The Ramsey Files

The Ramsey File

It's been over 27 years since JonBenét’s death and there have been some new developments. I'm not going to make any assumptions as to whether anyone is guilty or innocent, that is not my purpose. But I would like to log all the original "evidence" I can find on this subject here.

Maybe some of you can find something from what follows that the police missed. After that many years of investigations, books, interviews, and opinions, the waters have become polluted, and I think that it may be best if we go back to the beginning.

So, I wanted to just list all the initial documentations, interviews, and records I could find. And I wonder as I type this: will ATS be able to find something to solve this case with just the original, basic facts? Will we be able to find the one piece of the puzzle that so many people have failed to uncover? Fresh eyes and all that….

How it Began



That was pulled from the police reports that will be linked later which are the initial statements made by the Ramsey’s about what happened.

The 911 Call

At approximately 5:52 am on December 26th Patsy Ramsey made the following call to 911:


For those who have no access to youtube, here is the written transcript:

911: 911 Emergency.
PR: (Inaudible) police.
911: What’s going on…
PR: 755 Fifteenth Street
911: What is going on there ma’am?
PR: We have a kidnapping. Hurry, please.
911: Explain to me what is going on, ok?
PR: We have a, there’s a note left and our daughter is gone.
911: A note was left and your daughter is gone?
PR: Yes.
911: How old is you daughter?
PR: She is six years old, she is blond…six years old.
911: How long ago was this?
PR: I don’t know. I just found a note and my daughter’s missing.
911: Does it say who took her?
PR: What?
911: Does it say who took her?
PR: No, I don’t know it’s there…there is a ransom note here.
911: It’s a ransom note?
PR: It says S.B.T.C. Victory…please.
911: Ok, what’s your name? Are you…
PR: Patsy Ramsey…I am the mother. Oh my God. Please.
911: I’m…Ok, I’m sending an officer over, ok?
PR: Please.
911: Do you know how long she’s been gone?
PR: No, I don’t, please, we just got up and she’s not here. Oh my God Please.
911: Ok.
PR: Please send somebody.
911: I am, honey.
PR: Please.
911: Take a deep breath for me okay?
PR: Hurry, hurry, hurry.
911: Patsy? Patsy? Patsy? Patsy? Patsy? …

Also, after the FBI enhancement, the call is said to contain at least three voices (Patsy thought she had hung up, but she had not) at the end of it. One of those voices is said to be the voice of Burk, Patsy’s son, who the Ramsey’s stated was sleeping at the time of the call.

The enhancement is at the end of the youtube video and the transcript of that part is as follows:

John Ramsey "We're not talking to you."
Patsy Ramsey "What did you do?"
Burke Ramsey "What did you find?"

I did not hear much of anything in the enhancement part of the video but, that is what the FBI supposedly heard.

Points made on this piece of evidence:

1. Patsy does not mention her daughter’s name in the call.
2. She hangs up with the operator instead of holding for assistance.
3. She says, “we have a kidnapping” instead of “my daughter’s been kidnapped”.
4. She starts to say, “we need an ambulance” and changes it to “we need the police”.

These are all things noticed by random people and listed in the youtube comments so, not something I am stating as fact.

The Ransom Note

The following is a pdf file of the 2 & ½ page ransom note that Patsy found on the stairs. There is one part that I cannot read and was hoping someone else could figure out ...



Yes I know you can find a typed out version now but, I wanted to provide the original as at some point, the handwriting comes into play.

Points made on this piece of evidence:

1. The pad of paper used was allegedly Patsy’s.
2. The 3 & ½ page note had been written in the home and placed upon the bottom of the stairs.
3. The handwriting allegedly matches Patsy’s. They go around and around on this but, initially (as you will see in the reports below) it was stated that the handwriting looked like hers due to the 4 ways the “A’s” were written matching the four ways Patsy writes her “A’s”.


Autopsy Report

The autopsy revealed the following facts (link in title):



I am also linking another version of the autopsy report with pics. I’m gonna give it a GRAPHIC CONTENT warning due to that.

Graphic Content Autopsy Report

Points made on this piece of evidence:

1. The garrote used was made with one of Patsy’s paint brushes
2. JonBenét’s right wrist was tied.
3. She had head injuries.
4. COD was strangulation

Initial Police Reports

Detective Linda Arndt supplemental report – 19 pages...

This report goes through the initial response and investigation/statements. How the police searched and found no footsteps outside and some of the statements made by the Ramseys.

Rick French Report – 4 Pages...

