What connects UFOs, Consciousness, Remote Viewing, Channelling, Meditation & Greek Deities?

This I can get behind. It would explain a lot how the gods are all behaving human like, rather than the frankly infantile notion that a being who made the entire universe bothers so much about one specific species, to the point of micromanaging them.
Greek gods were interacting with humans. Which means they were closer and more substantial than the biblical god.

The idea of the abrahamic gods is probably based on the more tangible gods, but was rewritten to frighten people making him into a supergod more able to observe everything you do, so that the priests could then guilt trip you to do anything using hell.
That said, the old parts of the bible do describe a very petulent, angry, violent god. Again, these are human traits, which means he may at some point be far more tangible and real. But a god like that is merely another inhabitant of our universe rather than a creator.


I can very much believe in another more advanced group of beings trying to meddle with us. After all we are the kings of meddling with nature ourselves.

These ancient beings could even travel dimensions. Hey, anything makes more sense than the invisible bible god.

These beings were also abused for power by some. In ancient history, priests would in some places go through theatrical trickery involving smoke, moving statues, loud noises etc to frighten their congregation and hence manipulating them.

So where are they now, these so called gods? From direct contact and possible DNA meddling to absolute silence.

A very interesting thread.

a reply to: djz3ro

Excellent thread as I tried to contact her once before.

My connect back to your thread and what she has investigated is what came to a head for me in in 2018 December into 2019 was between an increase in UFO's sightings and accelerated visitations of a "thing" while in Sleep Paralysis. The 7' faceless hooded entity. I documented same here on a Paranormal Thread as started by SLED735 and I have since been interviewed and documented by Dr. David Hufford and Dr. Brooks from York University London, UK.

I intentionally didnt document much n UFO's here on ATS and kept it all to Sleep Paralysis as back then I really didnt understand it all. I did document the UFO's on anther blog, The Black Vault. Both timelines read like a diary and support one another. Specifically for researchers like her.

I along with others continue to see UFO's over the Georgia - South Carolina border into 2024. One is a retired commercial airline Captain. We traded emails this week. They are now so routine they are boring. They arent drones, balloons, planes, trains , automobiles, stars, planets or other explainable things.

I only watched 50 minutes of the video so far and already have a page of notes to followup on.

She runs with Dr. Nolan. Thats good enough for me.

Believe

a reply to: Topcraft

While I can't speak for the OP, Personally, I believe it in a sense as well.

We can record certain "earth" noises.
We know that plants communicate with each other.
We know the earth has many types of "energies".

I believe it is a living organism and that there is a ton, we DON"T know.
But I believe we are not living on this planet, in harmony with it, the way we are supposed to.
Think about the Native peoples all over the world and how they used to live in reverence to the planet.

a reply to: djz3ro

Perhaps the rituals, Latin and symbols are for the disembodied consciousness that some channellers, here on Earth, communicate with? As with the neuroscience study below they are just learning how to study this phenomenon.

However, qualitative analysis found coherent and common themes in the channeled responses for many questions. That is, the answers were very different at a superficial level, but when looking at the content themes, there were many similarities.

These somewhat mixed results raise important questions about the nature and meaning of channeling experiences and how to study them.

The authors concluded that channeling is likely a complex phenomenon that deserves more serious study as such perceptions are probably influenced by many, as yet unknown factors that should reveal much about the limits of brain functioning and human consciousness.

neurosciencenews.com...

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Quite honestly I can't believe I'm saying this but it's quite possile that this is what the religions of the world have been pointing to albeit with their message getting twisted through the years.

A direct answer to your question ...

Psychedelics

a reply to: rigel4

I was just about to post that. If you want to see the world the way it should be trip.

I have seen things I cannot explain.
I have been part of events I cannot explain.
I have had the same experience as a child of mine has. This one really gets me.

There is something older, not so much greater or better, than us. Much older.

Civilization on Earth is old enough to when Venus had an atmosphere. It did. I even think Mars did.

The thing I have a hard time with is are the things we see truly extra-terrestrial or are the traveling through dimension and time.

Sometimes I really think it is both...

a reply to: Topcraft

I tend to go with what OP assumes...

Hi everyone, I hope this is suitable. I have logged in coming in from the shadows where I was using this gem of a forum to make sure a topic was worth the time or don’t bother. I noticed the topic and since the Socialist republic of Australia is funding my UFO research, I spent an embarrassing amount of time writing this post - (I don’t want ATS to think I’m a dick). So - today I’ve changed my thoughts and have three things that I hope doesn’t just waste your time!

1. Long live the church of the UFO! I have listened to American Cosmic and have the new Encounters ready to go. UFOs have a congregation, attracts people that need to prove that the church is worshipping nothing (as per atheism), has a bible unless the power goes out and currently requires faith to be a member for all but a few people. Until the second coming ie: Disclosure!

