Shocking poll reveals that 37% of Americans believe in creationism

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: LSU2018

But we learned a lot when that comet crashed into it?

Well, lots of folk did. Apart from you?

Did we learn what the surface was made up of like I've been asking?

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Degradation33

I have my doubts about Jupiter. Has anyone ever sent a craft to its surface to see that most of the planet is made of gases? For all we know, the surface is normal.

Based on?
Your creationist and religious views?
Do you consider start reading science even at the basic level?

Planets and their makeup aren't mentioned in religion, you wanna try again? Where's the proof of the makeup of Jupiter, a satellite picture?

Is this a genuine question or you are trying to troll the entire universe?

So you are denying further some basic science? This is basic information children learn at school.

Asking for proof for established facts when you offer religious faith in exchange. Do you see the irony?

Oh I see irony alright....

Show me some pictures of Jupiter's surface, hot shot.

Why don't you ask Harvard or Princeton.
Is this a new low? ---Show me pictures of Jupiter's surface.

Why don't you ask NASA or easier to visit their website.

How does this support your view of creationism?

NASA has shots of Jupiter's atmosphere from orbit, nothing on the surface and therefore no idea what it's made of. Do better.

The only person here who has been obsessed with creationism and talking about it over and over is you. I don't have to prove it, I'm not 25 pages deep calling you uneducated for not believing in it, nor do I care if you believe in it. You're 25 pages deep still trying to pass off a theory as an absolute because some peer reviewed article said so. Do I think science and education has failed you? Absolutely, and made you think you're smarter than everyone else, I just don't care enough to try to push it in your face.

So you keep claiming NASA has no idea of what Jupiter's surface is made of. I think NASA and the rest of the scientific world will disagree with you.

Do you think we need to go near the sun to find out what it is made of. Don't you think there are other ways we can deduce soms information?

You believe what science says, without proof, yet you think creationism is a lie because there's no proof.

Yes, science is your religion.

I also couldn't care less if NASA and scientists don't agree with me. They have photos, of a planet, and claim to know what the surface of that planet is made of. In reality, they have an idea of what they believe the surface of Jupiter is made of. With where we're at with technology today, there's no reason an unmanned craft can't be set on a pathway to each planet out there to get actual samples and photos of planet surfaces.

Science is based on evidence and facts and not on faith.

You shouldn't be using the word belief or faith when it comes to science and evidence based research.

You said again that you don't care what NASA and its scientists say about the chemical composition of the surface of the planets. It's better if you don't make these statements at all because you damage your already damaged credibility.

In return, I don't think NASA and the various scientists care about the unsubstantiated views of online creationists/conspiracy theorists.

Scientists absolutely have an idea of what they believe the surface of these planets are, but that's all they have. Zero proof and you're still not providing any. Nobody knew what the moon was made of until they landed on the surface.

NASA and the various scientists wouldn't like me because I ask for proof. You, nor them, can provide the proof.

I love space and the universe, I always have. That's why I have questions and I'm not buying or agreeing with their ideas.

You are one of the very few who makes random claims about scientists and NASA in particular and you say they don't have 'proof'. Do we suppose to take your argument seriously?

Go ahead and enlight NASA, the scientists, and the rest of us.

You have a very disturbed idea of what space is as it seems it you say creationists know better than scientists and.. NASA

As intelligent as you claim to be, I'd think you had the common sense to know that if you haven't landed on the surface of a planet with at least an unmanned craft, then you should be intelligent enough to know that there's no way to know what said surface consists of.

I wish I had a dollar for every time you threw "creationist" at me when you couldn't give me proof of something I asked for. Should be pretty easy.

Do you really need to go and land in a surface to know what is made of? Is this the way we determine the chemical composition of our sun? You ve missed a lot in school but you are not the only one and the thread is dedicated to how the educational system fails students.