This report notates that Rick had done a preliminary search of the basement and found no disturbances there. It also states that another person had checked the area where JonBenét was found by Mr. Ramsey and saw no body.

Supplemental Report – Robert Whitson – 4 pages
...

This report just corroborates the other two reports. Maybe one of you sleuths will find something of interest.

Points made on this piece of evidence:

1. No footsteps were found in the initial search of the exterior.
2. No disturbances were found within the interior of the house. No broken windows or open doors, no footprints or anything like that.
3. The room where JonBenét was found was searched prior to her discovery and no body was found.
4. The body was found by her father, mother, and two unnamed individuals.
5. The body was moved upstairs before the coroner came and positioned with her hands above her head (thumb below)

Press Releases and Search Warrant

For this section I am just going to link the initial press releases. Every press release up to the present can be found here …

The initial press releases are grouped in an online pdf format from 1997 through 2003 …

The initial search warrant from 1996 …

In the warrant, one of the items confiscated was listed as “my science project from Blakes’ bedroom”. Not sure what that is referring to. I did a search and couldn’t find anything about it.

Points made on this piece of evidence:

1. They did take broken glass from a window when this warrant was executed at 8:20 pm on December 26th 1996. The initial reports showed that there was no evidence of a break in earlier that morning.
2. Blakes “My Science Project”…what is it?
3. They did also find a blue suitcase that was taken as evidence. This supposedly was placed under the window that was broken. But again, no evidence of foul play was found earlier that morning. Both the window and the suitcase would’ve been noticed.

The House

These are the floor plans for the house which shows where everything happened, and all evidence was found:




Points made on this piece of evidence:

1. The basement (wind cellar) is where JonBenét’s’ body was found.
2. The wine cellar that has no windows.
3. The first floor is where the body was moved to before the coroner inspected it
4. The second floor is where the children's bedrooms are (both Burk and JonBenét)
5. The Third floor is where John and Patsy slept.

The Interviews

The following are the interviews with the family members.

Burk Ramsey interrogation clip:


No full transcript available that is unbiased, unclipped, and trustworthy. I’m not even sure if this 3 minute clip is unedited and trustworthy but, at least it gives you an idea of what he was like at the time this happened (9 years old).

The full interrogation was over six hours long (two hours a day for 3 days) and has never been released.

Patsy Ramsey interrogation clip:



Full Transcript …

I could not find a John Ramsey Interview Clip but he does, surprisingly, have a really long transcript available. Which means he had a really long taped interrogation.

Full Transcript John Ramsey …

That is what I’ve found as evidence for the initial investigation. I might have missed a few things though but I figured that this would give us a good base to start with. If I did miss something from the first few months of this investigation, please feel free to link it below.

Thanks!
blend

a reply to: blend

This is great info! The brother is a nut case! Wow!

The note part you posted:

Dont try to grow a brain Jon, you are not the only fat cat around so don't think killing will be difficult.

Weird.

a reply to: chiefsmom

Thank you! I really couldn't read it from the hand writing. And yes, it is weird...the whole letter is weird.

Thanks,
blend

a reply to: JJproductions

There is another more recent interview he did with dr...somebody..dunno. Burk is all grown up in it but I wanted to stick with original (as far as I can tell) evidence for this post.

Thanks for the response!
blend

a reply to: blend

Welcome back, Blend!

Excellently laid out thread. Wow, there's so much here I think that's my late night reading sorted. This looks like an intriguing case.

a reply to: Encia22

It is a puzzle for sure. Still tons of info out there that I didn't include so you could make it a week long late night reading project!

Hope you find something of value in it.

Thanks,
blend

a reply to: blend

I will interview him and the truth will come out! Great research!

i have been fascinated by this case. they basically ruled out the parents and the brother. i think she had a stalker from all the suggestive beauty pageants.

originally posted by: blend
a reply to: JJproductions

There is another more recent interview he did with dr...somebody..dunno. Burk is all grown up in it but I wanted to stick with original (as far as I can tell) evidence for this post.

Thanks for the response!
blend

Yes, Dr, Phil. I used to watch him years ago-before he adopted the 'Jerry Springer' free-for-all format.

The thing I noticed about Burke is jis tota; lack of emotion-no facial expressions and totally flat speech. Dr. Phil played a pretting clean version of Patsy screaming "What did you do?!" at Burke.

He was in his 20's at the time of the interview, and it was clear there was something seriously wrong with him-or he was under extremely heavy sedation. He looked and acted like a zombie.

