Biden Tailpipe Emissions Standards Are A "de facto Electric Vehicle Mandate

The Biden administration is trying to use legal channels to make everyone buy those crappy electric vehicles which die in the winter and that can't go very far without having to stop for recharge .. recharge that takes forever. They are putting a cap on tailpipe emissions making it impossible for gas cars to be sold.

Rant on - Electric cars SUCK. They die in cold. They can't go very far. You have to get on the freak'n internet to find a recharge place and then go out of your way to get there. You have to wait in lines for recharge. Then recharge takes something like half an hour. Electric cars SUCK. And yet they are being foisted upon us by the left which has heavily invested financially in it and so they are trying to make a ton of money for themselves. I want my gas car ... dammit! - rant off.

Biden Tailpipe Emissions Standards Are A "de facto Electric Vehicle Mandate

The Biden administration is poised to soon finalize gas-powered car tailpipe emissions standards that consumer advocates and energy industry groups have dubbed a "de facto electric vehicle mandate."

The Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) proposed tailpipe emissions – which were in recent weeks submitted to the White House Office of Management and Budget for final review – are designed to ensure a staggering 67% of new car sales are electric by 2032. Over the weekend, the New York Times and Washington Post reported the White House is set to double down on that lofty goal while loosening earlier targets.

"The President has been clear since 2020 that he intends to use his agencies to eliminate sales of new gas cars," the American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers said in a statement following the media reports. "Tinkering with the near-term speed of implementation doesn't change the end game, which is banning new gas-powered cars."

Overall, under the proposal, which EPA unveiled in April 2023, the White House projected that 67% of new sedan, crossover, SUV and light truck purchases would be electric by 2032. In addition, up to 50% of bus and garbage truck, 35% of short-haul freight tractor and 25% of long-haul freight tractor purchases could be electric by then.

a reply to: FlyersFan

EV Tech is Still in it's Infancy . Other forms of Energy are better Options Right Now .

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
EV Tech is Still in it's Infancy .

... and it sucks. You wait until the technology is good before presenting it to the people to buy. You don't push crap on people and say that is their only choice.

a reply to: FlyersFan

My mechanic seems to think EV’s will fizzle out. To be replaced with Hydrogen powered vehicles. I hope he’s right.

a reply to: KKLOCO

They have a better range and a quicker refill.
Since they make more sense then EVs, the politicians will undoubtedly push for something else.

Hydrogen Cars

Not to mention, the batteries are a horror. Weigh a ton, can't be recycled, cost a fortune, and mining lithium is an ecological nightmare. China loves processing it though.

a reply to: yeahright

... and replacing the battery costs from $5,000 to $20,000 depending on the car.

How Much So Electric Car Batteries Cost to Replace

I heard from a friend in the auto insurance biz that EV owners are headed for some major rate hikes. It seems that even the most minor accident is grounds for totaling the car. They can't take the risk that the battery pack wasn't compromised by the impact and liable to catch fire at a later date.

How many total losses can you factor into your insurance policy?

LOL

originally posted by: underpass61
I heard from a friend in the auto insurance biz that EV owners are headed for some major rate hikes. It seems that even the most minor accident is grounds for totaling the car. They can't take the risk that the battery pack wasn't compromised by the impact and liable to catch fire at a later date.

How many total losses can you factor into your insurance policy?

LOL

And if you have to total the car and/or toss the battery ... how long until you get hit with a financial charge for having to toss out the battery that can't be recycled and that fills up landfills with crap that is toxic?

accomplishing the switchover (ICE to EV) by 2032 is doable if done wisely...

All size cities to be EV/LSV by 2030 within city limits
towns & agriculture communities 75% EV by 2030

ICE vehicles under strict supervision, restraints....

it can be done

a reply to: FlyersFan

I will pile on with a lack of manual transmissions these days.
Frustrates me to no end.
A human can do better than a computer, when faced with unique situations.

originally posted by: underpass61
I heard from a friend in the auto insurance biz that EV owners are headed for some major rate hikes. It seems that even the most minor accident is grounds for totaling the car. They can't take the risk that the battery pack wasn't compromised by the impact and liable to catch fire at a later date.

