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Are we the product of something that passed through a black hole?

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posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 04:16 AM
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i've been thinking about this recently and been looking at a few videos on the internet about how we are constantly travelling through the Universe, the sun travels forward at 77000kmh and we trail it in a vortex bound by its gravitational pull.

The sun is an incredible force and we and the other planets are essentially just rocks trying to fall into it but constantly kept away by its forces.

But what caused it to start propulsion across the Universe? did something fall into a black hole and all that remained at the other side were the stars we see, the other planets surrounding them and other parts of the original "something" being pushed ever outward into the expanse of this universe? The Universe as we know it is so bleak and devoid of parts in comparison to its size that it seems to me we are in the ejected area rather than where a real creation process exists.

Why do we always assume we are in the start point of creation? We are not so special or exceptional as a race, we are not that far removed from apes.

The first responses will likely be that the black holes we know of appear to pull things into it but who is to say that we aren't on the other end of one and further actions in this universe created black holes as an exit to another? A constant cycle of destruction and rebirth.



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 04:25 AM
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originally posted by: stu119
...the sun travels forward at 77000kmh...


In relation to what?

And if the "what" is also travelling, what is the "what" travelling in relation to?

It's Turtles all the way down me thinks.

Thanks for sharing and enjoy the ride.



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 05:08 AM
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originally posted by: stu119

Why do we always assume we are in the start point of creation? We are not so special or exceptional as a race, we are not that far removed from apes.


NO educated person assumes this

The existence of dark energy is a conundrum we need to solve before any of this theory is relevant



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 05:20 AM
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originally posted by: Saibot3052
The existence of dark energy is a conundrum we need to solve before any of this theory is relevant


I believe that Dark Energy is not something we will ever be able to understand because there is NO WAY to determine if the Universe is expanding or our objective is SHRINKING.

We do like to "squish" things to make other things a lot don't we? And what's left over becomes smaller so it fills in all the crevices nicely. Consider the size of all the "stuff" needed to make a single electric car.
And so much GRAVITY at our disposal all towards a single central point inside this ball of dirt.

"The World" is now contained in little pocket sized boxes...Pocket Universes.

Who's pocket is our Universe in?

Turtles all the way down my friends.
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posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 05:21 AM
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a reply to: stu119



Why do we always assume we are in the start point of creation?


Well in the past that would be a combination of hubris and ignorance.

In this day of age, nobody really believes planet Earth is the start of creation aside of course from the diehard creationists.



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 05:32 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: stu119



Why do we always assume we are in the start point of creation?


Well in the past that would be a combination of hubris and ignorance.

In this day of age, nobody really believes planet Earth is the start of creation aside of course from the diehard creationists.


Sorry, just to clarify, when I say the start point I'm not referring to earth but the whole big bang theory creating everything we know or believe, that it all started by a big bang in this universe we know and we somehow formed within it as opposed to being a by product of something else that was destroyed or passed through a black hole to be reformed and caused the birth of what we now call earth.



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 05:37 AM
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Imagine drawing tiny little dots all over a grenade, then setting it off, we are one of those dots...its an analogue for the big bang.
edit on stpThu, 01 Feb 2024 05:37:32 -060020242024-02-01T05:37:32-06:00kAmerica/Chicago29000000k by SprocketUK because: spelling



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 05:40 AM
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originally posted by: stu119

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: stu119



Why do we always assume we are in the start point of creation?


Well in the past that would be a combination of hubris and ignorance.

In this day of age, nobody really believes planet Earth is the start of creation aside of course from the diehard creationists.


Sorry, just to clarify, when I say the start point I'm not referring to earth but the whole big bang theory creating everything we know or believe, that it all started by a big bang in this universe we know and we somehow formed within it as opposed to being a by product of something else that was destroyed or passed through a black hole to be reformed and caused the birth of what we now call earth.

Interesting. Thanks for clarity.
My thoughts are that consciousness always existed. It just wasn't aware of itself. In order to discover what it was it exploded in dramatic fashion. Splitting its singular nature into the diversity of the universe and creation. Over time as it discovers its own nature and possibilities it will implode on itself..

I guess one too many acid sheets may have lead me to this belief and possibly it isn't a very coherent argument at all.



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 05:43 AM
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a reply to: stu119

According to general relativity, the gravitational forces inside a black hole become so intense that they eventually crush any matter into a point of infinite density.