Do you understand the difference between the sun and Jupiter?

a reply to: LSU2018

One is a star and the other a gas-giant planet with about 1000 times less mass than that of our Sun.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Degradation33

I have my doubts about Jupiter. Has anyone ever sent a craft to its surface to see that most of the planet is made of gases? For all we know, the surface is normal.

Based on?
Your creationist and religious views?
Do you consider start reading science even at the basic level?

Planets and their makeup aren't mentioned in religion, you wanna try again? Where's the proof of the makeup of Jupiter, a satellite picture?

Is this a genuine question or you are trying to troll the entire universe?

So you are denying further some basic science? This is basic information children learn at school.

Asking for proof for established facts when you offer religious faith in exchange. Do you see the irony?

Oh I see irony alright....

Show me some pictures of Jupiter's surface, hot shot.

Why don't you ask Harvard or Princeton.
Is this a new low? ---Show me pictures of Jupiter's surface.

Why don't you ask NASA or easier to visit their website.

How does this support your view of creationism?

NASA has shots of Jupiter's atmosphere from orbit, nothing on the surface and therefore no idea what it's made of. Do better.

The only person here who has been obsessed with creationism and talking about it over and over is you. I don't have to prove it, I'm not 25 pages deep calling you uneducated for not believing in it, nor do I care if you believe in it. You're 25 pages deep still trying to pass off a theory as an absolute because some peer reviewed article said so. Do I think science and education has failed you? Absolutely, and made you think you're smarter than everyone else, I just don't care enough to try to push it in your face.

So you keep claiming NASA has no idea of what Jupiter's surface is made of. I think NASA and the rest of the scientific world will disagree with you.

Do you think we need to go near the sun to find out what it is made of. Don't you think there are other ways we can deduce soms information?

You believe what science says, without proof, yet you think creationism is a lie because there's no proof.

Yes, science is your religion.

I also couldn't care less if NASA and scientists don't agree with me. They have photos, of a planet, and claim to know what the surface of that planet is made of. In reality, they have an idea of what they believe the surface of Jupiter is made of. With where we're at with technology today, there's no reason an unmanned craft can't be set on a pathway to each planet out there to get actual samples and photos of planet surfaces.

Science is based on evidence and facts and not on faith.

You shouldn't be using the word belief or faith when it comes to science and evidence based research.

You said again that you don't care what NASA and its scientists say about the chemical composition of the surface of the planets. It's better if you don't make these statements at all because you damage your already damaged credibility.

In return, I don't think NASA and the various scientists care about the unsubstantiated views of online creationists/conspiracy theorists.

Scientists absolutely have an idea of what they believe the surface of these planets are, but that's all they have. Zero proof and you're still not providing any. Nobody knew what the moon was made of until they landed on the surface.

NASA and the various scientists wouldn't like me because I ask for proof. You, nor them, can provide the proof.

I love space and the universe, I always have. That's why I have questions and I'm not buying or agreeing with their ideas.

You are one of the very few who makes random claims about scientists and NASA in particular and you say they don't have 'proof'. Do we suppose to take your argument seriously?

Go ahead and enlight NASA, the scientists, and the rest of us.

You have a very disturbed idea of what space is as it seems it you say creationists know better than scientists and.. NASA

As intelligent as you claim to be, I'd think you had the common sense to know that if you haven't landed on the surface of a planet with at least an unmanned craft, then you should be intelligent enough to know that there's no way to know what said surface consists of.

I wish I had a dollar for every time you threw "creationist" at me when you couldn't give me proof of something I asked for. Should be pretty easy.

Do you really need to go and land in a surface to know what is made of? Is this the way we determine the chemical composition of our sun? You ve missed a lot in school but you are not the only one and the thread is dedicated to how the educational system fails students.

Do you understand the difference between the sun and Jupiter?

Yep!

it's you who doesn't

I don't see how your inability to understand physics and chemistry helps your creationist arguments.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LSU2018

One is a star and the other a gas-giant planet with about 1000 times less mass than that of our Sun.

