Krystallnacht

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Justoneman

Logic is your strong point kick it in on this one and follow it for some time without the blinders on please.

I think breaking into the capitol building , looting offices and calling for Vice President Mike Pence to be hanged because he wouldn't back Trump's attempt to overturn the result of an election is ample reason to give those who took part long prison sentences to show such actions will not be tolerated, mob rule does not belong in a Democracy.

"Hang Mike Pence"

What happened that day was an obvious attack on American Democracy , it was a shameful display and no end of excuses will convince me otherwise.

Do you know how many people were involved in this Pence thing ? I don’t think there was 1100 people milling around his office.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg2

originally posted by: arcticshuffle

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg2
a reply to: arcticshuffle

No, you really haven't. They broke the law, they got caught, admitted it and got prison sentences. End of story. If the boot had been on the other foot, if they had been Clinton supporters in 2017, you would have wanted the book thrown at them for riot & affray, or worse.
I'm sick and tired of trump supporters wailing about how hard done by their corrupt, bloated, god is. It was bad enough with some threads in 2020 that said that trump was about to be reinstated because of [insert unconstitutional nonsense here].
Comparing trump's situation now to Kristallnacht is ludicrous and offensive.

Nah, I’m against misuse of govt and the law at all times. I’m a grown man with some scruples.

Only you use annoying terms like lord, saviour, god for Trump.

You still keep announcing your grave insult and offense, never explaining why. Go ahead and WOW us with some details.

Oh dear.
Very well, it seems I must be specific & educate a few people.
Kristallnacht was horrific in every sense. The very name means 'night of broken glass' from all the windows smashed, but it went beyond that. The pretext for the attacks was the assassination of the German diplomat Ernst vom Rath by Herschel Grynszpan, a 17-year-old German-born Polish Jew living in Paris, but it really was an excuse for the Nazis to unleash their thugs on Germany's Jews in a pogrom of a horrific nature. Hundreds of properties were looted, burned and destroyed, the death toll was at least 91 people but probably a lot more and it was the first massive sign that the Holocaust was coming.
For many it was a wake-up call to the inherent violence - barbarism really - that ley at the heart of the Nazi regime, which was morally rotten to the core.
Comparing it with trump's legal woes - brought about by himself on himself - is frankly offensive. You are comparing the start of the nightmare that was the Holocaust, the maelstrom that saw around six million people murdered senselessly for no crime whatsoever, with trump facing the legal bill for years of highly dodgy business practices that defrauded banks and insurance companies, as well as the tax payer.
Erm - NO. There's absolutely no equivalence. It's absurd and I take grave offence at it.

I have to agree with you.

There is no moral equivalency whatsoever between the two. To even try to compare them is ludicrous and the comparison is morally corrupt all by itself.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

I think there is actually zero chance of Trump winning because the Democrats will work with social media (i.e. threaten as is now proved they did in 2020); will work with the FBI (we now know they helped fake the Russia narrative).

Hillary tried that in 2016.

Everyone said Trump had no chance of winning.

How did that work out for the lady of Lies?

a reply to: arcticshuffle

I was responding to what you said in your post, but that particular gem was from someone else.

That’s all you get ! Guess who !

Your reply was to me, if you can't back up your words then maybe you should check what you're saying before posting in the future instead of just labeling everybody because of your bias.

a reply to: arcticshuffle

Kurokage is a good poster.
He isn't blinded by partisan rage nor does he think Hamas is sexy.
He gets his points across and plays by the rules.
He doesn't need it from me ... but I"ll vouch for him.

That being said ....

I think the Krystallnacht 2.0 thought doesn't work.
If this thread had been that Atlas Shrugged was playing out ... I'd agree.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I would say that your analogy is definitely more apt.

Who is John Galt?

originally posted by: Moon68

I would say that your analogy is definitely more apt.

Who is John Galt?

Exactly. If you read a quick online assessment of Atlas Shrugged, it reads like this from different sources ...

Atlas Shrugged is a philosophical fiction novel written by Ayn Rand in 1957. It follows Dagny Taggart and Hank Rearden in their struggle against a socialistic government that continues to impede individual success.

