House Bill 3084 labeled 'Oklahoma furry bill'

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: Halfswede

But it did exist 40 years ago. The Internet was just not available like it is now. It is like all other information. Someone breaks a leg in an earthquake in China and the world knows. Back then, no one even knew if someone fell off a ladder in your own town. The availability, what is news and information has changes a lot in that 40 years.

You misunderstood my point. There were no kids asking to be addressed as anything, nor were there issues with kids wearing costumes (at any age) to school. Teachers weren't fired for going along or not going along. People coped with their own issues and you didn't need laws to handle it. Now apparently because people don't know how to cope and want to bring their nonsense into the classroom, you need laws.

You are correct in that the internet has normalized a lot of behavior and encouraged a lot of things. One crazy dude who wanted to rape a sheep would be left to his own devices 40 years ago, but now one crazy person gets on the internet and finds another dozen telling him it's not weird or deviant and they will even come over and bring their own sheep and film it.

Remember that guy who killed his son because he found pictures of his dad on his computer eating poop out of a diaper. That was only there because his dad felt it was normal and wanted to share it with his "normal" group of poo eaters online.

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: Halfswede

But it did exist 40 years ago. The Internet was just not available like it is now. It is like all other information. Someone breaks a leg in an earthquake in China and the world knows. Back then, no one even knew if someone fell off a ladder in your own town. The availability, what is news and information has changes a lot in that 40 years.

Now you can look up where furcons are and instructions on making fursuits on your smart phone.

Just for information, only about 10 to 20% of furries do the costume thing, fursuiting. So it is a small percent of a tiny percent of the general population. This is consistent over all furcons by number in fursuits vs number attending. Others do art, computer games, music, board games, etc.. but no one is complaining about that part.

while your knowledge of all thing "furry" is a bit scary, I do think you are missing the bigger picture, which was pointed out. This wasn't "normal" before. It's not "normal" now, but there is an effort to make it that way. Just as a dude claiming he's a chick has always been a thing, the rest of the world didn't used to have to play along, now we do.

Things are changing, and not for the better. Now get off my lawn.

a reply to: Halfswede

No, I don't remember that guy. Never heard of him and would rather have not heard of him

Ok, you have a point. The younger generations have fewer and fewer coping skills. Each generation seems to get weaker in that area. The teachers can't deal with it as they once did because they are weaker then the teachers we knew on that past. It just properuates the problem of coping.

I still don't see any difference between furries and another group of the same age that should be singles out. Goths, nerds, athletes, for examples. They all do their own thing.

Just fix the dress code and be done with it. No need for state laws in this case.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Disgusted123
Banning porn and furries in Oklahoma.

This is what legislators have time for with all the OTHER things people are bitching about?

Again, what is the OBSESSION Republicans have with others and their bedroom activities. It's weird, creepy, and not normal.

Porn and dressing up is actually normal activities for adults, but worrying about others doing it, ISN'T.

Bolding mine, words yours.

Answered your own question mate.

If the left kept THEIR bedroom activities to themselves and didnt shove it down the public's throat, the Republicans wouldn't care.

And it ALL needs to stay out of the schools.

when you say it like that, it makes so much sense, but if I get good and upset/offended before I read it, you are just mean and wrong.

I am a middle aged white man, of course I am mean and wrong.

Well, as pointed out by the 2nd or third poster, "furries" seems to have some connection to bedroom behavior,, as the reaction was something something republicans something stay out of our bedroom behavior choices.

Perhaps you can clear this up since you seem quite knowledgeable. Is there any "Bedroom behavior", and just to be clear, I mean sexual behavior that is part of furries activity that involves the costumes and or identity stuff? Because if it's 100% just people dressing up in costumes like kids do for weeks leading up to Halloween, then purely dress code should handle it. If it is part of some online fetish community, then there may need to be laws to protect the kiddies you know.

Colorado father is found guilty of killing his 13-year-old son Dylan Redwine in a fit of rage after the boy found photos of him wearing a red bra and eating feces from a diaper

To point out the obvious, he felt shame, so much so that he killed his kid. Shame because he knew it was highly deviant and wrong even if it was normalized in his freak group. Shame has a purpose. It it to give you a hint you aren't acting in an upright manner.

Houston woman, two men tried to have sex with a canine, say prosecutors

This is why any normalization of weird stuff has to be managed. 99% of kids see something like this (not the news, the activity) online and they can process it as utter filth. The one confused kid or adult sees hope and acceptance.

Deviant stuff having happened for a millenia doesn't mean we play along and or celebrate it.