I would have thought advancements in DNA testing, especially 'touch' DNA would have solved the mystery by now, if they'd preserved the evidence collected i.e. ligatures, clothing, etc.

The Dr. Phil interview didn't do Burke any favors in exhonerating him as a suspect; it just made his parents look like accomplises in a coverup.

a reply to: blend

I think the brother did it. It could have been a sibling rivalry that went too far. He has hit her with a golf club very likely accidentally before but that could've given him the inspiration to lure her downstairs for a pineapple snack and whacked her with the baseball bat.

How far was the bat from the window because it would make sense if he sneaked out of the basement window to take the bat outside in order to not get seen.

A murderer fleeing the scene wouldn't make the effort of taking the bat with him only to ditch it outside unless he spotted someone outside and didn't want to be connected to the bat as he fled, but no one has come forward to describe such an event.

I think the mother got up during the night because she heard the scream a neighbor also heard and went to check on the children and came upon what the boy had done.

Fearing that she:

a) would have to take care of a mentally impaired daughter for the rest of her life, a daughter through whom she could relive her own life and strive for perfection and glory became the sickest of ironies

b) would also lose her son to the justice system and the scandal that would cause in their prestige driven community

c) and her husband would lose control over his $1 Billion a year in sales company working on highly sophisticated and perhaps top secret technology for none other than Lockheed Martin. These people were all about their success and standing in the community.

She formulated the plan with or without the husband but if this theory touches upon the truth then the husband obviously got involved at some point.

The drama between the police department and the district attorneys office could've resulted because of some strings being pulled by powerful people at the highest levels of government if the work John was doing for Lockheed Martin was too important to be hamstrung by a family murder investigation and the repercussions should the truth ever have gotten out to the public.

Of course this is all just speculation at the end of the day.

What bothers me is who would've known about his $118 000 yearend bonus and why demand such a paltry sum to begin with?

Anybody who had insider knowledge of his bonus would have known that the guy was worth 10s of millions.

And why was that note written twice once aborted from inside the house. What kind of killer would write such a lengthy note but start over and write it again as if the first attempt wasn't convincing enough.

So yeah.

The boy wanted to disfigure his sisters face. He went too far and they thought she was dead. 2 hours later she is strangled very likely after the ransom note was already written by either the father or the mother herself but I definitely believe they were both 100% in on it by this time.

Who at his place of work were suspects based upon the knowledge of the amount of his bonus he received that was mentioned in the ransom note?

Was this a cover up to protect the interests of Lockheed Martin and perhaps some politicians heavily invested in the stock at that point in time?

a reply to: blend

The Ramsey's were indicted by a grand jury for their part in JonBenet's murder. Then the prosecutor declined to take them to trial. My theory is that a kid did it. Burke owned Hi-Tec boots, which he says he gave to a neighbor boy he was friends with prior to the murder. If you believe the boot print in the basement is connected to the murder. Also Burke was a boy scout and the police found in their home a boy scout book which showed how to make garrottes. I think the cops dropped the ball day one minute one by not looking into this neighbor boy who was friends with Burke.

www.cbsnews.com...

The documents released Friday show that the grand jury voted to charge both John and Patsy Ramsey with one count of Child Abuse Resulting in Death and one count of Accessory to a Crime. The grand jury issued two separate, but identical indictments for each parent. They state:

On or between Dec. 25 and Dec. 26, 1996 in Boulder County, Colo., John Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey, a child under the age of sixteen.

And:

On or between Dec. 25 and Dec. 26, 1996 in Boulder County, Colo., John Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly and feloniously render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of Murder in the First Degree and Child Abuse Resulting in Death

originally posted by: nugget1

Yes, Dr, Phil. I used to watch him years ago-before he adopted the 'Jerry Springer' free-for-all format.

The thing I noticed about Burke is jis tota; lack of emotion-no facial expressions and totally flat speech. Dr. Phil played a pretting clean version of Patsy screaming "What did you do?!" at Burke.

He was in his 20's at the time of the interview, and it was clear there was something seriously wrong with him-or he was under extremely heavy sedation. He looked and acted like a zombie.

I would have thought advancements in DNA testing, especially 'touch' DNA would have solved the mystery by now, if they'd preserved the evidence collected i.e. ligatures, clothing, etc.

The Dr. Phil interview didn't do Burke any favors in exhonerating him as a suspect; it just made his parents look like accomplises in a coverup.

Thanks for filling me in. I knew it was someone like that but couldn't remember the name.

