Why US double standards on Israel and Russia play into a dangerous game

originally posted by: Disgusted123
Hamas launched an attack and according to reports, which I believe, they RAPED AND AT THE SAME TIME MURDERED AT LEAST ONE WOMAN.

They get what they deserve. IF NOT FOR THAT ATTACK, Israel would not have attacked them.

Same thing happened in the Ukraine. If not for the attack by Putin, Ukraine wouldn't be in a war right now.

When you attack, would you expect those being attacked to welcome you? Would we here in America? NO.

Whatever happens after that attack, well, perhaps those attacking should have thought of that BEFORE killing innocent people for land, wealth, revenge, or power.

a reply to: BrucellaOrchitis

So what about Iraq or Libya, the US/NATO attacked them first (they had nothing to do with 9-11), bombed them and make those country's like hell all in the name, war against Terrorism, and you had an explosion of terrorist/ISIS coming after as a result. Those country's utterly destroyed and still they flee in boats trying to reach Europe, even supported terrorists trying to oust Assad in Syria. Millions of refugees came to Europe... Europe being the US lapdog, as the US is the lapdog of Israel.
Wouldn't surprise me, the US attacking those country's in the ME after 9-11 was just following Israel wishes/plans, only causing destruction and hell and more terrorists in the end. Which costed trillions of dollars, good for NOTHING!

This new Israel stole the land, after ww2 from the people who lived there for ages, and from the start they arrived, drove those people away, and after they put them in the biggest prison, with walls and checkpoints. Doing whatever they want with the support of the US/West, since well Jewish people are special after ww2/hitler and should be supported always!

Israel make their own reality, with their fear that all those country's around them want them gone but it's only because of her own actions this has become reality.
So what would happen after right now since they just bomb everything to hell in GAZA, where many many times more died then the attack of 7 October? They only have created more hate and way more terrorists, not 1 solution, yea sure they just take more land and get all those people out of GAZA, dead or alive but many who got displaced and who survived but their family member who got killed only have 1 reason left to live, death to Israel! Good job Israel!

what double standard, israel was attacked, ukraine was attacked, both are vital to our interests, both act as a buffer between Europe and the middle east/africa, the other between Europe and russia, if both get cut off it'll make trade with Europe difficult and dependent on russia and the middle east and Africa. half our economy depends on Europe so why would we give up the advantage ukraine and israel gives us?

originally posted by: Plugit

This new Israel stole the land, after ww2 from the people who lived there for ages, and from the start they arrived, drove those people away, and after they put them in the biggest prison, with walls and checkpoints. Doing whatever they want with the support of the US/West, since well Jewish people are special after ww2/hitler and should be supported always!

Israel make their own reality, with their fear that all those country's around them want them gone but it's only because of her own actions this has become reality.

It's people like you who parrot biased narratives that have little to do with history or reality. How did the Jews steal land that they had been in for 1000s of years, long before Islam came along?

If you look at old world maps you would see the area called Palestine runs only along the coast just above Gaza and then deep into Egypt. That name was created by conquerers to label an area that had no name yet. The wide areas to the West were Judea and Idumea. To the north going up into Syria and deep into Jordan past the Jordan River were five other Jewish areas.

The term Palestine people was invented in the 20th century, there were no such people. If you wanted to name them by history they would be Egyptians and the people in Jordan. When we look at Jordan they have the same blood, culture, religion, and DNA as the refugees, so they should be in Jordan or Egypt, but neither of those countries want that mess.

Hamas is Egyptian, came from Egypt, and was a faction of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.... But today they are Palestinians...lol

These people were nomads and one could say they traveled around 5 or 6 different countries we see today, so what land was stolen, and by whom?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Plugit

This new Israel stole the land, after ww2 from the people who lived there for ages, and from the start they arrived, drove those people away, and after they put them in the biggest prison, with walls and checkpoints. Doing whatever they want with the support of the US/West, since well Jewish people are special after ww2/hitler and should be supported always!

