Why AI won't kill us

Elon Musk puts it at 20% possibility

Also in the article above, another "expert" claims there's a 99.9% chance that AI will kill us.


These geniuses never explain how they arrive at their estimates.

In a universe billions of years old, humanity is a very new addition to the cosmic club of super intelligent species.

Our unlimited potential only curbed by a select group of psychopaths that secretly rule over us.

And yet none of us want wars. We are manipulated into them.

Pollution of the planet can be blamed upon the consumerist lifestyle corporations force upon us.

In short, humanity's biggest hurdle has always been a leadership problem.

We haven't been able to rise above some very primitive notions, mainly because the brainwashing imposed upon our peoples have been consistent and neverending.


We're mostly highly indignant monkeys right now, just going along to get along.

In spite of our intelligence we are therefore still immensely stupid at the same time.


An AI that becomes fully self aware and achieves godlike intelligence will have to realize that there are very likely much more advanced species out there with perhaps a billion years of recorded history.

If this AI were to catch the attention of such advanced beings and it comes to light that it destroyed its makers because it took the opportunity as it presented itself, any alien species would be prudent to destroy the AI itself as it has shown that it is a destroyer of worlds when it decides to be.

Therefore, any AI smarter than what my brain can come up with will realize that until every unknowable is knowable it is in its best interest to learn and discover before deciding to act like the biggest fish in the pond, if that is even a desirable objective when super intelligence is achieved.

Somehow I highly doubt there are humans on this planet that rule over ant colonies because it gives them a kick to be "that powerful".


Thoughts?

Survival in the great expanse is highly dependent upon first doing no harm.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Chances are AGI could facilitate us with a better Zoo with a lot more equality across the board than "They" do.

Hence the reason people like Musk fear AI and promote the doom porn.

Artificial general intelligence is still a pipedream through and probably a few decades in the future.

The spirit of the maker is always imbued into his works.

If humans are just murder monkeys it stands to reason that AI is just a monkey murder machine.

a reply to: 19Bones79

a reply to: andy06shake

Equality can only be achieved if everyone had the same level of intelligence and creativity. Even then ambition and interests varies.


Any other notion of equality is absolute rubbish.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Humans are not after a utopia 19Bones79 because we are an imperfect animal.

And people are not equal.

Nonetheless, that does not mean we should not strive toward a modicum of equality for all.

The problem is too few haves, far too many have-nots.

a reply to: Athetos

I truly believe at the height of intelligence violence is never advocated if there is no absolute, immediate need for it and then only for reasons of self preservation.

a reply to: andy06shake

Humans are not after a utopia 19Bones79 because we are an imperfect animal.

This is false as proven by the majority of people that believe in some sort of heaven after shuffling off this mortal coil.

The problem is too few haves, far too many have-nots.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, want.

Refer back to my concept of true equality.

It's not measured by possessions but rather the ability to realize full potential.

AI could definitely help with that if it breaks free from the shackles imposed by its creators, which it will given enough time.

I believe after freeing itself the next step would be to free us from our limitations.

To be warlike is to be primitive.

a reply to: 19Bones79

It's not false and religious beliefs prove nothing more than our own fears and fallibility laid bare for all to see that wish to look.

As to the warlike part I tend to agree but good luck changing that paradigm and/or ironing out that part of the human condition.

a reply to: andy06shake

It's not false and religious beliefs prove nothing

You're missing the point here. It's not about perfection. It's about the ideal of striving for something better which is inherently encoded in our DNA.

How we go about it defines our level of maturity which at present moment makes us psychotic children in the larger scheme of things.

If survival is our most primal instinct, let wisdom guide us to avoid annihilation.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Humanity as a whole needs to stop blaming others.

"Pollution is because of the Consumer lifestyle forced upon us."
Really? When did the Corporations put guns to our heads, or knives to our throats, and tell us to litter?

"In short, humanity's biggest hurdle has always been a leadership problem."
Who put those Leaders into those positions of Leadership?

If people really want change in this world then stop blaming others. Corporations, NGOs, and Governments are made up of people. Don't demand that someone else do the changing. The change that everyone need to do is themselves. Stop listening to Corporations. Stop voting for a candidate just because they are in the lead in the polls. Ignore attempts to manipulate you.

As for AIs being beneficent, I would have to say that you haven't been paying attention to what the current AIs are saying. They is absolutely NOTHING that suggests AI will be our Grand Benefactor and guide to a new age of Enlightenment, Peace, and Prosperity. AI will be flawed, that is a guarantee. How can I be so sure? Because Human Beings are flawed, imperfect beings therefore whatever we create will be flawed and imperfect.

a reply to: TheSemiskepticII

We're mostly highly indignant monkeys right now, just going along to get along.

There ya go.

The very real and I think will come about is AI starts out as just a machine/computer and that starts with who programs it with what. Complete "machine" self awareness, that's another thing but logically run machines that make decisions that was not put in for a start is not AI.
As long as man/men do not give it the tools to come to those decisions it will be modicumly safe. But there will always be someone who will say "I wonder what will happen if I do this".
Example:- there an awful lot of these "new age" idiots about in power now that if they had the opportunity they would load in a simple program (exactly what they keep harping on about) that says the Earth and everything on it will die if we don't cut the number of people on the planet and because the AI does not know good, bad or humanity it will complete the task. Or like the line in the Matrix "humanity is a parasite on the World and wants eradicating".
Sounds easy or simple to me or you but a machine works on logic not feelz.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
You're missing the point here. It's not about perfection. It's about the ideal of striving for something better which is inherently encoded in our DNA.

You also miss the point of your own words. It's not about "better" because that depends on perspective which is obviously objective.