With regards to the DNA testing, I found this:
DNA Test Results (scroll down a bit from the top)

I am not a scientist so I may be reading the results wrong but, from what I can tell, it says that Patsy, John, and Burk (along with some others) can be excluded if the DNA sample came from a single source.



sample 7 is blood from panties. Samples 14m/l are samples from under the fingernails.

blend

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: blend

I think the brother did it. It could have been a sibling rivalry that went too far. He has hit her with a golf club very likely accidentally before but that could've given him the inspiration to lure her downstairs for a pineapple snack and whacked her with the baseball bat.

How far was the bat from the window because it would make sense if he sneaked out of the basement window to take the bat outside in order to not get seen.

A murderer fleeing the scene wouldn't make the effort of taking the bat with him only to ditch it outside unless he spotted someone outside and didn't want to be connected to the bat as he fled, but no one has come forward to describe such an event.

I think the mother got up during the night because she heard the scream a neighbor also heard and went to check on the children and came upon what the boy had done.

Fearing that she:

a) would have to take care of a mentally impaired daughter for the rest of her life, a daughter through whom she could relive her own life and strive for perfection and glory became the sickest of ironies

b) would also lose her son to the justice system and the scandal that would cause in their prestige driven community

c) and her husband would lose control over his $1 Billion a year in sales company working on highly sophisticated and perhaps top secret technology for none other than Lockheed Martin. These people were all about their success and standing in the community.

She formulated the plan with or without the husband but if this theory touches upon the truth then the husband obviously got involved at some point.

The drama between the police department and the district attorneys office could've resulted because of some strings being pulled by powerful people at the highest levels of government if the work John was doing for Lockheed Martin was too important to be hamstrung by a family murder investigation and the repercussions should the truth ever have gotten out to the public.

Of course this is all just speculation at the end of the day.

What bothers me is who would've known about his $118 000 yearend bonus and why demand such a paltry sum to begin with?

Anybody who had insider knowledge of his bonus would have known that the guy was worth 10s of millions.

And why was that note written twice once aborted from inside the house. What kind of killer would write such a lengthy note but start over and write it again as if the first attempt wasn't convincing enough.

So yeah.

The boy wanted to disfigure his sisters face. He went too far and they thought she was dead. 2 hours later she is strangled very likely after the ransom note was already written by either the father or the mother herself but I definitely believe they were both 100% in on it by this time.

Who at his place of work were suspects based upon the knowledge of the amount of his bonus he received that was mentioned in the ransom note?

Was this a cover up to protect the interests of Lockheed Martin and perhaps some politicians heavily invested in the stock at that point in time?

I have some thoughts on who did it but I didn't want to muddy the waters when presenting the information. I was trying to get as close as I could to "just the facts".

The whole ransom letter (because, seriously, 3 & 1/2 pages is a letter) is very, very weird. I did link it in the OP and the ransom of $118,000.00 does sound like a lot of money....to a child.

All the conditions of the note....they sound pretty childlike too. The scream in the middle of the night is new to me so thank you! I'll check that out.

Lots of good thoughts and ideas in your post. Thank you so much for taking the time to respond!

blend

originally posted by: Shoshanna
a reply to: blend

The Ramsey's were indicted by a grand jury for their part in JonBenet's murder. Then the prosecutor declined to take them to trial. My theory is that a kid did it. Burke owned Hi-Tec boots, which he says he gave to a neighbor boy he was friends with prior to the murder. If you believe the boot print in the basement is connected to the murder. Also Burke was a boy scout and the police found in their home a boy scout book which showed how to make garrottes. I think the cops dropped the ball day one minute one by not looking into this neighbor boy who was friends with Burke.

www.cbsnews.com...

The documents released Friday show that the grand jury voted to charge both John and Patsy Ramsey with one count of Child Abuse Resulting in Death and one count of Accessory to a Crime. The grand jury issued two separate, but identical indictments for each parent. They state:

On or between Dec. 25 and Dec. 26, 1996 in Boulder County, Colo., John Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey, a child under the age of sixteen.

And:

On or between Dec. 25 and Dec. 26, 1996 in Boulder County, Colo., John Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly and feloniously render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of Murder in the First Degree and Child Abuse Resulting in Death

The items that are a plant (IMO): the broken window/suitcase/possibly the bat. The original police reports stated that they did not see any evidence of a break in when they originally checked the house in the morning. That there was no footprints around the exterior of the house. Then, by evening, they have a broken window, a boot print, and a suitcase (police also said they went in the wine cellar and there had been no body in there).