Israel make their own reality, with their fear that all those country's around them want them gone but it's only because of her own actions this has become reality.

It's people like you who parrot biased narratives that have little to do with history or reality. How did the Jews steal land that they had been in for 1000s of years, long before Islam came along?

If you look at old world maps you would see the area called Palestine runs only along the coast just above Gaza and then deep into Egypt. That name was created by conquerers to label an area that had no name yet. The wide areas to the West were Judea and Idumea. To the north going up into Syria and deep into Jordan past the Jordan River were five other Jewish areas.

The term Palestine people was invented in the 20th century, there were no such people. If you wanted to name them by history they would be Egyptians and the people in Jordan. When we look at Jordan they have the same blood, culture, religion, and DNA as the refugees, so they should be in Jordan or Egypt, but neither of those countries want that mess.

Hamas is Egyptian, came from Egypt, and was a faction of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.... But today they are Palestinians...lol

These people were nomads and one could say they traveled around 5 or 6 different countries we see today, so what land was stolen, and by whom?

Those Jews came from Europe & perhaps Russia after WWII, who lived in Europe, those ppl in that land now called Israel again lived there for hundreds of years, born and raised in those land for generations.
Then they decided, mainly England, to start the new promised land again after it ceased to exist (the Romans erased it) 70 years after Christ (who the Jews killed, their messiah (in which they don't believe of course, when they did they know they go against his teachings surely).

So we should just look at old maps and then decide which ppl should live there with your logic? All those ppl in the US back to Europe and give the land back to the Native Indians for example, good idea!

originally posted by: Plugit

Those Jews came from Europe & perhaps Russia after WWII, who lived in Europe, those ppl in that land now called Israel again lived there for hundreds of years, born and raised in those land for generations.
Then they decided, mainly England, to start the new promised land again after it ceased to exist (the Romans erased it) 70 years after Christ (who the Jews killed, their messiah (in which they don't believe of course, when they did they know they go against his teachings surely).

So we should just look at old maps and then decide which ppl should live there with your logic? All those ppl in the US back to Europe and give the land back to the Native Indians for example, good idea!

Where do you think those Jews in EU and Russia came from...lol

I'm not sure what you want here. For some reason, you suggest it is all Palestinian land, but then say well the Jews are old news they don't count, once again it would be Egypt if you really wanted to pick land. My logic is that there are no people called Palestinians, it was invented in recent times. The Jews have a massive amount of history where they are right now, and then some. The people of Gaza are where they are because that is where Egypt put them and then past it on to Israel. It is not because it is their land from days gone by.

Israel didn't steal land just as Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon didn't steal land. Israel also agreed to the two-party state and Paslsitine turned it down. Then Israel fought 4 or 5 wars and won them all to put the cement on to their claims. Just like your logic above where you think it is stupid to think we give the land back to the Indians after we fought many wars for it. America is America and Israel is Israel. The refugees stuck in between countries are basically screwed since the Muslim countries will not lift a finger to help and they do not want to work with Israel in any way.

Double standards OBVIOUSLY
The whole world witnessing the crimes against humanity.
Crimes committed by corporate-psychopathic GREED.
u.s, israel, france, u.k, and their stock holders, bankers
ignoring the meaning of
SELF SUSTAINABILITY that others cherish.
israel is like a abusive a-hole that abuses his wife,
then cries foul when she the victim, strikes him back.

originally posted by: Lazy88[/post]
The big picture is Hamas is out to kill all Jews