2. Father Jeremy made more buzz than Grusch did before congress. Somehow I believe Jacque Valley spoke about the NHI universe being the opposite to us in the same way that up vs down, left vs right. For example we see evidence of a big bang and expansion - NHI exist with their respective universe shrinking or becoming dense (how electrogravitics/electrokinetics uses the opposite of positive energy (zero point, flux, vacuum energy)). Because of the decision to exclude science, every theory is is valid with a likelihood range - The NHI entities may exist and be interdimensional, as well as NHI that are within our own dimension or from another planet. The NHI entities opposite were stated as having existed for a very long time, as long as humans have existed. I’m noticing holes in this idea but it just made more sense as Grusch speaks very carefully yet aligns himself with the intelligence community members each with additional theories!

Summary of all of this is NHI with dimensional components has existed and is with us now, whilst humans have pursued energy manipulation with the goal of damaging humans or only deception of humans - NHI have made a choice that may only benefit them. With all of the other holes this comment hasIt checks off NHIs dimensional requirement as well as room for sentient jellyfish and such.

This makes a lot more sense than the other valid assessments to me but I’m probably doing it wrong.

3. Greer spoke of EMP Weapons targeting UFOs and “unfortunately a civilian aircraft”. I’ve kept this brief and notified Ashton. And due to the circumstances that this would bring, I will speak no more of this..

Thanks everyone I hope this is interesting to someone?!

Matt

a reply to: djz3ro

What was first, reality or its perception?

It is very intriguing, and there will never be an conclusive answer so long we think matter makes up our mind.

Those more subtle realms change their appearances according to the story that the beholder believes, as if the mind settles the matter...

Fairy tales have many commonalities with ufo lore, and I think the phenomenon is as old as human perception.

Mind over matter is where the truth is buried, but how could you studdy it without destroying perceived reality...

I found my new collection of holes started developing as I struggled to find enough verifiable-adjacent information to provide enough information for a sentence.

- we go bang to expand, they either start out bang and do the opposite from then on, implosion and never end

- commence existence as a full form thing. A complete version of whatever experience we will reach
- The final Product
- Backwards to us, however it would be the same as going out if I were to have started going that way.
- Without the dark energy that occupies all of the invisible stuff of a shaky explanation
- Weinstein becomes a great thought-smith in history ranting about string theory being a dead end road on Rogan a while ago. He states it what he would do if he wanted to distract any new physicists he would say study string theory.
- below is factually correct and is required/mandatory:

Gravity cracked in the same time as the manhattan project. The trick to embed black companies was via Wroght Pattern and the manhattan project having a branch of the manhattan project (UFOs cause radiation from the negative electromagnetic effects).

UFOs therefore are managed by the DOE (department of energy)

Half of me wonders if I’ve become stuck in a K hole or having a yucky acid seizure and am trapped until everything makes sense again.

However, I’m still too lucid, probably why time is at the core of existence. And below are the same rules of my faith!

Until some form of disclosure, we will never have science to back this up and measure from.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: djz3ro

What was first, reality or its perception?

It is very intriguing, and there will never be an conclusive answer so long we think matter makes up our mind.

Those more subtle realms change their appearances according to the story that the beholder believes, as if the mind settles the matter...

Fairy tales have many commonalities with ufo lore, and I think the phenomenon is as old as human perception.

Mind over matter is where the truth is buried, but how could you studdy it without destroying perceived reality...

UFOs may be a thing for mentally colorful folk to concentrate on and disclosure would ruin that.

Takes a long time to twist the suspension of belief and make it move so slowly that all of the mentally boring folk would be chasing all of us across the spectrum..

a reply to: djz3ro

The ancient aspect of the UFO people is truly real. We have matched the artifact correlations with the cave art across the entire world. I have become to know their symbols and I have matched their symbols beginning with the Atlantean artifacts found in south American caves in through to the peoples of ancient nations which remembered what they could from the gods own art and teaching during Atlantean times. I have identified this not by the art of the Atlanteans of long ago, but with also studying hypnosis transcripts from alien abductees.

I am absolutely sure that the gods are the same UFO people, and that the same symbols and correlations can be found in every culture in the entire world that has any mythology about gods, Greek mythology included of course.

In ancient Greece, we find that again there is testimony that at one time long long ago the gods walked with humans. It gets pretty major when I had no belief in channeling but when I read deeply into the Edgar Cayce accounts I was able to verify information to correlate with what I have learned also.

When we go to archaeology we find that these gods lived in the mountains in all the different parts of the world and they setup these glasslike buildings. When the ancient kings of Atlantis were in leadership they were hybrids created in these glasslike houses. They had animal faces and some had human faces with hands of animals. Every night in the walled city at the times very early in Atlantis all the women of the tribe would be housed in the glasslike building for genetic manufacture of children and all children produced every night had to be kept by the state, but some women could marry and have children in the day time with their husbands.

