Can Congress Disqualify Trump? What To Know After Supreme Court Keeps Him On Ballot

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: xuenchen

Congress can "disqualify" or convict Trump, but it requires a majority, and they actively declined, twice. I wonder if there's a regulation about how many times the same charge can be filed because the 14th is useless if they have to wait out the cooldown effect before playing that card again.

The "Disqualification" in The 14th says Both Chambers in Congress need 2/3 majorities, if I see it right. 😯

They would Need some MAGA Republicans there for that Motion to Pass . Not going to Happen .

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: xuenchen

The Supreme Court killed efforts to kick former President Donald Trump off the ballot on Monday, ruling states can’t disqualify federal candidates under the 14th Amendment, but the court’s ruling left open the possibility of Congress trying to remove Trump if he wins—and experts warn the decision could lead to a “nasty post-election period.”

This is just stupid. What’s the point of elections if 435 people can veto the outcome?

Why not just have the house pick the next president right now…..

The House very well may be deciding who's President next January. 😎

HAHA
SO now my argument is your argument.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

LOL
Carry on.

Not exactly...

If Trump wins the election, THEN Congress can disqualify him from holding office before he is certified.

Then the Presidency goes to the Vice President, who then will appoint another Vice President with Speaker of the House filling in until then.

We would still have a Republican President.

Let's hope that Trump picks Rand Paul for his Vice...



ETA... this will also backfire on the Democrat party in an incredibly funny way...

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: xuenchen

Ex post facto applies methinks.

Have a peek as I don't have the link handy.

Something called Bill of Attainder may be in play too....

would bill of attainder apply to House Committees like the Democrat Jan6 Committee?


bill of attainder

A bill of attainder is a piece of legislation that declares a party is guilty of a crime. Bills of attainder allow the government to punish a party for a perceived crime without first going through the trial process.

In the United States, bills of attainder are unconstitutional as stated in Article 1 Section 9 and Article 1 Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution. Article 9 prohibits federal bills of attainder and Article 10 prohibits bills of attainder by the states. The constitutional ban on bills of attainder works to uphold separation of powers principles by preventing Congress from assuming the functions of the judicial branch.

a reply to: Lumenari

If Trump wins the election, THEN Congress can disqualify him from holding office before he is certified.

Then the Presidency goes to the Vice President, who then will appoint another Vice President with Speaker of the House filling in until then.

That's an interesting take, but I don't think it's constitutional.

... and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote;

www.law.cornell.edu...

If the body of congress refuses to certify states' electoral votes, so that there is no clear winner, then The House of Representatives decides the winner.

If they are still arguing by March 4th, and can't vote on a President, then the VP (Kamala Harris) would serve as POTUS.

And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President

www.law.cornell.edu...

Let's hope that Trump picks Rand Paul for his Vice...

I'm betting he chooses Greg Abbott.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

A body of Congress is not refusing to certify in the case of Congress removing him from eligibility via a bill or resolution.

A body of Congress is going to vote that Trump is unfit for office prior to certification.

Keep up sweety.

a reply to: Lumenari

A body of Congress is not refusing to certify in the case of Congress removing him from eligibility via a bill or resolution.

That bill isn't going anywhere, and that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm saying that on Jan 6th, Congress members will contest the certification of the electoral votes of states that voted for Trump the insurrectionist. Some Congress members will probably also reject Biden votes for the same reason. If that happens, and there is no clear winner, then the presidential election is decided by The House of Representatives.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Lumenari

A body of Congress is not refusing to certify in the case of Congress removing him from eligibility via a bill or resolution.

That bill isn't going anywhere, and that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm saying that on Jan 6th, Congress members will contest the certification of the electoral votes of states that voted for Trump the insurrectionist. Some Congress members will probably also reject Biden votes for the same reason. If that happens, and there is no clear winner, then the presidential election is decided by The House of Representatives.

Oh, I get your wet dream of another Jan 6th where Democrats stage an insurrection... again.

I really do.

I honestly hope it comes to pass.

But that isn't the topic of the thread... do you need a reminder?

a reply to: Lumenari

But that isn't the topic of the thread... do you need a reminder?

The topic of this thread is Can Congress Disqualify Trump? What To Know After Supreme Court Keeps Him On Ballot. Contesting the electoral votes on Jan 6th, like the Republicans did last time, is a way for Trump to be disqualified, should he actually win.