This 'nationalistic stuff is sh@ts.
Get it straight that, history repeats with zionists.
Coincidence ? Think not.
Here's the thing . .
Both Christians and Muslims put
their faith in the 'there after' NOT NATIONALISM.
On the other side Judialism does not teach revelations,
nor life after death,
Judialism = NATIONALISM = exclusionary
expanding to = APARTHEIDISM = THE PROBLEM

btw
Palestine, just as
Germany was NOT nationalistic , UNTIL it's zionists
tried to abuse and control, dividing society by
introducing gay bath-houses, prostitution,
illegal trade in alcohol, then all hell broke loose
and the nasty nazi's were created.
And history repeats once again. *sigh*
For every action there is a reaction, such IS life.
Even woman, who are being mistreated;
Mistreated as second class . .
will eventually fight back against abuse,
abuse such as apartheidism,
and supremacy, same as the
Pals are pushing back.
In the beginning,
No one wanted to kill. . . . till . . .
judiasm should just follow the law of humanity,
TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WANT TO BE TREATED
. . . no one wants to be taken advantaged of.
LEARN SELF SUSTAINABILITY instead of being a parasite.

Someone has to say it *sigh*

ps
Why does u.s push and
fund militarily for Kurd nationalism ?
but neglect and abuse the Pals ?
Answer . . expansionism of 'new age colonialism'
NOT for self-sustainability.

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originally posted by: Lazy88
You do know Hamas the official government of Gaza sanctioned an attack on Israel on Oct 7 with the sole purpose to murder, rape, torture, kidnap and hold civilians hostages as human shields. And Hamas with other Palestinian terrorists have launched over 9,000 rockets at Israel since Oct 7. And thousands more rockets over the years.

How you all continue to say this **** while Israeli has killed 20,000 civilians mostly women and children is beyond me.

You can't provide legitimate evidence to any of your BS claims. No beheaded babies, no babies in ovens, no mass torture, no mass rape. Just more zionist lies to emotionally manipulate you like they did with liberals in Ukraine and with Trump.

Instead we got Isreal bombing Bethlehem and the oldest Christian churches on the planet during Christmas and you still run interference for the nazistic zionist monster that would gladly line you up against the wall with Palestinians if given half a chance.

originally posted by: JAY1980

How you all continue to say this **** while Israeli has killed 20,000 civilians mostly women and children is beyond me.

Israel targeted legitimate terrorist targets that Hamas shielded with civilians and civilian infrastructure.

That’s an established fact for almost 10 years now.

Everything from the UN, watch groups, and the IDF

Chilling Footage Shows Hamas Operating Out of Two Gaza Hospitals
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: JAY1980

You can't provide legitimate evidence to any of your BS claims.

The hospital?

This shows you are blatantly not telling the truth. I addressed the hospital issue in one or two threads.

Investigations reveal discrepancies in Israel’s Gaza hospital attack claims
www.abovetopsecret.com...



As far as the 70 killed on Salah al-Din street in a convey leaving Gaza. The claim was an Israeli air strike. There is no proof. As a result the story got dropped when there was no hope it would embarrass Israel. I think there was a few posts here on ATS that I commented on. But the ATS search sucks. As the evidence came to light it was not Israel and the facts would embarrass Hamas. (So much for “media” is controlled by the Jews…) The story and postings got dropped. I think I commented on a video when an ambulance pulled up, and a second set of explosions detonated with no indication of a strike from the air.


So you have facts otherwise? Or you just going to make false accusations.

a reply to: JAY1980

So.

For the Salah al-Din street attack on Oct 13. And the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital on Oct 17.

What we have.

Clear evidence that Hamas will lie

Clear evidence that Palestinian rockets misfire killing civilians in Gaza and Hamas will wrongfully and willfully lie to list those deaths as Israeli air strikes. And Hamas will exaggerate the number killed.

The Salah al-Din street attack shows that terrorists inside Gaza will do anything to keep its human shields on point. And, Again. Hamas will blame deaths on Israeli air strikes when all evidence points to Palestinian terrorists in Gaza.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Plugit

Those Jews came from Europe & perhaps Russia after WWII, who lived in Europe, those ppl in that land now called Israel again lived there for hundreds of years, born and raised in those land for generations.
Then they decided, mainly England, to start the new promised land again after it ceased to exist (the Romans erased it) 70 years after Christ (who the Jews killed, their messiah (in which they don't believe of course, when they did they know they go against his teachings surely).

