Acceptable Propaganda & Removal of Filibuster/Judges

Anyways, with the republicans turning the Largest Surplus ever, the Highest Valued Dollar ever, and the Greatest Economy ever into #, the sheep come out to give Bush&Co their first born sons.

Sad, Bill gets a bj, bjs become popular amongst teens. Bush decides to kill 100,000+ civillians in Iraq, dieing(probably spelled wrong, but oh well) becomes popular amongst teens.(Yes, taken from the cartoon in Hustler, but it was pretty damn right)

How is it we went from the Greatest of Everything, anything bad was low or gone, everything good was up and at em, Aton Ant!(old cartoon show, love it) to the exact opposite? If it's good, it's gone, if it's bad, Bush&Co make laws that make anything to stop the bad illegal.

Even worse is that people fear gays more then death, starvation, unemployment, reality, and anything else that matters. Hopefully Rice will run, that way the Dems could have anyone run and win cause no good republican would vote for someone not rich/white/heterosexual/christian/male. Of course, you have the ones who would vote for satan and against God/Goddess/Budda/whatever if satan ran on the republican ticket and God/whatever ran as democrat. Actually, Jesus would run on Democrat ticket, he was the biggest Socialist/Commie of them all.

Clinton didn't preside over the "Highest Dollar Value Ever"! Here's a graph of the USD vs gold:

Originally posted by lmgnyc
The nominees in question are being opposed because they are not fit for office, but perhaps they are all Christian because the majority of all judges nominated throughout history have been Christian. The 205 judges confirmed to the Federal bench during the Bush presidency are predominately Christian. It isn't a matter of Democrats selectively weeding out Christians--nearly ALL or the nominees are Christian. There is no assault on Christian judges or Christianity. It only seems that way because these nominees are bonafide radical lunatics.

Excellent!! I could not have said it better myself. I am really starting to wonder about the "other half" of this nation right now...

You have voted lmgnyc for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Clinton didn't preside over the "Highest Dollar Value Ever"! Here's a graph of the USD vs gold:

James the Lesser, I'd suggest ignoring this poster because they ad nothing to the reality of this thread.

Thank you for responding on the thread, James the Lesser. I agree with your perspective.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Clinton didn't preside over the "Highest Dollar Value Ever"! Here's a graph of the USD vs gold:

Compare that graph with one of the price of oil during those years. I'd say that had more to do with the US dollar value than who was President. At least there appears to be some sort of link.

Originally posted by dbates

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Clinton didn't preside over the "Highest Dollar Value Ever"! Here's a graph of the USD vs gold:

Compare that graph with one of the price of oil during those years. I'd say that had more to do with the US dollar value than who was President. At least there appears to be some sort of link.

Is this thread about Peak Oil or the Value of the dollar? No, it is not. I'd expect better moderatorship from you.

But dbates, thats not how it works. Anything good that happens in your presidency is because of you, anything bad that happens is the dems fault, haven't you been watching Fox News? I mean, WTC bombing happens in Clintons first few weeks of presidency, his fault. 9/11 happens MONTHS into Bush's presidency, after getting documents telling Bush Osama was going to attack the US with planes, and the fact Bush cut millions from FBI Anti-Terrorism budget and it was Clinton's fault some how.......

Anyways, last I checked money is used, not gold...... Also, I don't see people buying groceries with gold bars, gold isn't that popular, hasn't been since the last king got beheaded. Diamonds and Platinum are far more popular. Or maybe should use something useful, like OIL(thanks to dbates who posted that) to value the dollar instead of something that isn't.

Anyways, the Filibuster Record is held by a republican..... and now they are trying to ban Filibusters because they are evil, corrupt, and down-right hypocritical.

Edit: Added something to the discussion with the filibuster record.(held by a REPUBLICAN)

[edit on 21-4-2005 by James the Lesser]

Originally posted by Enigmatic_Messiah

Originally posted by drfunk
RANT we both know there's no hope for people like Edsinger, the only cure is for America to finally go down the drain, then there will be a reality check

And it was insulting that you didn't respect my wishes as the thread author.

hmm where do i start this time...

"I do think your taking this statement the wrong way Enigmatic_Messiah I dont believe Dr Funk means this in a disrespectful way at all, it strikes me as a statement of lost hope and desperation more then anything else. In fact I tend to agree with it, though sometimes I think even a scenario as catastrophic as that wont change the views of some of these people. The mindcontrol runs too deep Im afraid. "

this bloke got it right. it was not an 'insult' at all and i've explained myself many times. You just draw conclusions too quickly by not reading everything, which has been highlighted numerous times during this thread. Finally it wasnt directed to you it was directed to RANT.

Originally posted by Enigmatic_Messiah

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Clinton didn't preside over the "Highest Dollar Value Ever"! Here's a graph of the USD vs gold:

James the Lesser, I'd suggest ignoring this poster because they ad nothing to the reality of this thread.

Thank you for responding on the thread, James the Lesser. I agree with your perspective.

then you wish to collaborate with others who you agree with and exclude my conservative friend here from the conversation when he was trying to bring something constructive for the thread. Do you believe in excluding foreigners as well as Conservative's from this thread so you hear only what you wish? you'll never find the truth that way...

Originally posted by Enigmatic_Messiah

Originally posted by dbates

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Clinton didn't preside over the "Highest Dollar Value Ever"! Here's a graph of the USD vs gold:

Compare that graph with one of the price of oil during those years. I'd say that had more to do with the US dollar value than who was President. At least there appears to be some sort of link.