But according to the poster NASA scientists don't know what they are talking about and can't prove what Jupiter is made of.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: LSU2018

But we learned a lot when that comet crashed into it?

Well, lots of folk did. Apart from you?

Did we learn what the surface was made up of like I've been asking?

It's interesting that creationists who dismiss science and the scientific theory of evolution want to find out what is the chemical composition of Jupiter and think scientists at NASA got things wrong all this time.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: LSU2018

You believe what science says, without proof, yet you think creationism is a lie because there's no proof.

When you say without proof what do you mean? Creationism suggests the earth is less than 10,000 years old...kind of easy to say that isn't true.

I mean there aren't facts as the OP continues to claim. Creationism that believes the Earth is only 10K years old is young Earth creationism, I don't believe that. If these people are getting that from the Bible then they're greatly misinterpreting it because it never mentions a timeline other than "In the beginning..." The Earth could be 4.5 billion years old or it could be a trillion years old. Nobody knows the accurate age of it. There's no way to prove it other than methods we think are somewhat accurate. Same goes for how we got here.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LSU2018

One is a star and the other a gas-giant planet with about 1000 times less mass than that of our Sun.

Did you say gas giant?! That's another conspiracy theory just like evolution which has been created to blind us from the truth...

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: LSU2018

You believe what science says, without proof, yet you think creationism is a lie because there's no proof.

When you say without proof what do you mean? Creationism suggests the earth is less than 10,000 years old...kind of easy to say that isn't true.

I mean there aren't facts as the OP continues to claim. Creationism that believes the Earth is only 10K years old is young Earth creationism, I don't believe that. If these people are getting that from the Bible then they're greatly misinterpreting it because it never mentions a timeline other than "In the beginning..." The Earth could be 4.5 billion years old or it could be a trillion years old. Nobody knows the accurate age of it. There's no way to prove it other than methods we think are somewhat accurate. Same goes for how we got here.

Evolution is a fact.
Only creationists believe otherwise and offer some debunked 'theories' as 'facts' in exchange.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: LSU2018

Your wrong even prior to the moon landings they had meteorites they knew were from the moon. So they had a pretty good idea what the moons surface was made of.

It's weird how people make things up and try to pass it off as facts. The only thing they didn't know is how magnetic it was because it was bombarded by the sun's rays.

Oh and I don't think NASA has any fear of questions you may ask. I tried not to laugh you vs NASA scientists.

They had meteorites from the moon and had an idea of its makeup? Say it ain't so.

Look man, I think NASA has done a tremendous job in showing us what's out there and getting telescopes into space to show us all the galaxies, stars, etc.. I find it extremely intriguing as I've always been interested in our universe and I love looking at the new pictures they post. However, you're not going to convince me that they can look at these photos and tell us without a shadow of a doubt what the makeup is without putting something on the surface. Their job is to tell us what they believe it could be. I don't understand why you and others get so bent out of shape when someone has the audacity to question anything in science.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: LSU2018

See previous post and seriously stop trying to use logic your not good at it.

LoL

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LSU2018

One is a star and the other a gas-giant planet with about 1000 times less mass than that of our Sun.

Thanks andy. I do believe you may be right.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Degradation33

I have my doubts about Jupiter. Has anyone ever sent a craft to its surface to see that most of the planet is made of gases? For all we know, the surface is normal.

Based on?
Your creationist and religious views?
Do you consider start reading science even at the basic level?

Planets and their makeup aren't mentioned in religion, you wanna try again? Where's the proof of the makeup of Jupiter, a satellite picture?

Is this a genuine question or you are trying to troll the entire universe?

So you are denying further some basic science? This is basic information children learn at school.

Asking for proof for established facts when you offer religious faith in exchange. Do you see the irony?

Oh I see irony alright....

Show me some pictures of Jupiter's surface, hot shot.