How many total losses can you factor into your insurance policy?

LOL

Geez , that's Like just Kissing a Virgin for her first Time then announcing she is Now a Tainted Woman............

originally posted by: StudioNada


accomplishing the switchover (ICE to EV) by 2032 is doable if done wisely...

All size cities to be EV/LSV by 2030 within city limits
towns & agriculture communities 75% EV by 2030

ICE vehicles under strict supervision, restraints....

it can be done

There aren't enough materials to meet even the minimum demands. There aren't enough charging stations to meet the minimum in operation.

Researchers project the national charging infrastructure will require:

182,000 publicly accessible fast charging ports to enable long-distance travel and ride-hailing electrification and to support those who lack access to residential charging.
1 million Level 2 charging ports at publicly accessible locations—including high-density neighborhoods, office buildings, and retail outlets.
26 million Level 1 and Level 2 charging ports at privately accessible locations—including single-family homes, multifamily properties, and workplaces.

www.nrel.gov...

Even the smallest collision with an EV requires totaling the whole vehicle due to issue that the batteries may be compromised. Which btw are still causing fires for no reason in calm quiet locations.

The so-called circular economy of EVs is being undermined by insurance companies writing EVs involved in minor crashes, because a tiny amount of damage to the battery pack can render the whole pack unusable. The number of EVs being declared a total loss following minor accidents is growing, and while that shouldn’t be an issue in and of itself, the difficulty of recycling battery packs in the U.S. is producing more waste than expected, as Reuters reports.

jalopnik.com...#:~:text=The%20so%2Dcalled%20circular%20economy,render%20the%20whol e%20pack%20unusable.

So NO, at this time, it cannot be done. The federal government which promised to provide charging stations hasn't provided one. NOT ONE charging station for the public to use.

Sales have plummeted and car lots are going broke. People don't want them. The tax incentives to buy are nearing an end. They also only benefit the higher incomers that itemize their taxes in order to take advantage of it/them.

The whole thing is wrong and won't succeed. The time is too short. The goals are too high. It's being forced. It will exponentially destroy the planet both in harvesting the necessary materials, and discarding the used materials. It's called a REALLY BAD IDEA and should no longer be entertained as a contributing solution to climate change or environmental advancement.

originally posted by: yeahright
Not to mention, the batteries are a horror. Weigh a ton, can't be recycled, cost a fortune, and mining lithium is an ecological nightmare. China loves processing it though.

Every single EV battery also contains cobalt mined by hand by slaves in Congo.

All so wealthy white leftists can pat themselves on the back for not having to buy gas.

originally posted by: watchitburn
Every single EV battery also contains cobalt mined by hand by slaves in Congo.
All so wealthy white leftists can pat themselves on the back for not having to buy gas.

YEP.

Cobalt Mining Working Conditions Congo

So all the experts and scientists spend decades re engineering gasoline engines to get them very efficient and less polluting compared to the 1970s and it gets done, but now it's not good enough! 🤣

a reply to: FlyersFan

C’mon man, how else are they supposed to keep you within the restraints of your 15 minute city?

a reply to: xuenchen

Seems like a pretty stupid thing to say....
But ya hey lets not move forward with technological innovation.
Hell, even a universal EV charging port was a game changer.
These inventive ways of harnessing power is very good for humanity. And sometimes a few eggs have to be broken.
Don't be a snowflake and get with it or get out of the way.

a reply to: Allaroundya4k

You missed the point and you missed the joke. 😃

originally posted by: Allaroundya4k
a reply to: xuenchen

Seems like a pretty stupid thing to say....
But ya hey lets not move forward with technological innovation.
Hell, even a universal EV charging port was a game changer.
These inventive ways of harnessing power is very good for humanity. And sometimes a few eggs have to be broken.
Don't be a snowflake and get with it or get out of the way.

Ok. How does this "innovation" forward society?
I saw last summer the charging ports do not work for every vehicle.

Nevermind the power grid is not equipped for what we have.

I assume you are a good soul, but do not recognize realities.

We do not have the power for an electric car birth.