Somewhere I read that the window wasn't considered a point of entry because the cobwebs hadn't been disturbed (not sure where I read that at or I would link it).

The boots may be real evidence..not sure. What I don't understand is, how did someone manage to walk through a dusty basement without making any more boot prints? Why were there none found around the suitcase which is the way the "perp" got in/out of the house?

Thank you for the links and additional info!

blend

a reply to: blend

So John told the police that he broke the window sometime prior

www.bustle.com...

According to The Denver Post, John Ramsey told investigators that he broke the window when he was locked out of the house at some point before the murder. It was unclear how long the window had been broken, but the newspaper noted that a spider web had formed on the window-well grate outside by the time of JonBenét's murder.

Which is one of a few reasons why I don't think the parents did it or tried to cover it up. Because ok they're not stupid people. They started the investigation the minute they called the cops to report this. They could have come up with any scenario. Especially key here would be removing the body from the house. Which didn't happen. What better fake evidence could there be than a broken window in the same basement with the wine cellar where her body was found? Why would he tell the cops he broke it himself? Why wouldn't he pretend that he didn't know and send the cops down that rabbit trail? As far as the scream goes, Melody Stanton the neighbor that reported the scream at 2am said later that she actually wasn't sure what night it happened on and could have been a different night.

I've gone deep into the Ramsey case and come full circle on it. Started out suspecting Patsy but those CNN interviews my God she is bereft and that is not acting. John seems sketchy in those. Then suspecting Burke but now I have set my sights on the neighbor boy, Burke's friend. I am very interested in whether the new DNA testing they're doing will have any new leads on this.

originally posted by: Shoshanna
a reply to: blend

So John told the police that he broke the window sometime prior

www.bustle.com...

Weird..in this video at the 15 minute mark he says that "we first went into what we call the train room where we found the open window and the suitcase up against the wall. We looked there for glass, again to see if we could find any glass because the window was open."



Sounds like he didn't know he broke the window at that time. Which is something you'd think he'd remember...

I also looked at the search warrant. They list pieces of broken window as items taken from the house:



A bit confusing as that warrant was executed the same day JonBenet was found. I think in the evening. And again, the initial searches of the basement produced no signs of forced entry (which, an open window and broken glass would be a sign of forced entry).

Unless the pieces were very small and John Ramsey has a terrible memory, then everything fits.



This case is nothing but puzzles ...lol

thanks for the links and the post!
blend

a reply to: blend

The whole story about the window is suspect in general because he says he broke it because he was locked out, and because of this they put a key under a rock near the house in case it happened again and that key was supposedly missing after the murder. but in one of the interviews, Patsy says she never needed a key to get in the house because she always used the garage door opener and they left the door into the house from the garage unlocked. And the housekeeper said that is how John always entered the house as well so she didn't buy the story about why he broke it. But if you look at the crime scene photos, you can see cobwebs and dust in the windowsill that seem undisturbed and like they've been there awhile. I dont know what is going on with this case I think there are a lot of unnecessary red herrings

a reply to: Shoshanna

Yep. A lot of red herrings for sure.

I was looking through some info and found a hand writing analysis of the note. Gonna throw a few pics in here and the link just for reference.





There is another pic but it's too hard to read. The sources used for the analysis are listed on the webpage here ...

The hand writing analyst is:
Cina L. Wong, B.C.D.E.
Court Qualified Board Certified Document Examiner
1131 Granby St. Norfolk VA 23510 U.S.A

Full Disclosure:

Wong has never taken a certification exam, completed an accreditation course in document examination, been an apprentice to an ABFDE certified document examiner, or worked in a crime lab. (Wong Dep. at 87-112.) She does, however, claim nearly ten years of experience in the field. (Pl's Br. In Opp. To Defs.' Mot. In Limine [87] at 9.) She, however, is not a member of the ABFDE, the sole recognized organization for accreditation of qualified forensic document examiners. Although she is the former vice president of the National Association of Document Examiners ("NADE"), (PSDMF 12), defendants note that this organization does not meet ABFDE certification requirements, has no permanent office and has no membership requirements other than the payment of a fee. (Defs.' Mot. In Limine [68] at 6.) Wong, herself, admits that NADE does not require specialized training or experience for its certification. (Wong Dep. at 87-89.) Accordingly, the Court concludes Ms. Wong is not qualified to provide reliable handwriting analysis in this case.

That is pulled from a website I can't link..

Thanks,
blend