Why don't you ask Harvard or Princeton.
Is this a new low? ---Show me pictures of Jupiter's surface.

Why don't you ask NASA or easier to visit their website.

How does this support your view of creationism?

NASA has shots of Jupiter's atmosphere from orbit, nothing on the surface and therefore no idea what it's made of. Do better.

The only person here who has been obsessed with creationism and talking about it over and over is you. I don't have to prove it, I'm not 25 pages deep calling you uneducated for not believing in it, nor do I care if you believe in it. You're 25 pages deep still trying to pass off a theory as an absolute because some peer reviewed article said so. Do I think science and education has failed you? Absolutely, and made you think you're smarter than everyone else, I just don't care enough to try to push it in your face.

So you keep claiming NASA has no idea of what Jupiter's surface is made of. I think NASA and the rest of the scientific world will disagree with you.

Do you think we need to go near the sun to find out what it is made of. Don't you think there are other ways we can deduce soms information?

You believe what science says, without proof, yet you think creationism is a lie because there's no proof.

Yes, science is your religion.

I also couldn't care less if NASA and scientists don't agree with me. They have photos, of a planet, and claim to know what the surface of that planet is made of. In reality, they have an idea of what they believe the surface of Jupiter is made of. With where we're at with technology today, there's no reason an unmanned craft can't be set on a pathway to each planet out there to get actual samples and photos of planet surfaces.

Science is based on evidence and facts and not on faith.

You shouldn't be using the word belief or faith when it comes to science and evidence based research.

You said again that you don't care what NASA and its scientists say about the chemical composition of the surface of the planets. It's better if you don't make these statements at all because you damage your already damaged credibility.

In return, I don't think NASA and the various scientists care about the unsubstantiated views of online creationists/conspiracy theorists.

Scientists absolutely have an idea of what they believe the surface of these planets are, but that's all they have. Zero proof and you're still not providing any. Nobody knew what the moon was made of until they landed on the surface.

NASA and the various scientists wouldn't like me because I ask for proof. You, nor them, can provide the proof.

I love space and the universe, I always have. That's why I have questions and I'm not buying or agreeing with their ideas.

You are one of the very few who makes random claims about scientists and NASA in particular and you say they don't have 'proof'. Do we suppose to take your argument seriously?

Go ahead and enlight NASA, the scientists, and the rest of us.

You have a very disturbed idea of what space is as it seems it you say creationists know better than scientists and.. NASA

As intelligent as you claim to be, I'd think you had the common sense to know that if you haven't landed on the surface of a planet with at least an unmanned craft, then you should be intelligent enough to know that there's no way to know what said surface consists of.

I wish I had a dollar for every time you threw "creationist" at me when you couldn't give me proof of something I asked for. Should be pretty easy.

Do you really need to go and land in a surface to know what is made of? Is this the way we determine the chemical composition of our sun? You ve missed a lot in school but you are not the only one and the thread is dedicated to how the educational system fails students.

Do you understand the difference between the sun and Jupiter?

Yep!

it's you who doesn't

I don't see how your inability to understand physics and chemistry helps your creationist arguments.

Because you look at pictures, you're told what to think about those pictures by scientists, and you believe it without question.

I've yet to argue with you about creationism because I'm not here to push what I believe on you or anyone else. You started a thread about it being shocking that people would believe in creationism over what you believe and the arguments here have been about you believing a theory is a fact, and you called everyone else uneducated.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: LSU2018

But we learned a lot when that comet crashed into it?

Well, lots of folk did. Apart from you?

Did we learn what the surface was made up of like I've been asking?

It's interesting that creationists who dismiss science and the scientific theory of evolution want to find out what is the chemical composition of Jupiter and think scientists at NASA got things wrong all this time.

I don't dismiss science. Your hatred for a belief outside of the theory of evolution clouds your mind and keeps it tightly closed.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: LSU2018

You believe what science says, without proof, yet you think creationism is a lie because there's no proof.

