Complex Systems Won’t Survive the Competence Crisis: Idiocracy Come To Life

a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

In my honest opinion, and from experience in the field of work I'm in, technology has made people dumber and become distanced from the actual work, or learning from someone else. We are social creatures, textbook learning can only go so far, actual experience and being an apprentice is how you really learn.

When the space program was in full swing back during the Apollo saga, engineers would be on the floor with slide squares, measuring tapes, and working alongside the trades, I'd imagine that doesn't happen much anymore.

Where I work we don't even have physical paper blueprints, it's all on an iPad and pretty much everything is drafted up by a detailing computer program, which is just glanced over by an engineer and it's then up to us the trades people to catch the mistakes.
We even have an entire plant that's fully automated pretty much, if one of the workers from there came to my shop they'd be in an entire different world and not know what's going on, but on paper we are the same job.

I think decades of corporate neglect to build their bench has lead to a deterioration in core competencies of many businesses.

For decades corporations have neglected to hier young work force replacements and trane them to preform the work required. Instead corporations have increasingly relied on an aging work force that is now retiring in droves. Corporations are loosing their competent workforce and have no one in the bullpin to replace them.

Corporate solution to this problem is to ignore it and hope the younger work force comes up to speed by osmosis... the result is airplane doors blow out in mid flight because something was missed during manufacturing and design.

I work in the aerospace industry and I see it all the time. You wouldn't believe how much redesign we have to do because our decades old vendors lost the recipe to manufacture their widgets properly.

Anyone that says "diverse voices" is brainwashed badly lol

a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

That's how them people are they are full of hate and Prime energy drinks lol

originally posted by: Dandandat3
So are we suggesting that racism, sexisum and nepotism never interfered with "the best person geting and keeping the job" in the work force of yesteryear?

DEI has its flaws yes; but let us not dulled ourselves into thinking we are leaving behind a perfect system based on ameritocracy.

It would seem we are simply replacing one flawed system for another flawed system. Society functioned in the past, it will function in the future.

You DARE make these suggestions without any source proof? 😀

a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

For thousands of years, the apex societies have changed from producer economies to service economies, where goods are resourced, manufactured and shipped in from everywhere else.

While this seems great initially, the collapse of one line of supply has wider implications due to integrated dependencies and affects just about every other aspect of the society, usually leading to societal collapse.

It has nothing to do with ethical policies. The problems with the jets are the results of greed, abstraction from the goals of production and complexity of the task and laziness, not DEI.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

It has nothing to do with ethical policies.

Neither does DEI.

a reply to: JinMI

That thread was putting all your eggs in one basket.There is strength in diversified systems with redundency built in.Common sense dictates it.

a reply to: zosimov

It most certainly does. For the first time in human history we have societies that have people from all over the world working in cohesion together. Go back not even 200 years and even the most "liberal" society went and found people all over the world for slave labor.

The nation state is evolving for the most part beyond a hegemonic ethnicity or close in relation of cultures. That's what DEI is aimed at, to evovle with the changing demographics, Otherwise if say Canada never changed from the 1800s British citizens would still be the upper caste of society.

He only issue I have with DEI is the equity part, it should just be equality of opportunities. The diversity and inclusion aspect has always beenca goal for most work places already.

originally posted by: WingDingLuey

originally posted by: Dandandat3
So are we suggesting that racism, sexisum and nepotism never interfered with "the best person geting and keeping the job" in the work force of yesteryear?

DEI has its flaws yes; but let us not dulled ourselves into thinking we are leaving behind a perfect system based on ameritocracy.

It would seem we are simply replacing one flawed system for another flawed system. Society functioned in the past, it will function in the future.

You DARE make these suggestions without any source proof? 😀

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a reply to: strongfp

No, it does not.
Those words have nice meanings which have nothing to do with the reality of what's coming into the work force. DEI got a plagiarist hired as the president of Harvard. DEI also allowed Harvard to consistently rate Asians low on character and personality scores and therefore limiting their chances of being accepted into the school despite academic and extracurricular excellence.

