Christmas Cheers From The Border

a reply to: Xtrozero
You can whoop and holler, "it ain't right" all you want.

I'll tell you what happens, family members get sworn statements and maybe even fake police reports stating that these people have been threatened with death and that is why they joined a caravan.

Yes, they are playing the system. Nothing new under the sun.

But, at the end of the day, it isn't your call.

originally posted by: daskakik

But, at the end of the day, it isn't your call.

Jeez, dude it is called my opinion, not my call... I have posted in the past that we need to change our immigration laws as border lawyers tell them exactly what to say and what paper to fill out. I agree they work every angle and that is why we need to change things to cut out the angles.

Hello my old friend, excellent thread, its what brought me back to ats today... looking at some of the old archives because we have been aware of this for decades now... a reply to: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Jeez, dude it is called my opinion, not my call... I have posted in the past that we need to change our immigration laws as border lawyers tell them exactly what to say and what paper to fill out. I agree they work every angle and that is why we need to change things to cut out the angles.

I get that, but saying they are using it wrong, is also wrong.

They are using it like it was designed to be used. Get here state your case and let's see if you are convincing enough.

"We need to change things to cut out the angles" is your opinion from outside of the circle of those who decide that. I can't help but think this is what they want, even if you can't see why.

originally posted by: daskakik

I get that, but saying they are using it wrong, is also wrong.

I think we can say that our Government is not doing it correctly by the wishes of the people. The list is established by the Secretary of DHS, and who is selected by the President. Because of that, we can say it is very partisan as to what direction DHS goes, and we see the horrible issues we are facing at the border and deep now within our country due to that.

a reply to: Xtrozero
I didn't say you couldn't say that, I said you can't say those applying are doing it wrong when entering illegally and then applying is allowed.

originally posted by: daskakik
I didn't say you couldn't say that, I said you can't say those applying are doing it wrong when entering illegally and then applying is allowed.

There are definitely some gray areas where coming here is illegal and we should be able to prevent people from crossing our borders, but then we have this TPS that says if you are physically here and your country is on the list then you can apply for temporary status. We see that TPS list is normally used in times of war and massive natural weather destruction that has a start and end date, so having a continuous list of the same countries outside of a few defeats the purpose of it of where for an X period of time you are allowed to stay here then you go home as your country drops off the list. I also think it was mainly used for Cuba as people came here on rafts and boats and they could not really go back. Almost half of TPS applicants are in FL and most are Cubans. I'm not sure how a person from Yemen just happens to end up in America to then be eligible for TPS...lol

Outside of TPS which is around 600k people we have an additional 10 million and growing. Mass numbers are really the big point here as in 600k is not an issue but 10s of millions can drastically change in a very bad way the quality of life most enjoy.

a reply to: Xtrozero
You're the one who brought up refugee and asylum status in the post I originally replied to. That was what I was referring to.

I've read about the unsustainable millions of illegals since the 70's. Reagan gave amnesty to almost 3M in one go. I can't help but feel that it is a hyped partisan issue by design.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Xtrozero
You're the one who brought up refugee and asylum status in the post I originally replied to. That was what I was referring to.

I've read about the unsustainable millions of illegals since the 70's. Reagan gave amnesty to almost 3M in one go. I can't help but feel that it is a hyped partisan issue by design.

Actually, I didn't...

My Post you replied to was to show where illegals were coming from, and I was replying to another post talking about illegals coming here from China, India, etc and I just pointed out where the most come from with those two countries 6 and 7 most on the list.

You brought up TPS and asylum seekers..

the US Gov has granted El Salvador, Nicaragua and Honduras temporary protected status, AKA the golden ticket for asylum.

TPS has nothing to do with asylum BTW...

a reply to: Xtrozero
That post:

So in all these cases, we are talking 100% income-based reasons to come here and that is neither refugee nor asylum status.

That is why I said you have no say in who is granted asylum status.

Actually, TPS is fast-track asylum based on country of origin.

originally posted by: daskakik

Actually, TPS is fast-track asylum based on country of origin.

Due to political turmoil in their home countries that causes them to fear persecution based on race, nationality, religion, social group or political opinion.

i.e. Cuba

Not much else out there to fit this in Central and South America.

a reply to: Xtrozero
So, where did I said there were?

originally posted by: daskakik

So, where did I said there were?

I didn't say you made a list, just pointing out that other than Cuba there really isn't much for others to use TBS as a fast track to asylum. Call it expanding on your comment.

a reply to: Xtrozero
You can say it shouldn't be the policy or that the policy should be stricter but that wasn't what I was referring to.

I was only referring to you saying the asylum seekers were doing it wrong.

Can't blame them for being given that option.

originally posted by: daskakik
I was only referring to you saying the asylum seekers were doing it wrong.

Can't blame them for being given that option.

I didn't say that... I said the system is antiquated and all of it needs updating. You suggested they are using TBS as a fast track to asylum and knowing TBS is limited I said that if they all are doing that then they are trying to use it incorrectly.

a reply to: Xtrozero
Antiquated or not, whether you like it or not is beside the point.

That is how it was meant to be used. What other point would there be for TPS, if not to fast-track the asylum seekers from those countries?

originally posted by: daskakik

That is how it was meant to be used. What other point would there be for TPS, if not to fast-track the asylum seekers from those countries?

It is a short-term approval to be in our country until the situation clears up and they can go home. Wars and natural disasters are written as examples, hence the word Temporary.

a reply to: Xtrozero
Yes, I know, I had friends who had it taken away when the gov of Guatemala signed a peace treaty with the guerillas back in 1996.

Still, doesn't change the fact that fast-tracking asylum seekers is the sole purpose for TPS to even exist.

originally posted by: daskakik

Still, doesn't change the fact that fast-tracking asylum seekers is the sole purpose for TPS to even exist.

I don't think I understand what you mean by fast-tracking. With the countries listed, I wouldn't say the brightest minds, the best skilled, best to adapt would come from these. We are talking about refugees of some level and I can see a need for a place for them to live if their country is torn apart by whatever, but I don't see where it is designed to fast-track people to citizenship. The goal would be for them to go back home once the turmoil ends. The fast-tracking part would seem to be partisan-based mostly and not what the program was meant for. I have a sister-in-law whom we paid for her visa almost 25 years ago, so I do have a dog in this fight.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
...I don't see where it is designed to fast-track people to citizenship.

I never said fast-track to citizenship, it only speeds up the process and makes it easier for them to be granted asylum.