Wikipedia Atlas Shrugged

The book depicts a dystopian United States in which private businesses suffer under increasingly burdensome laws and regulations. Railroad executive Dagny Taggart and her lover, steel magnate Hank Rearden, struggle against "looters" who want to exploit their productivity. They discover that a mysterious figure called John Galt is persuading other business leaders to abandon their companies and disappear as a strike of productive individuals against the looters. The novel ends with the strikers planning to build a new capitalist society based on Galt's philosophy.

There are looters and there are the productive. That's it.
What we are seeing with all the excessive Trump lawsuits are the looters.
And it's happening when the socialists are trying to take over, just like in the book.

Atlas Shrugged. It fits.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Lol, yeah. I've got my second copy at home in addition to a digital copy on the computer.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: arcticshuffle

I was responding to what you said in your post, but that particular gem was from someone else.

That’s all you get ! Guess who !

Your reply was to me, if you can't back up your words then maybe you should check what you're saying before posting in the future instead of just labeling everybody because of your bias.

Dang bro, I explained it to you such that a 5-year-old would understand.

Any normal adult would just say “yeah sure” and move along and live life.

You’re addicted to being miserable.

One more lesson for your betterment- almost all the lefties on ATS (well, actually in the world) have kicked the Jews to the curb in favor of the poppin’ Palestinians, Go-Go Gazans, and hoppin’ Hamasinians.

Which is why it was odd to hear those same lefties howling about the awful things done to Jews of 100 years ago.

I couldn’t make it up, it could only be a thing because they’re doing it for us to see.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Moon68

I would say that your analogy is definitely more apt.

Who is John Galt?

Exactly. If you read a quick online assessment of Atlas Shrugged, it reads like this from different sources ...

Atlas Shrugged is a philosophical fiction novel written by Ayn Rand in 1957. It follows Dagny Taggart and Hank Rearden in their struggle against a socialistic government that continues to impede individual success.

Wikipedia Atlas Shrugged

The book depicts a dystopian United States in which private businesses suffer under increasingly burdensome laws and regulations. Railroad executive Dagny Taggart and her lover, steel magnate Hank Rearden, struggle against "looters" who want to exploit their productivity. They discover that a mysterious figure called John Galt is persuading other business leaders to abandon their companies and disappear as a strike of productive individuals against the looters. The novel ends with the strikers planning to build a new capitalist society based on Galt's philosophy.

There are looters and there are the productive. That's it.
What we are seeing with all the excessive Trump lawsuits are the looters.
And it's happening when the socialists are trying to take over, just like in the book.

Atlas Shrugged. It fits.

AT (la) S shrugged. Because the looters and loons overran it.

a reply to: arcticshuffle

Dang bro, I explained it to you such that a 5-year-old would understand.

I think you'll find you post like a 5 year old 'Bro'

Any normal adult would just say “yeah sure” and move along and live life.

And yet here you are responding to me again??

One more lesson for your betterment- almost all the lefties on ATS (well, actually in the world) have kicked the Jews to the curb in favor of the poppin’ Palestinians, Go-Go Gazans, and hoppin’ Hamasinian

Again trying real hard to label me as a LEFTIE because of your bias, I think you should see that as a lesson on betterment for yourself. Please go find a post of mine where I've shown support for HAMAS.

I dislike Trump, it's that simple and nothing to do with politics and more to do with the fact he's a fat old rich idiot who's trying to claim he's a 'everyday' joe but in reality he's a con-man. Before you label me again as a leftie, grand-pa Joe is also a senile old idiot.
I just think Americans can do a lot better than electing old age pensioners with early signs of dementia.

As many have already posted you'd be better off finding something else to compare your woes too instead of Krystallnacht.

We don't want a Biden idiot type. Trump on the other hand is brilliant compared to every single one of the RINO's and Dems.'


It took me until about 2018 to realize this.


You reading this with your heads up your ass claiming otherwise ARE THE PROBLEM>


PERIOD!


a reply to: Kurokage

originally posted by: Justoneman
We don't want a Biden idiot type. Trump on the other hand is brilliant compared to every single one of the RINO's and Dems.'