I have a beautiful mixed race family, work in a more "diverse" environment than 95% of the population (international language school) and not one who should or wants to be lectured about forced/false virtue.

My life is and always has revolved around a diverse, inclusive, and treated with equal respect world. DEI revolves around racist ideology which limits talented people of all "races" and is insulting to capable and talented people of all shades.

a reply to: zosimov

So the word nepotism, and favoritism don't resonate with you?

A prime example is pretty much all Italian mafias that brought their crime siniticates to the US and found themselves under the thumb of racketeering laws, or the Sri Lankan government only hiring their own family members, or the NSDP of Germany only allowing those "loyal" enough to the party to rule.

See how lack of diversity can lead to disaster?

A quote from Charlie Munger a card carrying capitalist once said:

Imagine a guy stupid enough to think the way to improve science is to kick out all the Jews

Diversity and inclusion can lead to great things.

a reply to: strongfp

There is zero evidence of lack of diversity in places where DEI hasn't wormed itself in. America is as diverse as it gets; we really have something for everyone. What are you going on about regarding nepotism/favoritism, and how does DEI--the reality, not the words in a name--solve that problem?

a reply to: zosimov

Because America is a nation built on not facing diversity head on like some sort of national goal, (which is a failed socialist experiment) but overcoming diversity through settling differences, coming to terms of changing demographics, and that includes corporations and government working together to notice they need to change with the shifting public opinion.

Does the civil rights movement mean nothing to you?
How about the influx of european cultures all clambering over each other to get to the Americas, only to find massive discrimination against one another through old hatreds? And then finding a common ground within less than 150 years.

a reply to: strongfp

You must be having a conversation with another poster. What does your response have to do my question regarding the ways in which DEI solves the problem of nepotism?

Every airline has an informal pilot assignment program that makes sure their unfireable DEl problem children are always paired with adult supervision.
These programs are maintained by aging Boomers who are immune to the kool-aid. As those guys retire and their numbers drop too low to stop the True Blue DEl believers, every flight will be a roll of the dice and eventually there will be one with two defective DEI pilots in the cockpit.
Pray for the people on that flight, they’re going to need it.
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a reply to: Vermilion

These people are also crisis freaks who will find any reason to justify an action.It is like neurosis becoming normal,with the occasional jump in and out of psychosis.It cant last long because it is all a big chess game with the ones relying on logic and reason to win the game always win.The game might be already in the end stage.

a reply to: zosimov

I gave you some prime examples of how nepotism leads to corruption and lack of simple ethics in not only thr work place but in entire societies...

Nepotism isn't inclusive, it's picking and choosing people based on favoritism for a certain group of people. If you have a company that strives to only hire say young males between the ages of 18 - 25, of I dunno Dutch descent, because the owners are Dutch or something they're missing out on a whole world of other males from other age groups or other ancestry, and not to mention missing out on the female work force entirely.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: zosimov

I gave you some prime examples of how nepotism leads to corruption and lack of simple ethics in not only thr work place but in entire societies...

Nepotism isn't inclusive, it's picking and choosing people based on favoritism for a certain group of people. If you have a company that strives to only hire say young males between the ages of 18 - 25, of I dunno Dutch descent, because the owners are Dutch or something they're missing out on a whole world of other males from other age groups or other ancestry, and not to mention missing out on the female work force entirely.

Unless you're hiring for an all-male revue to do striptease performances for female Dutch audiences.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: zosimov

Nepotism isn't inclusive, it's picking and choosing people based on favoritism for a certain group of people. If you have a company that strives to only hire say young males between the ages of 18 - 25, of I dunno Dutch descent, because the owners are Dutch or something they're missing out on a whole world of other males from other age groups or other ancestry, and not to mention missing out on the female work force entirely.

You just described DEI to a T.
I think people see the name of the thing and assume it embodies the principles, kind of like a fascist group calling themselves Anti-Fa seems to fool a lot of peeps.


(My real name isn't zosimov, it's Infallible Righteousness, so clearly I can never be mistaken or otherwise wrong lol)