This would imply that the object is essentially destroyed, or at least its material form is completely obliterated.

So how matter could be reformed does not seem to make much sense considering what a singularity appears to do.



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 06:00 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: stu119

According to general relativity, the gravitational forces inside a black hole become so intense that they eventually crush any matter into a point of infinite density.

This would imply that the object is essentially destroyed, or at least its material form is completely obliterated.

So how matter could be reformed does not seem to make much sense considering what a singularity appears to do.

However doesn't it also theorise that at the death of a black hole the energy is balanced and matter is spat out as well.



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 06:12 AM
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a reply to: Saibot3052

Well, Black holes are theorised to emit Hawking radiation due to quantum effects near the event horizon as far as i understand it.

But if its the likes of white holes you are alluding to, where the matter that enters into a singularity is somehow spat out the other side aka a wormhole of sorts, we have yet to my knowledge to find any candidates and there have been to date no direct observations to support their existence.

Then again if they are connected to another universe, and multiverse theory holds weight, then they would not be observable from our perspective.
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posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 06:23 AM
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I don't think any theory of the creation can be proven within reason.

The big bang makes any speculation on what was before impossible because everything was a single point.

The black hole theory is saying how it got to that point. The scale of this black hole would make it the big crunch. The universe collapses into a single point.

They both explain the same thing but one is an expanding universe and one is a cycling universe.

I say sod it all. Make yourself comfortable and have fun as you will but don't make make yourself too much of a nuisance to others.



You can argue whether the hats are red or blue if you want. Lister said they are supposed to be green.



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 06:29 AM
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a reply to: BeyondKnowledge3

I think you could be right.

Because short of us somehow being able to step outside of spacetime and be able to measure/observe the event.

The question as to what came before our universe, or after for that matter, is pretty much unanswerable bordering on philosophical by nature as opposed to a physics-based conundrum.
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posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 07:59 AM
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a reply to: nerbot
I think you'll find that scientist have proven our known universe is expanding. ie. measuring from our planet to the stars shows that they are moving away from us at an accelerating rate. Ergo, expansion.
If you really want to fry your brain seriously sit and try and think how far is it to the end of space, how big is space. OR So long and thanks for all the fish.
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posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: stu119

Well? That's the most profound thing Ive heard in years. That would explain a lot.



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: mysterioustranger

Its called "Schwarzschild cosmology" or the "black hole cosmological model" and has been about since 1916.


A black hole cosmology (also called Schwarzschild cosmology or black hole cosmological model) is a cosmological model in which the observable universe is the interior of a black hole. Such models were originally proposed by theoretical physicist Raj Pathria,[1] and concurrently by mathematician I. J. Good.


en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=A%20black%20hole%20cosmology%20(also,Good.
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posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 08:21 AM
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a reply to: stu119

We just don't know yet.

Maybe one day we'll have the tools and technology to figure it all out. But today is not that day.

There could be big bangs happening all over the universe all the time for all we know. We might just be too far away to see them.

And an infinite amount of other possibilities, we'll just have to wait and see.



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: stu119

We just don't know yet.

Maybe one day we'll have the tools and technology to figure it all out. But today is not that day.

There could be big bangs happening all over the universe all the time for all we know. We might just be too far away to see them.

And an infinite amount of other possibilities, we'll just have to wait and see.


Very true. Will mankind be around long enough - i'm not so sure, but if we are to believe in our creation we should be open to the belief that we are not the first model that was created and may simply be the sum of recycling previous entities. If people weren't so indoctrinated to religions explanations we may be more advanced in our learnings.



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 08:30 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: mysterioustranger

Its called "Schwarzschild cosmology" or the "black hole cosmological model" and has been about since 1916.


A black hole cosmology (also called Schwarzschild cosmology or black hole cosmological model) is a cosmological model in which the observable universe is the interior of a black hole. Such models were originally proposed by theoretical physicist Raj Pathria,[1] and concurrently by mathematician I. J. Good.


en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=A%20black%20hole%20cosmology%20(also,Good.


i've never come across that before, thanks for sharing, thats essentially what i've been thinking from reading and viewing other material.



posted on Feb, 1 2024 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

I do know a bit about this and was familiar with topic. Looking at my library, I'm thinking a discussion on this wasbin a book or books from the late 1970's.

If I can find reference, I'll post it.

*PS I think maybe we got it backwards. We ARE the Black Hole.

Thnx, God Bless



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