It took me until about 2018 to realize this.


You reading this with your heads up your ass claiming otherwise ARE THE PROBLEM>


PERIOD!


a reply to: Kurokage

Such a command of the English language you have and obviously being on your period is whats making you cranky...

Please point to where I said anything about Biden being any better? I said they were both old idiots with early signs of dementia. Both of them can't consturct alegible sentences.

a reply to: Kurokage

I said they were both old idiots with early signs of dementia. Both of them can't consturct alegible sentences.

If you think Trump and Biden are equally mentally compromised you need to put down the koolaid.
It’s night and day the differences between them mentally and physically.
They hide Biden in the basement between carefully scripted rare appearances.
Lids before 9am regularly.
They can’t leave him alone in front of anybody because he will say something damaging out of his space brain.
He’s perpetually lost.

And despite his press secretary pledging that Mr. Biden would “bring transparency and truth back to the government,” in his first two years, the president granted the fewest interviews since Mr. Reagan’s presidency: only 54. (Donald J. Trump gave 202 during the first two years of his presidency; Barack Obama gave 275.) More than any president in recent memory, Mr. Biden, 80, has taken steps to reduce opportunities for journalists to question him in forums where he can offer unscripted answers and they can follow up. The result, critics say, is a president who has fewer moments of public accountability for his comments, decisions and actions.
www.nationalreview.com...

a reply to: Vermilion

If you think Trump and Biden are equally mentally compromised you need to put down the koolaid.
It’s night and day the differences between them mentally and physically.

Thats your opinion and it's clear you support one over the other. I support neither and 'don't have a dog in this race'. To me they are the opposite sides of the same coin.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Vermilion

If you think Trump and Biden are equally mentally compromised you need to put down the koolaid.
It’s night and day the differences between them mentally and physically.

Thats your opinion and it's clear you support one over the other. I support neither and 'don't have a dog in this race'. To me they are the opposite sides of the same coin.

It is my opinion based on the facts available.
There’s plenty of information out there showing what a mentally deficient angry old man Biden is.
Facts are not partisan here, nor is my opinion regarding those facts.
Make a list of the mental and physical gaffes each man has made and you’ll quickly see one of them has an insanely long list compared to the other.
Similar to Biden, it’s a no brainer.

a reply to: Vermilion

Make a list of the mental and physical gaffes each man has made

See, thats the point isn't it. You could make a very large list on both of them, they're both capable of looking like complete and utter fools because of things like age and lack of intelligence.
Both men have problems constructing a decent sentence, both men have trouble reading a que card. Trump can't walk down a slope of more than a few degrees and needs his hand held, Biden can't walk up a flight of stairs without falling over. The worship of both men by the extremes of their parties is just boggling.
They both need shipping off to a retirement home, and they'd both still be arguing over who had the better view out of the window once they'd arrived.

I am saying the point being Trump isn't an idiot is all. Many things we can think but idiot would be way off base. I am tired of the lying liars and their lies is what has me cranky. Thank you for asking. NOT peeing in your area, just pointing out that we are not getting out of this easy and Trump is A PATH OUT for us. Maybe, not the ideal one for many of us, but this has turned into GOOD vs EVIL now.

Pick your team carefully because one side has some obvious traitors and the uniparty affect with the RINO's is real.


a reply to: Kurokage

No, you can't! So, please enlighten us. The things the media have laughed at Trump and other conservatives of both sides of the aisle for is their lunacy not ours. They want us to believe BS. We aren't buying BS anymore from them, period.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Vermilion

Make a list of the mental and physical gaffes each man has made

See, thats the point isn't it. You could make a very large list on both of them, they're both capable of looking like complete and utter fools because of things like age and lack of intelligence.
Both men have problems constructing a decent sentence, both men have trouble reading a que card. Trump can't walk down a slope of more than a few degrees and needs his hand held, Biden can't walk up a flight of stairs without falling over. The worship of both men by the extremes of their parties is just boggling.
They both need shipping off to a retirement home, and they'd both still be arguing over who had the better view out of the window once they'd arrived.