Redacted: Lockheed's SECRET UFO crash retrieval program

a reply to: vance2

why trust any of these people who say nothing except in a SCIF and even than it may have had more to do with sensors and what not than what was seen

i have seen 2 thing 1 im sure was natural and the other the dividends of trillions of R and D work at the atoms edge of the blade.

things like



or the series



and these are older than most of the posters here.

IMAGINE what they have floating around


why did the U-2 get the ax, missiles and jets like the MiG-25 took the sr-71 in to range of more and more advanced missiles and radars and an adversary willing to blow engines out of some of their best interceptors to just get shots ment its days were numbered, why did it go to NASA and continue to do some interesting work.

satellites can be blinded from the ground temporarily or not so much, heck you can even get in to Russian sats with the right laser theory.

the US made a spy sat called MISTY with all sorts of defensive and stealth features, i get the stealth baloon thing i guess but what did it need to defend its self from?

there is for sure atleast one sub orbital creation out there, and not to new.

imagine what they really want for Christmas

a reply to: 1ghostscalling1

There may have been some interesting prototypes and tech demonstators tested at certain bases but not a whole series made from the F22 design and hidden away. They scrapped the tooling for it.

Go over the Aircraft section on ATS and look at some of the amazing threads there written by people with lots of knowledge on this subject.

ATS Aircraft Forum

a reply to: Kurokage

what is the only fighter we have not sold? the F22 and F23(maybe to japan)

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Have wondered all the same if indeed they had the likes of these "Fluxliners".

Which apparently resembled tech from the 50s/60s.

And all the additional information about how they operate/fly that has been accumulated over the years and presented at these conventions.

Why is nobody building one of these in their tool shed or back garden if the physics is proven or understood even in layman's terms?

a reply to: 1ghostscalling1

That has to do with the protection of advanced technology and maintaining military air superiority.

Then there would be the national security concerns and cost and production limitations to consider.

A lot of nations around the globe simply don't have the technology and infrastructure in place to be able to maintain the likes of F22.

The decision not to export it is a combination of technological, strategic, and geopolitical considerations.

a reply to: 1ghostscalling1

The F23 was a technology demonstrator that was in the ATF competition with the F22 and lost out and was never produced.

The reason the F22 was never sold was cost and Lockheed stopped producing it. Orginally 750 were to be procured by the US airforce but only 187 were made before it was canelled due to rising costs. Japan have neve bought the F23, they have the F35 thou'.

Look up the NGAD. The US is already looking at a future air dominance replacement for the F22.
www.popularmechanics.com...

a reply to: Kurokage

And by the way…….our tax dollars at work



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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Have wondered all the same if indeed they had the likes of these "Fluxliners".

Which apparently resembled tech from the 50s/60s.

And all the additional information about how they operate/fly that has been accumulated over the years and presented at these conventions.

Why is nobody building one of these in their tool shed or back garden if the physics is proven or understood even in layman's terms?

Although we should be in a Jetson’s age by now…….do you really want a general public, jammed packed, overcrowded skies of personally owned anti-gravity vehicles?

Imagine the insurance costs…….

Anyway……Mark McClandish……showed an official NASA document at the Greer National Press Club event….in which he said…..that showed spherical and lenticular shapes that were being wind tunnel tested by NASA. And that was a long time ago….

Imagine the follow on research & development since then…..by now there should be black budget working models of some of those shapes …. Imo.


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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Although we should be in a Jetson’s age by now…….do you really want a general public, jammed packed, overcrowded skies of personally owned anti-gravity vehicles?

It's not about what you or i wish or want Ophiuchus1.

It's about the fact that if humanity can do a thing, it generally stands that we do, do that thing.

And we are not producing or fielding the likes of Fluxliners anywhere i can see that happens to stand up to any sort of scrutiny or examination.

Again Ophiuchus1 if the technology was viable, understood, or implementable, i imagine we would be seeing the applications of such well by now if indeed antigravitational flight and/or propulsion systems of the electromagnetic/electrogravitic sorts have been understood since around the 50s/60s, or before.

I want to believe as much as the next fellow, but unfortunately, that simply does not make it the case.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: 1ghostscalling1

The F23 was a technology demonstrator that was in the ATF competition with the F22 and lost out and was never produced.

The reason the F22 was never sold was cost and Lockheed stopped producing it. Originally 750 were to be procured by the US air force but only 187 were made before it was cancelled due to rising costs. Japan have neve bought the F23, they have the F35 thou'.

Look up the NGAD. The US is already looking at a future air dominance replacement for the F22.
www.popularmechanics.com...

the better aircraft lost out.... some how that doesnt seem plausible

look at Japan's new fighter and tell me there isnt some Widow DNA in that frame.

you assume nothing was done with it because that's what someone told you, and if you did know something you couldn't say anyway.

There is at least one as far as i know an aircraft that has played MAJOR roles in at least 3 conflicts that has never been disclosed officially other than one time on a documentary i was watching i saw it sitting on a runway and that documentary is no longer around.

