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Silent Moments --In Memory of Beloved Member TDDA

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posted on Jun, 1 2024 @ 11:07 AM
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Now I see: Translator -again- changes "I" and "humans in general" with "you".

I do now type without I do not trust the translator. Not did say you are easy influenced by signs. I was reflecting about me. I can a bit english but not many. I do not knowing when is okay to direct translate. When not.




posted on Jun, 2 2024 @ 06:31 AM
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a reply to: Naftalin

I was translating a Russian document mentioning a lake the other day.

Bing Translator inserted "Baikal" after "Lake", even though Baikal wasn't mentioned at all, and rather distant from the lake mentioned. Merkwürdig

Cheers



posted on Jun, 2 2024 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I always use Google translator. I don't need a translator to read, unless I stumble across words I don't know, but they're easy to google with a right click. That's why I can read the text again from the translator beforehand. I then notice major errors. What I find very strange is when my sentences are completely turned around. Sometimes 2 sentences are combined into one and half the information is then missing.

My last major post is a prime example. When I read through it and try to understand it myself, I notice a lot of things. Sometimes it's enough to make me grit my teeth because it can be misunderstood. See the first sentence... I'm currently torn about how I can do better. Because it really annoys me and gnaws at my ego a bit to have to rely on the translator every time it has to be readable and I still have to check that too.

I'm too confused about the tenses and the grammar. I know you can often - but not always - translate directly. What would be better, to start with translating everything 1:1 until it runs smoothly or to start from the beginning and learn everything fresh? Ich versuch mal eine Mischung aus 1:1 und wenn es sich falsch anhört dann drehe ich worte so wie ich es von euch schon gesehen habe.




1:1
I find the fish rightful funny, it is one fresh concept. Out of this like I how the speaker at the end then the unprecison upclears.


the verb at the very end has to go somewhere else and therefore I have to write it differently, but where and how? Of course I can test it here in the translator, but I still don't know why.

My attempt to make it sound more correct:



I find the fish rightful funny, it is one fresh concept. Out of this like I how the speaker at the end upclears then the unprecison.


This doesn't make sense in my language anymore, but hopefully in yours?



posted on Jun, 3 2024 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: Naftalin
Hi friends,
Hi Naftalin

It's great to hear from you. I think your English is very clear and understandable and I highly enjoy reading your writing style and the ideas behind it. I teach English, so feel free to ask any questions about tense that come up!
I got your wonderful email and will respond there soon. The pics made me happy.

I wanted share a quote from TDDA that I cherish and which goes very well with what Ray wrote on the previous page:

Love is the only thing that doubles if you share it.

I'm thinking of our dear friend today and have lit a (beeswax) candle in her honor. It's a beautiful strong flame. 🤍🪻



posted on Jun, 3 2024 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: zosimov
Hello Zosimov,

only the text in the boxes have I writed. Now I interpret 1:1 from my language. The other texts was from the interpreter -my new learned word for translator, thank to Andi with the dog avatar. The pictures are still from Monster Jam, they have not any more in the email fitted.

Now try I fix the order of the words so sentence sound similar to when I read here or hear. Then modify I the time tense. It is past? And it all ready done. Is then simple past? The table on language website say:
- was when single
- where when plural
- have = had


Result

Hello Zosimov,
only the text in the boxes had I wrote. Now I interpreted 1:1 from my language. The other texts were from the interpreter -my new learned word for translator, thank to Andi with the dog avatar. The pictures are still from Monster Jam, they have not fitted any more in the email .


Now I'm back in the interpreter. That was exhausting. I had to google the verb tenses. Do you as a teacher have a good website where I can get the tenses of verbs? It's enough for me if you tell me I'm on the right track.

Here are a few exercises I tried myself. I can't remember them yet.

Simple Past: Zosimov was, People were, The church was, the churches were,
Present: Zosimov is, People are, The church is, the churches are
Future, voluntarily action: Zosimov will, People will, The church will, the churches will
Future, mandated action: Zosimov has to, People have to, The church has to, the churches have to
Future, allowed action: Zosimov must, People must, The church must, The churches have to
Future, not allowed action: Zosimov must not, People must not, The church must not, the churches must not



I hope you have a nice time, thank you very much for your offer of help

edit on 3.6.2024 by Naftalin because: fast fixed used ATS name, not discord name from you.



posted on Jun, 3 2024 @ 05:52 PM
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In my frenzy of learning I forgot the most important thing! I know this sentence from her. Beeswax candles were her favorite, she used to make candles herself


This also means friendship and the happiness that comes from it. Both are love, neither is weaker, it is just a different kind of love. I scrolled through WhatsApp a bit and picked out the less intimate ones. To share here.