When you say without proof what do you mean? Creationism suggests the earth is less than 10,000 years old...kind of easy to say that isn't true.

I mean there aren't facts as the OP continues to claim. Creationism that believes the Earth is only 10K years old is young Earth creationism, I don't believe that. If these people are getting that from the Bible then they're greatly misinterpreting it because it never mentions a timeline other than "In the beginning..." The Earth could be 4.5 billion years old or it could be a trillion years old. Nobody knows the accurate age of it. There's no way to prove it other than methods we think are somewhat accurate. Same goes for how we got here.

Evolution is a fact.
Only creationists believe otherwise and offer some debunked 'theories' as 'facts' in exchange.

Evolution's not a fact.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: LSU2018

You believe what science says, without proof, yet you think creationism is a lie because there's no proof.

When you say without proof what do you mean? Creationism suggests the earth is less than 10,000 years old...kind of easy to say that isn't true.

I mean there aren't facts as the OP continues to claim. Creationism that believes the Earth is only 10K years old is young Earth creationism, I don't believe that. If these people are getting that from the Bible then they're greatly misinterpreting it because it never mentions a timeline other than "In the beginning..." The Earth could be 4.5 billion years old or it could be a trillion years old. Nobody knows the accurate age of it. There's no way to prove it other than methods we think are somewhat accurate. Same goes for how we got here.

Evolution is a fact.
Only creationists believe otherwise and offer some debunked 'theories' as 'facts' in exchange.

Evolution's not a fact.

Evolution is a fact
Please stop spreading misinformation in these threads.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution is widely observable in laboratory and natural populations as they change over time.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: LSU2018

Your wrong even prior to the moon landings they had meteorites they knew were from the moon. So they had a pretty good idea what the moons surface was made of.

It's weird how people make things up and try to pass it off as facts. The only thing they didn't know is how magnetic it was because it was bombarded by the sun's rays.

Oh and I don't think NASA has any fear of questions you may ask. I tried not to laugh you vs NASA scientists.

They had meteorites from the moon and had an idea of its makeup? Say it ain't so.

Look man, I think NASA has done a tremendous job in showing us what's out there and getting telescopes into space to show us all the galaxies, stars, etc.. I find it extremely intriguing as I've always been interested in our universe and I love looking at the new pictures they post. However, you're not going to convince me that they can look at these photos and tell us without a shadow of a doubt what the makeup is without putting something on the surface. Their job is to tell us what they believe it could be. I don't understand why you and others get so bent out of shape when someone has the audacity to question anything in science.

You can't question scientific findings when you don't have the appropriate background. In the meantime you just push conspiracy theories that are baseless.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: LSU2018

You believe what science says, without proof, yet you think creationism is a lie because there's no proof.

When you say without proof what do you mean? Creationism suggests the earth is less than 10,000 years old...kind of easy to say that isn't true.

I mean there aren't facts as the OP continues to claim. Creationism that believes the Earth is only 10K years old is young Earth creationism, I don't believe that. If these people are getting that from the Bible then they're greatly misinterpreting it because it never mentions a timeline other than "In the beginning..." The Earth could be 4.5 billion years old or it could be a trillion years old. Nobody knows the accurate age of it. There's no way to prove it other than methods we think are somewhat accurate. Same goes for how we got here.

Evolution is a fact.
Only creationists believe otherwise and offer some debunked 'theories' as 'facts' in exchange.

Evolution's not a fact.

Evolution is a fact
Please stop spreading misinformation in these threads.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution is widely observable in laboratory and natural populations as they change over time.

I guess in this day and age, a theory can identify as a fact, eh?

a reply to: LSU2018

Pictures?

More to it than that.

Like Spectroscopy. Here, some science for you:


www.cfa.harvard.edu...

a reply to: LSU2018

Even the Sun Shines on a Dog's Ass somedays.