The Widow was to good to just toss, i'm not saying they went into mass production but i bet a few airframes are out there.

There is no disclosure of a sub orbital platform but from time to time you can see its dull yellow light walking quickly over the horizon

Things can be kept a secret forever but you cant stop the public from getting a little peak from time to time.

a reply to: 1ghostscalling1

you assume nothing was done with it because that's what someone told you, and if you did know something you couldn't say anyway.

Im assuming nothing, and No one has "told me", I just posted the facts.
The ATF competition was in June 1981 and the aircraft used were tech demonstrators so believeing a few are hanging around just doesn't make sense. Other than 1 off tech demonstrators and prototypes, with most of those buried in the ground at groomlake, the F23 had a very short life, like most of the black projects.
Like I said, go spend sometime reading some of the more educational threads in the aircraft forum, it's not a yellow light you should be looking for it's green.

a reply to: Kurokage

they are both near or sub orbital observation platforms i think they have a shared duties




have you seen the green one?

i have seen personally the yellow light and i have it on pretty good authority its Americas and not someone else

can you tell me if you think the green one is an ISR plat for or a hypersonic nuke dispenser


there is a saying those that don't know, deny and the rest who claim special knowledge


if that were the case you would know your already in breach of a whole list of secrecy acts violations and any documentation from some contractor and maybe other parts of the government saying your not allowed to have it ask Judge Advocate General

a reply to: 1ghostscalling1

"Theoretically", a DEW (Directed Energy Weapon)/laser-equipped stationary platform parked in near Space (above 90,000ft altitude, but not in orbit) would be an effective, possibly the only effective, theater defense against advanced hypersonic missiles.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: Boomer1947

The decades old ARV “Fluxliner” was mentioned in the OP vid….perhaps there’s truth to that…..

Vid on the Fluxliner……..

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I think the US may have filed these patents as part of the obfuscation but then who knows? The guy who filed them is still a Federal Employee.

We have seen NOTHING extraordinary in military fighter jets in recent decades which leads me to conclude that they have no alien craft that they have reverse engineered.

If they could reverse engineer any of this why would they not have it deployed already?

If you did have alien craft, surely you would want that tech shared with NASA for space exploration rather than arseing about on earth in planes and from what I can see, NASA are struggling to do anything of significance with spacecraft, Elon Musk has overtaken them.

Whilst the inability to deliver on time/on budget/on specification seems to be an ever present issue for these contractors- a situation where an advanced yet unpatent-able phenomena is squirreled away for use in specialist super secret applications seems at least possible.

If the big secret is some sort of macroscopic scaling of quantum effects into pumped materials- you're basically dealing with a natural phenomena.
As the discoverer - you could hide how you make the materials, what types of energies are being pumped, at what frequencies etc etc. but within a short period of time- others (including your adversaries) would figure it out.

However- this idea of a private contractor having its wet team engage against a JSOC unit on US soil is possibly the most outrageously unlikely, half credibly sourced claim since Burisch.

If you're on the receiving end of a JSOC action on US soil there is literally no point fighting back.....just waves and waves of constitutionally legal adversaries - with increasingly bigger guns lol.

originally posted by: stu119
We have seen NOTHING extraordinary in military fighter jets in recent decades which leads me to conclude that they have no alien craft that they have reverse engineered.

If they could reverse engineer any of this why would they not have it deployed already?

If you did have alien craft, surely you would want that tech shared with NASA for space exploration rather than arseing about on earth in planes and from what I can see, NASA are struggling to do anything of significance with spacecraft, Elon Musk has overtaken them.

Indeed, this has also crossed my mind too - unless they hit a wall in the reverse engineering alien craft and can go no further.

Like Mark McClandish….Michael Schratt is well known aerospace illustrator, and UFO/Aliens enthusiast…..he sat down for an interview and slideshow presentation with Disclosure Team..about stories of purported true crash retrieval’s.

On a side note, he and his associates do nice artwork…..I have his latest stories and pictorials book “Dark Files”.


Retrievals of the Third Kind (Interview & Presentation) - Michael Schratt

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a reply to: Mantiss2021

imagine these triangles(the small ones at least) and these 'orbs' seen in FLIR cameras on some of our OS's front line defense.

what is the smaller tictacs could intercept it or even using some kinetic kill methods.

i think the us is very safe against pretty much any rocket launched warheads

how do you know there aren't already DEW's out there that a capable of using conjicite points to sent a huge blast of whatever along the earth magnetics own field

i heard that it was used to strike a deep north Korean enrichment site that exploded with such force there wasn't anything left

t h bomb gave people all sorts of nasty little toys like using a nuclear device to drive an array of x-ray lasers right before being turned to plasma and that was like in the 1960's.


imagine what a ground or space based particle beam driven by multi megawatt reactors would do.


i think what most people see is just the real knifes point of out military for the most part. Ontop of it you dont need that many