Netanyahu offers three 'prerequisites' for ending conflict in Gaza

a reply to: FlyersFan

That post was meant for NorthOS. I do apologise! Tagged the wrong OP.

a reply to: Sands81

Pretty much what FlyersFan said.

Other than, ya my bad, sorry my non-word is hurting people and derailing the OP’s thread.

originally posted by: JAY1980

You are aware Jesus was technically a Palestinian correct?

There's no such thing as a Palestinian. Mr J was a Judean who spoke Aramaic. There is no such thing as a Palestinian in reality. This entity does not exist.

a reply to: FlyersFan

But why would Gaza ever agree to disarm when they've seen what's happened with West Bank?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: FlyersFan

But why would Gaza ever agree to disarm when they've seen what's happened with West Bank?

Are you honestly asking why the palestinians should stop killing Jews?

a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm asking why Gaza would demilitarize when they've seen what that will result in.

If you were given the choice to turn over all your weapons and have your land annexed or keep fighting, what are you going to choose?

The only way this ends without total war and ethnic cleansing is a bilateral treaty that is actually enforced by the international community.

a reply to: Threadbarer

OR. . . Or. . .

The palestinians stop trying to kill all the Jews.

a reply to: DBCowboy

And just submit to an apartheid system, right? Like I said, the example of what has happened in West Bank is a vision of Gaza's future if they demilitarize with no safeguards in place that guarantee their autonomy and ownership of Gaza.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: DBCowboy

And just submit to an apartheid system, right? Like I said, the example of what has happened in West Bank is a vision of Gaza's future if they demilitarize with no safeguards in place that guarantee their autonomy and ownership of Gaza.

Nope.

Just peace.

And recognize Israel as a sovereign state.

Are your palestinians man enough to do that? Or will they stay cowardly terrorists?

a reply to: DBCowboy

I have no problem with that but when Netanyahu starts demanding things like demilitarization with no provisions to guarantee Gaza's continued existence then all he's doing is torpedoing peace talks thanks to Israel's past and continued actions in West Bank.

originally posted by: SharpyMoyron
a reply to: FlyersFan

Netanyahu is talking nonsense. He is saying he won't stop and is asking for things that are not real in order to stop.

How do you deradicalize people by killing tens of thousands of them and their children? He is just making more enemies.

Here is how many Palestinians have been killed so far: Over 20,400 killed and 2.3 million of refugees with thier homes gone.

Here is how many Israelis were killed in October and since:

The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.

This excludes five people, among them four Israelis, still listed as missing by the prime minister's office.

Here

Additionally a 154 IDF soldiers have been killed in the war. Here

So on October 7, the terrorist attack killed around 700 Israeli citizens and 450 foreign workers and security. With the IDF soldiers killed in the war, Israel lost about 850 people. Maybe a 1000. Palestinians lost over 20400. 70% women and children.

Israel needs to be deradicalized. Netanyahu is out of his mind.

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originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: DBCowboy

I have no problem with that but when Netanyahu starts demanding things like demilitarization with no provisions to guarantee Gaza's continued existence then all he's doing is torpedoing peace talks thanks to Israel's past and continued actions in West Bank.

Why do palestinians need weapons to kill Jews?

Why do you want to arm palestinians to kill Jews?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Separate your emotions and actually listen to what I'm saying. I'm not making a judgment call on whether or not Gaza should have weapons.

I'm saying that Gaza will not go for any peace deal that includes demilitarization, especially if there's no kind of safeguards on their autonomy. And a large part of that is due to Israel's treatment of West Bank.

So either Netanyahu needs to be willing to make concessions or he needs to be prepared to commit ethnic cleansing.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: DBCowboy

Separate your emotions and actually listen to what I'm saying. I'm not making a judgment call on whether or not Gaza should have weapons.

I'm saying that Gaza will not go for any peace deal that includes demilitarization, especially if there's no kind of safeguards on their autonomy. And a large part of that is due to Israel's treatment of West Bank.

So either Netanyahu needs to be willing to make concessions or he needs to be prepared to commit ethnic cleansing.

You're saying that the palestinins won't want demilitarization, but it's okay if they don't have weapons?

WTF

a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm saying unconditional demilitarization is a non-starter for peace talks.

There's a chance peace talks could move forward, and include demilitarization, if Gaza is assured that any country that violates Gaza's autonomy would face severe repercussions from the international community.

Something akin to the Budapest Memorandum

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm saying unconditional demilitarization is a non-starter for peace talks.

There's a chance peace talks could move forward, and include demilitarization, if Gaza is assured that any country that violates Gaza's autonomy would face severe repercussions from the international community.

Something akin to the Budapest Memorandum

The palestinians want to kill all the Jews.

They need to lose the ability to do that.

a reply to: DBCowboy

How are you not getting this?

West Bank gave up their weapons decades ago and Israel has subjected them to an apartheid-style system ever since, while taking more and more land from them in direct violation of the treaty between the two.

Knowing that history, why would Gaza voluntarily demilitarize?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: DBCowboy

How are you not getting this?

West Bank gave up their weapons decades ago and Israel has subjected them to an apartheid-style system ever since, while taking more and more land from them in direct violation of the treaty between the two.

Knowing that history, why would Gaza voluntarily demilitarize?

They need to get over all the Jew killing and ending Israel.

They need to have people stop supporting them.

a reply to: DBCowboy

So if Hamas says, "We've had a change of heart. Or ideology is completely changed," then the war stops? Or if the citizens of Gaza overthrow Hamas?

Be realistic.

Even if it happens, Israel is going to demand conditions from them.

So either Gaza demilitarizes with assurances that Israel, or any of their neighbors, will be severely punished if they invade, or Israel kills or removes every Palestinian from Gaza. Which is your preferred option?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
If you were given the choice to turn over all your weapons and have your land annexed or keep fighting, what are you going to choose?.

Israel had the Gaza and gave it away. They haven't been in Gaza since 2006 when Hama was elected to run it. There wasn't ... and isn't ... any 'annexing of Gaza' by Israel going on. There is only Israel defending itself from rocket attacks, terrorist suicide bombers, terrorist attacks, mass murder, mass rape, and calls for it's destruction and genocide of it's citizens.