Even the OP sees this scenario as a possibility. www.abovetopsecret.com...

And, it wasn't an "insurrection" because Congress members were constitutionally contesting the electoral votes, it was more about the violent mob that caused the proceeding to have to be halted and the Congress members evacuated, fake electors and more.

a reply to: xuenchen

This seems to me like scripted theater with the outcome already known.

Nothing will happen to Trump. They've tried to bury the guy for almost a decade now?

If they're serious about removing him from the picture there's only one way to do it but what counts bigly in Trump's favor is his unflinching loyalty to Zionism.

With the world circling the bowl and a promise that things will only get worse Trump is very likely the best guarantee Israel has for their continued existence.

The implications being the US becoming stronger under his policies and normal people having someone looking out for their interests but ultimately he's carrying on the objectives of TPTB which will leave us all in a most precarious situation when he lays down the scepter.

History is dead and there's no resistance because they control all the pieces on both sides of the board.

Anyone who rises to the top that is capable of making a real difference never gets the opportunity to do so.

Do I accept this or remain a sour puss stuck on idealism for the rest of my life?

Time will tell.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Nothing will happen to Trump. They've tried to bury the guy for almost a decade now?

You should have stopped there, every word up to that question mark is a perfect summary. After, not so much.

In our Declaration of Independence it states....

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Those people on 1/6 had the right to be there. In fact, the more I have thought about it and even though I disagree in how they did it, it is the peoples house.

Congress is out of control. So is the office of the POTUS since Obama took office.

Interesting article here: The Supreme Court Just Delivered a Rare Self-Own for John Roberts

If what the chief justice and the other justices in the majority were trying to do was to impose some finality on the Trump disqualification question and to avoid “chaos,” as they said, they left open a huge question mark about Jan. 6. And in doing so, the majority was the one that turned the national temperature up. It will remain up.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Interesting article here: The Supreme Court Just Delivered a Rare Self-Own for John Roberts

If what the chief justice and the other justices in the majority were trying to do was to impose some finality on the Trump disqualification question and to avoid “chaos,” as they said, they left open a huge question mark about Jan. 6. And in doing so, the majority was the one that turned the national temperature up. It will remain up.

Jan6 wasn't the issue in the case. The issue was "Authority".

The Court decided not to legislate from the bench. 😎

Null & Void

a reply to: xuenchen

You didn't read the article. That's okay. But It's not talking about 6th, 2021. It's talking about Jan 6th, 2025.

The majority did not explain how far its holding goes. Is congressional legislation always required to enforce Section 3? There’s not a mention of the elephant in the room, which is what happens on Jan. 6, 2025, when Congress counts electoral votes. Can Democrats opt to not count votes for Trump on the grounds that he’s an insurrectionist? Would that require a prior statute? Or is the power to disqualify when counting Electoral College votes something within Congress’ powers under the 12th Amendment, separate from the rules on statutes? If it’s under the 12th Amendment, is it not subject to judicial review? Could Congress by statute otherwise disqualify Trump after the election?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Jan6 2025 wasn't the issue either. Authority was.

They didn't legislate from the bench like some wanted.

⚖️🚬

a reply to: xuenchen

Hay, it's your thread, but I thought it was about whether or not Congress can still disqualify Trump. It appears they might try on an 6th, as there seems to be a way there, as the article I linked explains in detail.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: xuenchen

Hay, it's your thread, but I thought it was about whether or not Congress can still disqualify Trump. It appears they might try on an 6th, as there seems to be a way there, as the article I linked explains in detail.

Fantastic. 😊 It'll be wild and nuts

They might need Michele Rodriguez to drive the getaway car!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: xuenchen

Hay, it's your thread, but I thought it was about whether or not Congress can still disqualify Trump. It appears they might try on an 6th, as there seems to be a way there, as the article I linked explains in detail.

And the Court doesn't need to create new laws that already exist 😁

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: xuenchen

Hay, it's your thread, but I thought it was about whether or not Congress can still disqualify Trump. It appears they might try on an 6th, as there seems to be a way there, as the article I linked explains in detail.

And the Court doesn't need to create new laws that already exist 😁

They don't need to, but they do, all the time.
Corporations are people, my friend.