Iran has Bombed Pakistan

a reply to: Vermilion

I didn't say everything everywhere I said "open access to inspectors" , they are different things.







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a reply to: gortex

Just because Trump said it's a bad deal doesn't mean it was , it was Obama's deal which is the only reason the orange idiot axed it , so petty.

Quite right.
It may not have been a brilliant deal, but it was better than what was in place before it and better than what has been in place after it.

I'm a firm believer that Appeasement does not work, but a certain amount of contact, diplomacy and mutual respect is required if nations are to coexist.
None of that has been happening recently with Iran.

There can be no denying that Iran has become increasingly meddlesome and emboldened over the last few years.
I'm sure some of that has been down to the scrapping of Obama's deal just as I'm sure that Biden's incompetence has also contributed.

But I also feel Iran feels there is a reluctance on 'The West's' behalf to get involved in another military conflict in The Middle East, Iraq and Afghanistan are still pretty fresh in people's minds.

In addition there is also the undoubted centuries old enmity between Sunni and Shia, something that can not be underestimated.

And finally, but very importantly, we have to consider internal Iranian politics.
Even the most informed observers of Iranian domestic politics know relatively little about the goings on there and who is really pulling the strings at any given time.
Khamenei is old and frail and people are jostling for position to succeed him.
The 'Old Guard' are scared they will lose their power and influence and that may be shaping their foreign policy.
There is ever increasing discontent amongst the younger generations with the Old Guard and the repressive nature of Iranian society. Some of the Mullahs want to appear more liberal and relax certain rules whilst others feel those currently in power are too liberal and believe that they should be even more fundamentalist in approach and intolerant of dissenters and non-believers etc.

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard has enormous influence and many of its leaders feel a more aggressive foreign policy is required.
Its also thought that the Hojjatie have infiltrated all levels of government, judiciary and the IRG and are actively seeking to bring about their long term goal of forcing The Mahdi out of occultation.....and all that would mean.

I have no doubt there are other factors influencing Iran's increased involvement in events in the Middle East and there can be no denying they are intent on poking more than one hornet's nest at the moment.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: tanstaafl
So Iran giving up most of its enriched uranium , dismantling the majority of its centrifuges , filed its reactor's core vessel with concrete and gave open access to inspectors of its nuclear facilities and the facilities that supply it is a "garbage deal"?

Yes it is - if you understand that all of that was just empty promises to get what they wanted.

Trump supporters.

Aka realists, truth seekers, and liberty lovers.

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: gortex

Who gave them billions?

Nobody , they had billions of their own money returned that was illegally held by the US before a court judgment that would have given them billions more than they actually received.

Actually we have forfeiture laws,and technically we could had took the money.

"Pakistan launches retaliatory airstrikes on Iran after Tehran attack"

New War

Here we go. I'm not sure if people know that those two countries have hated each other for centuries. Same with India and China. I have said in the past I'm more worried about those countries going full out war with each other than many we seem to always focus on.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Long as they dont nuke anyone else,let em.