Canadian Police Urge Citizens To Avoid Conflict With Armed Robbers By Leaving Keys At Front Door

originally posted by: Astyanax
It wasn’t based on facts, let alone statistics.

What wasn't? 100,000s of times per year a gun deters a crime from someone. Remove all guns and then people use physical power and in numbers with other weapons to do what they do. We see in other non-gun countries where knives and clubs are used, and physical power dominates. Removing guns does not take the violence out of humans, it just puts a good number of weaker people in harm's way.

Yes, and when you go waving a gun about the place, you become one of them.

Who the F waves guns around, maybe gang members. You would see no guns in my house, and you would not know if I had on on me. What reality do you live in?

That is what people who get their ‘information’ about the world from a screen or a speaker always think. In fact, it’s not the case at all; criminals and antisocial elements are a tiny minority in society.

What percentage? It's not just crimes committed it is the total of people willing to do it if they have a lower risk opportunity.

Not at all. I suggest leaving them to the professionals, as in every other civiliized country on Earth.

When seconds count cops are minutes away, or longer in today's world with the defund police and limiting their capabilities. They tend to be after the fact investigators. I really do not want to be a statistic...

Great talking points that make total sense to even the dense, I would hope.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Astyanax
It wasn’t based on facts, let alone statistics.

What wasn't? 100,000s of times per year a gun deters a crime from someone. Remove all guns and then people use physical power and in numbers with other weapons to do what they do. We see in other non-gun countries where knives and clubs are used, and physical power dominates. Removing guns does not take the violence out of humans, it just puts a good number of weaker people in harm's way.

Yes, and when you go waving a gun about the place, you become one of them.

Who the F waves guns around, maybe gang members. You would see no guns in my house, and you would not know if I had on on me. What reality do you live in?

That is what people who get their ‘information’ about the world from a screen or a speaker always think. In fact, it’s not the case at all; criminals and antisocial elements are a tiny minority in society.

What percentage? It's not just crimes committed it is the total of people willing to do it if they have a lower risk opportunity.

Not at all. I suggest leaving them to the professionals, as in every other civiliized country on Earth.

When seconds count cops are minutes away, or longer in today's world with the defund police and limiting their capabilities. They tend to be after the fact investigators. I really do not want to be a statistic...

I thought encouraging crime/criminals was a crime in its self?

What do you tell the insurances company?
Dont expect them to pay insurance.

a reply to: Xtrozero

What wasn't? 100,000s of times per year a gun deters a crime from someone.

Prove it.

You can't, because they don't – except in the hands of law enforcement. Gun access encourages violent crime; this has been proved in study after study, all over the world. I posted some links earlier.

What percentage? It's not just crimes committed it is the total of people willing to do it if they have a lower risk opportunity.

No it isn't. How can you research or even identify potential but uncommitted crimes and criminals? Obviously, you can't. This is just your personal assumption, based on – what? Self-knowledge, perhaps? Maybe you would commit crimes if there were no guns to deter you, but please don't judge the rest of humanity by that abysmal standard.

a reply to: Astyanax

pickup any gun magazine. In fact, pick them all up, they all post different stories every single month about encounters that were prevented with a firearm. There are also inummerable news story clips of guns preventing crime on youtube, not that you would actually verify anything that questions your personal truth .

I hope you live in Canada, I could use some new furniture. You can keep the gadgets though, I am not into electronics much. For my digital stalker, that last line was a joke.

You’re being woefully dishonest.

It’s when all guns are made illegal to own that access to guns leads to violent crime. See all of South America, all of the Middle East see all of Africa.

Maybe YOU wouldn’t commit crimes if there where no guns to deter you but please don’t judge the rest of humanity by your own abysmal standards

a reply to: Astyanax

a reply to: worldstarcountry

pickup any gun magazine. In fact, pick them all up, they all post different stories every single month about encounters that were prevented with a firearm.

Obviously. Gun magazines exist as a means of selling guns to the sort of people who buy guns. Of course they're full of stories of this kind. They are no more factual than the stories about horny lesbian waitresses that appear in porn magazines. Do you believe those stories, too?

There are also inummerable news story clips of guns preventing crime on youtube

I searched YouTube for ‘crime prevented by gun.’ These are the results I got. There was one video of a harmless-looking teenager with a shotgun trying half-heartedly to rob a store and being put off in seconds by being shown that the assistant had a gun too. It was obvious that he didn't really want to do it anyway. All the other results were about how guns don't prevent crime.

I'm not calling you a liar. No doubt my personal YouTube algorithm and yours produce different results. But precisely for that reason, you have no means of proving your case and, going by how credulous you were about the gun-magazine stories, I'd be a fool to give any credence to it.

a reply to: Athetos

You’re being woefully dishonest.

I challenge you to show us even one specific instance of this dishonesty.

It’s when all guns are made illegal to own that access to guns leads to violent crime.

Gun ownership is legal in most Latin American countries; see here. For a more nuanced exploration of the relationship between gun law and gun crime in Latin America, see here. In fact − and it is true around the world − the harder it is for members of the public to get hold of a gun, the less gun crime there is. You can howl yourself blue denying it, but it will still be true, as the statistics from country after country, and especially the US, make quite clear.

Maybe YOU wouldn’t commit crimes if there where no guns to deter you but please don’t judge the rest of humanity by your own abysmal standards

Declining to commit crimes because no laws restrict me from doing so is somehow ‘abysmal’, is it? What a curious moral code you must follow.

MOREOVER

a reply to: Athetos

It’s when all guns are made illegal to own that access to guns leads to violent crime. See all of South America, all of the Middle East see all of Africa.