Is this thread about Peak Oil or the Value of the dollar? No, it is not. I'd expect better moderatorship from you.

Finally you attack dbates's credibility and experience as a moderator because he is talking to djohnsto77 about oil prices compared with the dollar value.

lets just have a little courtesy and compassion for others in this thread shall we?

thanks,
drfunk

[edit on 22-4-2005 by drfunk]

Originally posted by Enigmatic_Messiah
I'd appreciate only U.S. citizens responses because we understand the political system and our domestic current events better than outsiders. Not that outsiders can't, but it is better for the discussion to have citizens involved in the United States to respond.

This may have already been addressed, but I wanted to throw in my 2 cents on this issue. I think that foreiginers can offer a lot of insight on this subject. It's only recently that the insane wing of the Republican party has made its bid for power like this. Before that it was mainly fringe groups like the Constitution, or Natural Law parties spouting this.

Many Eurpoean nations have dealt with extremist political groups gaining power before: the BNP in England, Front National in France, VB in Belgium just to name a few. They can offer insight on how those movements affected, and continue to affect, the political climate in their own countries.

Thanks drfunk, this Enigmatic_Messiah has been here less than a month and already thinks he's SimonGray or something.

Anyway, currency valuations are a hard thing to compare over the long-term. Both currencies and commodities are subject to political and supply/demand changes that distort the results. However, I think it's safe to say that Clinton did not preside over the highest-valued dollar ever.

The Protestant Churches are chiming in!!!

WASHINGTON - As the Senate battle over judicial confirmations became increasingly entwined with religious themes, officials of several major Protestant denominations yesterday accused the Senate Republican leader, Bill Frist, of violating the principles of his own Presbyterian church and urged him to drop out of a Sunday telecast that depicts Democrats as "against people of faith."

www.kentucky.com...


And, they seem to be serious!!!


"Friday, April 22, 2005 at 11 a.m. major religious leaders from across denominational lines will host a conference call to discuss their joint concerns regarding Senator Frist's planned participation in the Family Research Council's (FRC) Sunday, April 24 "Justice Sunday: Stop the Filibuster Against People of Faith" telecast.
Friday's call will provide a forum for major religious leaders to comment, as people of faith, on Senator Frist's participation in the "Justice Sunday" event. Speakers will include: "

releases.usnewswire.com...

this is really starting to be a little alarming to me. They're attacking rebublican justices that aren't "like them" and well, now they seem to have gotten many of the christain base of supporters riled at them...

anyone wondering if these guys are thinking that they no longer need any supporters? or, that they know that by the time they are done, well, the dems might as well have the power, since they country will be dust, or something?

Frist Says He's Not Interested in Deals



WASHINGTON (AP) - Reacting to a Democratic offer in the fight over filibusters, Republican leader Bill Frist said Tuesday he isn't interested in any deal that fails to ensure that the Senate votes on confirmation for all of President Bush's judicial nominees.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid had been quietly talking with Frist about confirming at least two of Bush's blocked nominees from Michigan in exchange for withdrawing a third nominee. This would have been part of a compromise that would have the GOP back away from a showdown over changing Senate rules to prevent Democrats from using the filibuster to block Bush's nominees.

But Frist, in a rare news conference conducted on the Senate floor, said he would not accept any deal that keeps his Republican majority from confirming judicial nominees that have been approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

link here


the dems should start working to get these confirmation hearings aired on our tvs, lots of publicity!!! then let them confirm their judges if they want. At least the population will know just what quality of judges they are. and just how "christian" of a stand they'll be making while on the bench.

ed. to shorten link

[edit on 26-4-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]

dawnstar that is what I think the dem should do bring all these radicals judges to the public view and then sit back and watch the polls.

Delay is going down the hill on his "finaced trips" and now Frist is going to have his career and shot for the presidency burn as he show his radical colors to the rest of the population.

Well, I personally do not like activist/let-me pass-a-new-law judge, so I tend to like Bush's choices over those of someone like Clinton (which is one of the few things I do like about Bush).

But as annoyed as I get with filibustering, I think it's an extremely important part of the Senate, in that it makes the upper house a more deliberative body, and thus incapable of passing as many laws as quickly as the House of Representatives. This, to a libertarian, is a Good Thing.

What I don't understand about the Republican leadership is that they seem to ignore the fact that, sooner or later, they will be the minority and the resurgent Democrats (or whomever replaces them) will be in the catbird seat, squashing any Republican attempts at a filibuster.

In other words, what goes around, comes around.

However, I find that the "liberals", in their outrage of the Nutso Christians Getting Involved In Our Nation's Politics, are as hypocritical as any "conservative". The "liberals" have, time out of mind, used any religious person, such as the Southern Leadership Leadership Conference (what could be more of a mixture of religion and politics than that?), the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, and any nominally Christian church which favors gay rights, liberation theology, and what-have you, who happened to espouse their agenda.

The bottom line is that religion and politics do mix and they always have mixed, and they always will mix; anyone -- "liberal" or "conservative" -- who inveighs against that basic fact is a hypocrite, scoundrel, or a fool.

Or perhaps all three.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Clinton didn't preside over the "Highest Dollar Value Ever"! Here's a graph of the USD vs gold:

lol thats because kennedy took it off the gold standard (notice the dip in his presidency), printing notes past the value point. that strengthened the dollar. bush has weakened it vs other currencies which is what really matters.