One of the reasons why they were held as gods was because at those times the animals of the earth were vicious and large running down the human populations of the earth. Many of the times they presented themselves they would float in the air above the animal and the animal would be frozen and could not move. This appealed greatly to the savage peoples.

We move on to the Great Flood which was when they brought the waters from below up and pelted the earth with water and fire. I am still marking a time for this, it could have been as Plato said because I have found two other before that which is also confirmed by Plato's account. It would be best to seek out the authentic Mexican artifacts for this because they depict a Great Flood scenario and are made from the years after Plato's, they also depict a Tiahuanaco scenario of Bolivia rising up quickly. We look into these artifacts further and can see exactly what the Native Americans believed that this age was the age of sacrifice. These gods taught us to sacrifice as the Mayans believed but this was a worldwide teaching. I know the personality of the alien because I have come to understand the symbols of the languages. They are beings of a low culture, unlike the potential of humans. In their culture which is very aware of the afterlife, they dig out areas of their planet for them to rest in their soul, so when they came to earth they wanted humans also to be like this and they created the same underground halls for the souls of humans. I am not sure if you are seeing where the information they have given is can take but it gets very unlike what people seem to. They are of such intelligence that it appears they have done good but when they do good it is either tainted in some way or it is for the purposes of a future goal that is for their desire. They are surely aware of the place called heaven. Their name for God is Ra Ta which can be translated as the Light of the Universal Force. The Egyptians seem to remember the full teaching of the way to the underworld they prepared. It involves basically willingly giving your soul to the alien though ways of magic they setup with pictures and the such they gave along with their teaching. This is also how they taught the sacrifice business, which was done commonly by the hybrids which could do human functions, and apparently they did sacrifice their own in the process of teaching us.

a reply to: djz3ro

Ever since I was little I could connect all. I had to learn how to turn it off. Every time I drive I can feel everyone’s energy in cars that pass. It made me crazy until I could control it. I am still crazy!

Now my 15 year old has it!

originally posted by: djz3ro
You can see the relevant bit of the interview below but the full (3hr 32min) video here.

I would definately recommend watching the full interview. The first couple of hours does drag a little bit but it is necessary to fully understand her framework of understanding at that point in time.

What she doesn't mention, or at that time refer to, is terribly interesting. I wonder, given the things she talks about from the 2 hour point, if she has filled that particular gap in her perspective.

I like her a lot. She is a very smart lady.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
Is she right? Is it a new religion?

No she isn't and no it is not, but I can see why she thinks that. She is a very smart lady, she knows her limitations and the wants of the hands that feed her, and she recognises the need for "discernment". She was able to proceed into this field of investigation because of, not despite of, her conservative Christian values. Her research, while academic in principle, is still focused on affirming those values not challenging them.

Throughout the interview she walks up to information, assesses but does not question it (despite proposing a return to the Socratic method of enquiry). When she is told something she only questions it if it questions her. Information is rejected or accepted according to that conservative Christian US-ness by which she defines her boundaries. She is the epitome of someone walking the Narrow Path while fully cognisant that other paths exist. I liked that about her.

So, because of all that, she has been told and shown things which have led her to conclude a "religiosity" is at play and she has decided to believe that (or at least she has decided to believe that "they" believe that). For example, she refers to the space program and practices going back to the very beginning but particularly from the 1950s that indicate a basis of religious practices: First century latin; body practices; classical gods yada, yada, yada. But, just selecting one mission at random, Apollo 10 for example, instantly raises questions against that hypothesis. Yes, the badge has a latin numeral X, and yes, Apollo is a Greco-Roman deity but what about Peppermint Patty, Linus and Lucy? Where do they fit into that hypothesis? Or Acker Bilk's Stranger on a Shore?

originally posted by: Matthebu1
UFOs may be a thing for mentally colorful folk to concentrate on and disclosure would ruin that.

Takes a long time to twist the suspension of belief and make it move so slowly that all of the mentally boring folk would be chasing all of us across the spectrum..

That's my thinking for the most part. Grusch looks and sounds like a useful patsy that has been fed all sorts of flim flam. He fits in nicely with the likes of Greer and co.

Then of course there are the 'remote viewers'. A lot of charlatans running rings round wannabe believers and gullible scientists like Puthoff.

a reply to: djz3ro

There are UFOs and there is the UFO cult (or cults). The first comprise an authentically mysterious but very rare phenomenon, well worth investigating. The second is a typical folk superstition, or rather a mixture of them. Most of the elements of the cult are borrowed, as this thread demonstrates so well, from older faiths and popular folklore. Intellectually, it is of interest only to psychologists and anthropologists.

The two are connected, of course, but only through people who believe in the first and belong to the second. In actual fact there is no connexion between them at all.