraction of UNRWA workers are affiliated with Hamas. Some were even exposed as having participated in the Oct. 7 massacre itself.

The truth can’t yet be known and probably never will be. The total civilian casualty count is likely to be extremely overstated. Israel estimates that at least 12,000 fighters have been killed. If that number proves to be even reasonably accurate, then the ratio of noncombatant casualties to combatants is remarkably low: at most 1.4 to 1 and perhaps as low as 1 to 1. By historical standards of urban warfare, where combatants are embedded above and below into civilian population centers, this is a remarkable and successful effort to prevent unnecessary loss of life while fighting an implacable enemy that protects itself with civilians.

Now Hamas admits that 1/3 of the numbers they have given out as 'dead civilians' can't be verified in any way and they may even be made up (no surprise there).

Federation for the Defense of Democracies

The Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health said on April 6 that it had “incomplete data” for 11,371 of the 33,091 Palestinian fatalities it claims to have documented. In a statistical report, the ministry notes that it considers an individual record to be incomplete if it is missing any of the following key data points: identity number, full name, date of birth, or date of death. The health ministry also released a report on April 3 that acknowledged the presence of incomplete data but did not define what it meant by “incomplete.” In that earlier report, the ministry acknowledged the incompleteness of 12,263 records. It is unclear why, after just three more days, the number fell to 11,371 — a decrease of more than 900 records.

Prior to its admissions of incomplete data, the health ministry asserted that the information in more than 15,000 fatality records had stemmed from “reliable media sources.” However, the ministry never identified the sources in question and Gaza has no independent media.

“The sudden shifts in the ministry’s reporting methods suggest it is scrambling to prevent exposure of its shoddy work. For months, U.S. media have taken for granted that the ministry’s top-line figure for casualties was reliable enough to include in daily updates on the war. Even President Biden has cited its numbers. Now we’re seeing that a third or more of the ministry’s data may be incomplete at best — and fictional at worst.” — David Adesnik, Senior Fellow and Director of Research

“It is important to recognize that Hamas is deeply invested in shaping the narrative that emerges from Gaza, particularly regarding the number of casualties in the war. Moreover, this control of data extends beyond the statistics provided by the Hamas-controlled health ministry, as there is also a deliberate effort to downplay the number of terrorists who have been killed by Israel in the war, potentially numbering more than 10,000.” — Joe Truzman, Senior Research Analyst at FDD’s Long War Journal

I guess no one has read the memo....

Attack Israel and they come back 10-fold... It's a very simple point that everyone seems to forget. I'm sure many disagree with it, but it is what it is, and maybe countries/people should not attack Israel.

Two key points. Jordan and SA came to Israel's defense, and no one in ME is complaining about retaliations. A key point in ME that the West doesn't really understand is if one doesn't show strength then they are instantly considered weak and vulnerable.

originally posted by: JAY1980

Thats after Israel killed 5 state officials and leveled the Iran embassy in Syria.

By international law Iran has justification to retaliate. They attacked the airbase the fighters took off from and managed not to kill anyone.

Meanwhile there are 30,000 dead women and children slaughtered by a regime you support

Israel makes it almost impossible for people like yourself to justify their terroristic actions. Honestly I'd just stop.

Or do you wanna bring up Oct 7th again?

Because I'll just bring up the last 60 years.
You really have no excuse at this point.

AND the colonizer's response . . ALWAYS DENIAL.
There is no excuse, for their lack of knowledge.
They are not . . even interested in upgrading
the standards (homeless, health etc.) of their own people,
let alone saving the lives of any hostages.
(speaks for itself)


Any who . .
There is no point, in reasoning with such
sick minds who have no intellect, and lack critical thinking.
Especially When 139 countries ( more than MAJORITY) stand with
ethics and moral laws . . .
We all are witnessing the genocide of children right before our eyes;
Which ONLY leaves
54 countries as axes of colonializers.

Ethical people KNOW BETTER, knowing
the devil lies.
Only what they are best at,
plain petty, flat-out lying.
They have no shame in lying, even to themselves.



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originally posted by: ToneD
Only what they are best at,
plain petty, flat out-right lying.
They have no shame in lying, even to themselves.

... says the guy who just said these were 'racist hate sites' - The NY Post, NY Times, CBS News, Daily Mail, CNN, Times of India, Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, The Hill,, The Guardian, Reuters, BBC, Times of Israel, NBC, CBC Canada, USA Today, Fox News.

Like you said ... "No shame in lying, even to themselves "

You are comic relief, I'll give you that!!

FlyerF Do you REALLY want me to re-post,
the skin-head links, that you have posted in the past
to support your views ?
(no not the msn links) nice try

Anyone can check your past posts btw.

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originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: ImagoDei
And some people say Israel doesn't want war. It's literally in their holy book that they'll go to war in the end times. 😂

Iran just attacked them sparky, WTH 🤦‍♂️

…name ONE OTHER COUNTRY THAT SAT IDLE WHEN THIS HAPPENED TO THEM.

???

a reply to: gortex
You have a mistake in your title. It should say:

Israel defends against Iran -again

a reply to: JAY1980

Meanwhile there are 30,000 dead women and children slaughtered by a regime you support

Ummmm no there’s not, that’s a blatant lie.