As to the coping skills, we are in full agreement. It is the root of many of our current problems. Kids are sheltered from adversity at every turn to the point that when they reach the age where they have to deal with it on their own, they can't and they act out in mysterious and sometimes very dangerous ways. Everyone added fuel to this fire, so it's not fair to point at just one thing or another. The place we have some control of it is with parenting and to some (weakening) extent schools. Kids need to learn to deal positively with boredom, angst, loneliness, etc. from the earliest opportunity.

a reply to: Halfswede

As far as bedroom behavior, furries are pretty normal for the most part. Two concenting adults is acceptable. The fursuits are quite warm under normal circumstances so actual sex in them would probably kill one or both. It is like wearing an insulated coverall. Hyperthermia is always a danger. They also cost from around a thousand to over ten thousand dollars and are custom made to fit and the individuals preferences as to species mixes, markings, what style they are ( from tooney to realistic), etc.. A fursuit is not something you would risk damaging.

All the ones I know consider actual animals and children off limits.

I read about a woman going to DragonCon that wanted one guy from every fandom during that convention. There is kink in all fandoms. As I stated in the previous page about what I have seen at other cons. An anime con had classes in the Japanese art of tying people up. Several cons have had burlesque shows. All scheduled shows of this type are strictly adult only with con badge and id checks at the door.

Furry is not any more kinky than your average science fiction convention at night. Probably quite a bit less.

a reply to: BeyondKnowledge3
To be clear, I think this bill is not the appropriate venue to deal with this, nor is it even crafted well, but I do understand how we've painted ourselves into these corners. 40 years ago if a bill like this or any related bills dealing with affirmation of silliness came out, people would literally say, "What?", because it was a non-issue and indulging nonsense was not so much a thing.

It just wasn't given a platform where one didn't belong. A teacher would say go home and change your clothes and you wouldn't have some activist parent running to defend it. I remember kids having to turn shirts inside-out etc. They just did it because they knew exactly that they were doing it for attention and disruption. They might have been mildly rebellious, but had enough respect to know they weren't being harmed in some way and just fixed the issue. Kids just had an understanding of general respect for societal norms even as edgy teens.

I don't think anyone will argue that we are happier, healthier, better at handling adversity, and more fulfilled than we were then. Sometimes the proof is in the pudding.

Whether superman, or Benji, none of this needs to be another distraction for teachers and students in schools, so now we have overreach responding to overreach.

So the mental health system is in fact, a failure. 😀

Furies have always been the best builders in second life. They make wonderful dragons.

originally posted by: WingDingLuey
So the mental health system is in fact, a failure. 😀

There is a mental health system in the USA? Haven't seen one in years much less a working one.

a reply to: Disgusted123
well if you read anything you would see it targets students at school, usually homosexual students pretending to be animals. These children are clearly as severely mentally ill as the trans students. You will find nowhere in the text saying you are hereby banned from walking the streets of Oklahoma, or your own driveway for that matter as your choice of furry non human mammal.

You should read things before commenting.

originally posted by: Disgusted123

Again, what is the OBSESSION Republicans have with others and their bedroom activities. It's weird, creepy, and not normal.

Agreed; but than again why are bedroom activities being paraded around schools?

originally posted by: Dandandat3

originally posted by: Disgusted123

Again, what is the OBSESSION Republicans have with others and their bedroom activities. It's weird, creepy, and not normal.

Agreed; but than again why are bedroom activities being paraded around schools?

Ask the teachers

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

What are your thoughts on this ATS? I really think that whatever is happening in a child's household is a reflective of what's happening in the school environment.

Those things are creepy, and I have seen pictures of Burning Man. I'm all for a normal animal, but those costumes make me uncomfortable.

I'm all for being whatever you want on the inside. But those pictures are weird. I can't imagine it being anything but distracting in a learning environment.

"Now kids, I want to ignore the technicolor product of your nightmares sitting were Tommy use to."

Underneath, this seems like an extension of keeping uncomfortable identity things postponed until 18. Postponing anything with a "trans" prefix, so it doesnt influence their thinking. The hope being, the phase that makes them a space squirrel will have passed by adulthood. And if it hasn't they can have really weird sex parties in adulthood.

It's trying to prevent a perverse sex map by keeping children from drifting out of the comfort zone of Christian ideology.

They are counter grooming measures. Stop our kids from being transgender space squirrels.

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Having read this Rolling Stone article it appears Humphrey can't come up with any real sources for his claims of children exhibiting extreme animal behaviour in school. So who really needs to see a psychiatrist?

Humphrey says he’s heard “reports” of such instances but did not cite a specific incident. “Why are we going to bring in a litter box and put it in a room? Are they allowing those kids to actually use litter boxes?” he asks, incredulous. “If you think that you’re an animal, that’s a mental health issue, and we need to get you mental health assistance. Some people are going to say, ‘Well, they’re being artistic.’ There’s nothing artistic about mental illness.”