"Sooooo nonsense. Time doesn't heal wounds, the right people do. Just sulk. Or come over. Yahtzee, schnapps and fresh vanilla croissants. I'll make you some. If you say yes right away I still have time.

"You know, some people are so poor that all they have is money, you can't buy a soul with that.

"I think the meaning of life is simply to give others a meaning to live. It can be so simple.



posted on Jun, 3 2024 @ 08:49 PM
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Those are three exceptionally profound and beautiful quotes, Naftalin... thank you for sharing! Tess was a truly profound soul.

By the way, I understand perfectly what you post; try not to worry so much about the translations. Just the fact that you can read in English and occasionally use a dictionary, puts you at an advanced level... the fluency in writing will surely improve over time, especially with zosimov's guidance, who I wish I had had as a teacher when I was a youngster... I may have actually learned something.


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posted on Jun, 4 2024 @ 02:34 PM
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I'm about to leave, hence the translator. Well, that thing helps me the most, for starters. I can compare right and left. And since the sections between . and , often mean the same thing, I just remember half the sentence. I've already used this shortcut a few times. It works quite well for short sentences! Not the ones the translator spits out now. Because when I use it, I write directly in German.

And then I have much more sophisticated sentences and the translator then somehow knocks them together
. To learn or try something out, or if I really don't understand something at all, I still always need the translator. I do understand English words that I come across in everyday life. Words like "life work balance". Or "world of wonder". It looks very similar in German and I also come across technical English words in my hobby.

Writing yourself is much more difficult. Writing something. First formulate the sentence in my language, in your head. Then translating every word and then trying to change the grammar is quite an adventure. And I'm not on the computer that often, although I've been more regularly recently.

Nevertheless, I thank you for the encouraging words and hope you all have a good time.




posted on Jun, 5 2024 @ 09:54 PM
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originally posted by: Naftalin
a reply to: zosimov
Hello Zosimov,


Simple Past: Zosimov was, People were, The church was, the churches were,
Present: Zosimov is, People are, The church is, the churches are
Future, voluntarily action: Zosimov will, People will, The church will, the churches will
Future, mandated action: Zosimov has to, People have to, The church has to, the churches have to
Future, allowed action: Zosimov must, People must, The church must, The churches have to
Future, not allowed action: Zosimov must not, People must not, The church must not, the churches must not



I hope you have a nice time, thank you very much for your offer of help


Hello Naftalin,

I'm sorry to have missed you when your brain was all abuzz with learning.
You are on the right track there with the tenses. Let's start with the simple tenses and we can learn some of the others later.


Simple present tense denotes day-to-day actions, facts, routines;
I eat, Naftalin eats
I am, he is, we are
The sun rises and sets
We like pizza
I play baseball, Naftalin drives speedy cars

Simple past for actions that are finished.
Regular verbs take the "ed" ending
walk = walked
talk = talked
We walked up the hill. She talked to him for hours.
Irregular verbs must be learned individually/memorized
eat = ate
think = thought
teach = taught
I ate breakfast at midnight. (that is for tdda's little one) Naftalin thought that was funny.
The boys played a great game.
It was funny. They were funny.

Future, like you wrote, uses "will"

Zosimov will write, Naftalin will cook, The neighborhood cats will prowl

You have the mandated and not allowed actions right; must is another word for mandates or rules though too.
You must fill out the forms completely.
Allowed action might be can
You can swim here. You can drive my car if you want.

Here's a website which you might find very useful; my colleague put this together. There is a lot of great information/resources here. Let me know if you have any questions.
www.eslwebroom.com...
(I have been crazy with work lately. Things should slow down after next Thursday.)
I hope you are doing well; have a nice time Naftalin!
edit on 5-6-2024 by zosimov because: oops linking the site

edit on 5-6-2024 by zosimov because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 11 2024 @ 12:00 PM
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Do not worry about because you missed me here


The website is good!

1. SIMPLE PAST I - 'be' verb
2. SIMPLE PAST II - regular verbs
3. SIMPLE PAST III - irregular verbs 1
4. SIMPLE PAST IV - irregular verbs 2
5. SIMPLE PAST V - negative
6. SIMPLE PAST VI - yes/no questions questions
7. SIMPLE PAST VII - WH- questions

All 76%-98% score, lesson 5 100%.

Maybe more possible. I did not understand first: In multiple choice, the sentence formulated like question is not correct. In German translate 1:1 it is valid rhetorical question. In English it is wrong nosense.

Thank you for this kindest offer Zosimov. I look out that I do not go on your nerves too much.


I receive US radio sometimes, American Forces radio. When it is boring for me in my truck, I switch to AFR eagle and try say it like the American speaker, parts that repeat. Immitate the voice


"Hunter Biden was convicted today"
On radio now there.
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