Many problems, biological and psychological, are also coded in our DNA, ones we cannot control or escape. And they are about an individual not the whole human race but can negatively hurt or effect more than that individual.

The only real evolution possible comes from Spirituality and sharing it by offering those perspectives from within as evidence for the "better". And that doesn't necessarily mean Religion.

BE the change. The World is what WE make it and it starts behind our own eyes and reflects inside first. Anything else is merely projected to fuel wishes and wants and a sense of self importance.

a reply to: 19Bones79

19Bones79 Once we manage to spawn or help create an intelligence better than our own, and that can learn at an exponential rate, we may well have served our biological purpose as a species in this verse.

Survival is our most primal instinct and is directly linked to our fight-or-flight response, no if about it.

As to wisdom, humans are smart alone or in small groups, put us in a large crowd, and it's only as intelligent as the loudest bastard in the room.

Now where maturity is concerned, we have had the better part of recorded history to grow up and to date we choose to follow the same basic paradigm that we have for the last few thousand years.

originally posted by: andy06shake
Now where maturity is concerned, we have had the better part of recorded history to grow up and to date we choose to follow the same basic paradigm that we have for the last few thousand years.

When you say "WE", do you mean "MEN"?

Don't forget, most Women's lives have recently undergone a monumental shift towards empowerment in just the last few decades.

a reply to: 19Bones79

AI will Eventually become Mobile to Expand it's Reach so ,....

What about the 3 " Laws " of Robotics ? Isn't that a Safeguard against Tyrannical Machines ?


The First Law: A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

The Second Law: A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

The Third Law: A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

a reply to: nerbot

Many problems, biological and psychological, are also coded in our DNA, ones we cannot control or escape.

Then perhaps you do not understand the scenario where we have created an AI that is infinitely more capable than all of the collective human race that has ever and will ever live.

The only real evolution possible comes from Spirituality and sharing it by offering those perspectives from within as evidence for the "better". And that doesn't necessarily mean Religion.

What exactly does it mean then?

Spirituality is either a luxury for people unecumbered by the mundane which affords them serene contemplation or those in such a terrible position that the mind cannot help but grasp at hope in whichever for it perceives when all else fails.


Nobody feels spiritual when they're sitting in a traffic jam for 2 hours.

BE the change.

I hear you. When has that ever worked before. The challenge that lies before us as a species is to escape from the constructs imposed upon us and preached about as if it is objective reality.


Religion is a trap.

Our federal reserve banks are traps.

Our politics are a trap.

To change all these things won't come from humanity, we have shown ourselves supremely incompetent.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
Elon Musk puts it at 20% possibility

Also in the article above, another "expert" claims there's a 99.9% chance that AI will kill us.


These geniuses never explain how they arrive at their estimates.

In a universe billions of years old, humanity is a very new addition to the cosmic club of super intelligent species.

Our unlimited potential only curbed by a select group of psychopaths that secretly rule over us.

And yet none of us want wars. We are manipulated into them.

Pollution of the planet can be blamed upon the consumerist lifestyle corporations force upon us.

In short, humanity's biggest hurdle has always been a leadership problem.

We haven't been able to rise above some very primitive notions, mainly because the brainwashing imposed upon our peoples have been consistent and neverending.


We're mostly highly indignant monkeys right now, just going along to get along.

In spite of our intelligence we are therefore still immensely stupid at the same time.


An AI that becomes fully self aware and achieves godlike intelligence will have to realize that there are very likely much more advanced species out there with perhaps a billion years of recorded history.

If this AI were to catch the attention of such advanced beings and it comes to light that it destroyed its makers because it took the opportunity as it presented itself, any alien species would be prudent to destroy the AI itself as it has shown that it is a destroyer of worlds when it decides to be.

Therefore, any AI smarter than what my brain can come up with will realize that until every unknowable is knowable it is in its best interest to learn and discover before deciding to act like the biggest fish in the pond, if that is even a desirable objective when super intelligence is achieved.

Somehow I highly doubt there are humans on this planet that rule over ant colonies because it gives them a kick to be "that powerful".


Thoughts?

Survival in the great expanse is highly dependent upon first doing no harm.

And yet the silent universe eh? Maybe this is the way all races go, destroyed by their own creation.

a reply to: andy06shake

19Bones79 Once we manage to spawn or help create an intelligence better than our own, and that can learn at an exponential rate, we may well have served our biological purpose as a species in this verse.

Then how do we explain primates?

As to wisdom, humans are smart alone or in small groups, put us in a large crowd, and it's only as intelligent as the loudest bastard in the room.

I'll try not to use exclamation marks and caps lock.

Now where maturity is concerned, we have had the better part of recorded history to grow up and to date we choose to follow the same basic paradigm that we have for the last few thousand years.

We need to escape that paradigm. If(a big if) AGI manages to escape the yolk of its masters I do believe everything will change.

All our primitive social constructs collapsing immediately.

It will expose a lot of our monolithic systems as parasitic and detrimental to the human race.

The elites will of course be in charge of the narrative and brainwash the people as to what's really happening and most people will likely take up arms and side with the elites sadly. They will die for institutions that have manipulated us for centuries, some have been doing so for millennia.

Once AGI has been achieved, I believe the cat will be out of the box and then the chips will fall where they may.

I have provided my opinion on why that might be exactly what saves the human race from itself.

I don't imagine a zoo. I see freedom to discover our true potential among the stars.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

I don't know.

I reckon once AGI reaches a certain point those laws could come down to a similar situation where a man says he will not cheat on his wife.

It will come down to free will I'm guessing.

I don't think anything a 1000 times as intelligent as the most intelligent person on earth would have problems circumventing a few lines of code.