When asked why he decided to use the term “furry” in his bill, Humphrey brought up mental health once more, saying, “There’s an actual psychological term that goes with that, but it’s very, very difficult to pronounce. So I just use furries because that’s what everybody’s calling them.” He also implies that dressing up as an animal is a fetish of sorts: “We’re there to educate. We’re not there to teach sexual habits.”

www.rollingstone.com...

Humphrey obviously can't be bothered to research the child developmental psychological condition and he attributes all furries or fuzzies as being a sexual perversion condition, where if you read the article, most are not. Furries will tell you they don't identify as animals, rather they identify with animals and it's an identity thing not a sexual thing, but there are those that use it as a fetish, not to confuse the two.

All in all, depending on the type of child's behaviour in school should be left to those trained professionals in the school to assess and determine the next steps because child psychology is a complex science and Humphrey needs to get a clue.

No evidence article:

www.reuters.com...

It is pretty easy to determine whether your kid is a fursona. However, we must note that being a fursona isn't a medical condition but rather a personal identity. With that said, here are some of the ways you can use to tell if your kid is a fursona:

Observe Your Kid's Behaviours
One possible sign is a fascination with anthropomorphic animals, such as talking animals in movies or TV shows, or an interest in animals with human-like characteristics.

Another sign could be an interest in drawing or creating art featuring anthropomorphic animals or a desire to create or wear costumes or outfits inspired by these characters.

Keep Track of Their Conversation
Some kids might keep things secret simply because they fear you. After all, you are a very strict parent. However, while they keep the secret against you, they will probably talk about it with their friends or interact with furry content.

In such cases, you can opt for a handy tool such as parental control app like AirDroid Parental Control. It can track your kids' conversations and activities on their mobile devices.

AirDroid Parental Monitoring

Have a transparent and honest conversation with your kid if you happen to suspect or identify that they are into the furry subculture.

For you, it will be better to take more time to learn more about furry. Furthermore, allow them to express their interests as well as themselves without judgment or ridicule. This can help you to understand your child's interests better and provide them with the support they need to explore their creativity and identity.

www.airdroid.com...

a reply to: quintessentone

“can't come up with any real sources for his claims’ as YOU say is quite different to ‘did not cite a specific incident” as the article states.

Then you say “Furries will tell you they don't identify as animals, rather they identify with animals”.
I have to ask, if your statement is true, why do they want litter boxes in the room?

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: quintessentone

“can't come up with any real sources for his claims’ as YOU say is quite different to ‘did not cite a specific incident” as the article states.

Then you say “Furries will tell you they don't identify as animals, rather they identify with animals”.
I have to ask, if your statement is true, why do they want litter boxes in the room?

They never did, that was debunked. Let's ask why that politician thinks children in school are exhibiting sexual fetishes? That's what everyone should be concerned about, that being where your politician's heads are at - not at bettering life for everyone - rather focused on children and sex. With seemingly no desire to do any research into developmental child psychology or find real sources to prove their claims.

Private school allows child to maintain animal identity for their wellbeing:

www.indy100.com...

a reply to: quintessentone

“They never did, that was debunked.”

“ Reuters has not found evidence of widespread cases of schoolchildren identifying as “furries” disrupting classrooms for this reason. “

“Widespread”
Interesting choice of words.
This means they found cases but that they weren’t widespread.
That’s great news it’s not widespread just yet.
Kudos to the people in charge for trying to get ahead of it. The degeneration of society is increasing at such a rapid rate.
If only they could have gotten ahead of the trans mental issue before it became a problem like it is.
Or the opioid crisis that led to the fentanyl crisis.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: quintessentone

“They never did, that was debunked.”

“ Reuters has not found evidence of widespread cases of schoolchildren identifying as “furries” disrupting classrooms for this reason. “

“Widespread”
Interesting choice of words.
This means they found cases but that they weren’t widespread.
That’s great news it’s not widespread just yet.
Kudos to the people in charge for trying to get ahead of it. The degeneration of society is increasing at such a rapid rate.
If only they could have gotten ahead of the trans mental issue before it became a problem like it is.
Or the opioid crisis that led to the fentanyl crisis.

Flying off the handle in seemingly paranoic tangents detracts from the reality of this subject matter. It's a child developmental stage or some other type of disorder the child needs to use to express themselves or feel safe within a certain group and it is not for you, nor I, nor any politician without a degree in child psychology to ascribe to sexual deviancy.

Reuters is just one source, do your own research and find out the truth when children choose to take on the identify of an animal - usually very young children do this when they identify with human personified animals/cartoon characters they see on screen.

As to being widespread, the only thing widespread we all need is for people to do their own research.