For someone throwing accusations of dishonesty around, you don’t seem to care very much about telling the truth. Because the facts, in country after country, prove you wrong.

Look: anyone arguing for firearms ownership to be legal and largely unregulated (as it is in the USA) is always going to lose to the facts. Because, for all the NRA sloganeering, guns kill people. The more guns, the more dead people. It has always been thus and − for reasons obvious to anyone but a bloody fool − always will be.

a reply to: Astyanax

If that's what you think mopping the floor is, you need to go back to your mom and grandma and ask them to show you how to mop a floor. Then again, considering that you thought the interaction with TheRealBeverage was some kind of epic takedown, it's really no surprise that you don't know what dominance looks like.
"You can't even tell the difference"
"I actually can"
"sO yOuRe SoMe KiNd Of ExPeRt?!?!"
Just say you like the way TheRealBeverages a$$ smells. It's okay. It's 2024. No one will judge you.

You do lie. You do misconstrue. You do exaggerate. You do fail to understand basic concepts. You do make absolutely outrageous claims. You do make yourself look like a fuxxing idiot. You do make it obvious that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

I will give you this. You openly advertise your #1 issue right on your profile avatar. "Mind Firmly Closed".

Here is a list of rapes reported worldwide in 2021. The difficulty of acquiring and collating such statistics is admitted and discussed on the page. Nevertheless, the United States is, in absolute numbers, far and away the world leader in rape. And in terms of rapes per capita, it’s at about #17 (out of 118 countries surveyed).

Was this supposed to be a refutation to something? What exactly was the point of providing this data? It is so incomplete that it is actually surprising you, someone who claims to "know what they're talking about before they open their mouth", would even consider this to be acceptable.

On a ranking of countries by ethnic diversity, the USA stands at #90 out of 215 − a bit less than halfway down from the top.
Ranked by linguistic diversity, the USA comes in at 64 out of 215. More diverse than average but not especially so. Many more diverse countries − such as, for instance, Canada, the ostensible subject of this thread − have far lower crime rates than the USA.
The USA is a world leader only in religious diversity, where its position on the chart is an impressive #2 out of 215. Only the Rainbow Nation, South Africa, is more multi-confessional than America.

Did you actually spend any time reading or understanding your data sources before you decided to use them? It doesn't seem like you did. Ignoring the fact that your source is at minimum 12 years out of date and at maximum 21 years out of date, your source attempts to measure ethnic diversity by language similarity. From your source:

In the Fearon list, ethnic fractionalization is approximated by a measure of similarity between languages, varying from 1 = the population speaks two or more unrelated languages to 0 = the entire population speaks the same language.

Trying to utilize any one of these measurements, or even all three combined, to measure ethnic diversity in the united states is nonsense and even the citation for the ethnic fractionalization measurements states this.

It seems like you're under the impression that I've made the claim that the USA is the most diverse country or something. Not sure where you got that from. It also seems like you're under the impression that I made some claim that diversity is the only factor with regards to violence and gun death. It isn't, and I didn't.

As for ‘racial’ (that is, genetic) diversity, the US is #52 on this list of 154 countries. So there’s that; but it is also 75.5% White. Again, Canada is far more diverse than the USA yet has far less crime, violence and gun violence than the USA. So much for your ‘ethnic diversity does matter.’

This is what I'm talking about when it comes to you not understanding what you're talking about, or possibly attempting to intentionally misrepresent the information. The link you provided that you claim measures racial and/or genetic diversity doesn't actually measure racial or genetic diversity. A 30 second jaunt into the source of the data shows that it also just utilizes ethnic fractionalization data. I read through the entire source of their data and at no point does it ever claim that it is utilizing genetic or racial data. Just ethnic fractionalization.

Here's a question. What do you think 75.5% white means? What ethnicities does that include? Or are you one who thinks white itself is an ethnicity? Are you aware that the 75.5% white includes some hispanic and latinos? Do you think it's proper to group them together?

I'm sure Canada does have less crime than the US. The US also has ~8.21x the population of Canada. Canada also doesn't have a lot of the problems that the US has when it comes to things like illegal immigration, inner city violence, intraracial violence, and mental health issues. Although they're working hard on eliminating that last one even further with their MAID nonsense. But their violence rates are increasing pretty steadily and fairly rapidly, and this is very likely to continue.

Not in the statistics on which I based my earlier statement.

I'll give you that. The source you provided doesn't always group gun suicides and gun homicides together(although in some of the graphics it actually does group them together). I do find it interesting that it places the following restriction on the graphic you chose though. "When we look exclusively at high-income countries and territories with populations of 10 million or more, the US ranks first.".....but the dataset doesn't include places like china, russia, etc. etc. I would ask if there was a reason you chose the graphic that you did and chose to ignore the all inclusive list of the top 10 countries ranked by firearm homicide, but I don't need to. The reason is obvious. It doesn't validate your position. But I'm sure you'll come back with some nonsense.

If you actually believed the "american gun cult" was fascist or shading into fascist, and you actually understand what fascism is, you would understand how totally moronic the statement you made was. If we wanted to be fascists it would take no effort. We own the guns.

I will say this. I admire your commitment to and confidence in being wrong. That being said, you should spend some time reevaluating your dedication to your principle. You have repeatedly utterly failed your principle. But with "Mind Firmly Closed", I can't imagine you'll learn anything from this. You'll continue to be an arrogant fuxx, and you'll continue to be wrong. So at least you have that to look forward to

a reply to: MrGashler

Just say you like the way TheRealBeverages a$$ smells

Reduced to playground insults, eh? Floor well wiped, then.

My work here is done.