So we should just look at old maps and then decide which ppl should live there with your logic? All those ppl in the US back to Europe and give the land back to the Native Indians for example, good idea!

Where do you think those Jews in EU and Russia came from...lol

I'm not sure what you want here. For some reason, you suggest it is all Palestinian land, but then say well the Jews are old news they don't count, once again it would be Egypt if you really wanted to pick land. My logic is that there are no people called Palestinians, it was invented in recent times. The Jews have a massive amount of history where they are right now, and then some. The people of Gaza are where they are because that is where Egypt put them and then past it on to Israel. It is not because it is their land from days gone by.

Israel didn't steal land just as Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon didn't steal land. Israel also agreed to the two-party state and Paslsitine turned it down. Then Israel fought 4 or 5 wars and won them all to put the cement on to their claims. Just like your logic above where you think it is stupid to think we give the land back to the Indians after we fought many wars for it. America is America and Israel is Israel. The refugees stuck in between countries are basically screwed since the Muslim countries will not lift a finger to help and they do not want to work with Israel in any way.

What is a bigger change, which people are more closely related to the choosen ppl lol, which where born and raised there before WW2 or after ww2? They (US/Great Britain) decided bring those Jews from Europe there and start a new promised land?
More change they (those people born and raised there, the Palestinians) are the people of Israel/god then those people from Europe born and raised in Europe are.

It isn't about where you are from! Those real Jews where slaves in old Egypt considered worth nothing in the eyes of Egypt rulers, but god made them important and made them them belief in the 1 god. Only when they would stray away from god beliefs, even more so since they where the chosen people, they would be punished like no other people surely! They killed their Messiah and do his opposite teachings TODAY! yea better pray for god if I was a Jew living this so called Israel.

Israel only is causing desolation/destruction, nothing good!

Wow, just WOW. Truly pitiful guys.

I find it funny that people are still arguing about a made up group. Palistine was a region never a country or group. There has never been a palistinian ruler no government ever existed. No money ever printed and no record of them prior to Yasser Arafat. The PLO made them . Here is a quote from a PLO member who told the truth. This was an attempt to grab land from Israelis and cede it to Jordan.

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism. "For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." - (PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, in a 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)

originally posted by: Plugit

Israel only is causing desolation/destruction, nothing good!

And that is the crux of your argument. Why does Jordan get a break here? Jordanians are the same people as the Palestinians by blood, faith, culture, and DNA. Jordan was a part of your so-called Palestine and the only reason they are a country is because the Brits drew the lines and then picked who they thought was the strongest tribe and made them king, so why did they wall off The West Bank that is one foot to the East from there and not take in THEIR people too.

Same with Egypt, why is it all Israel's fault? BTW the whole place has lived under foreign conquerors for 1000s of years right up to the Ottoman empire, so there haven't been any historical countries there to claim anything. You know the Kurds should have had their own country too, but the Brits couldn't establish a ruling party so the Kurds were dumped into Iraq, so where are your posts on how the Kurds should have their own country and not get slaughtered by the Iraquies and Turks.

Do you want to blame that on the Jews too? Both Egypt and Jordan are massively larger than Israel they have the land to take them all in with ease, but they don't and you want to split up a tiny chunk of land and make multiple nations out of it. OK, good luck is never going to happen, so where do we move forward from here?

a reply to: ToneD

So a nice post to say...I hate the Jews and no one else is to blame. Have you ever wondered that maybe the Jews are fighting because of what others created? Israel has little choice but to fight or give up their country, so what do you think they would do, or anyone do?

originally posted by: Lazy88

As far as the 70 killed on Salah al-Din street in a convey leaving Gaza. The claim was an Israeli air strike.

That was an IED...Israel doesn't use them so guess who planted it. Hamas has no love for life even their own. Muslims in general over in the ME have little value for life. After 20 years of Hamas rule, boys are taught to kill Jews and if they die in the process they get a fast track to heaven. Mothers cheer on their little boys as they play army games with weapons just like the soccer moms in the States. Moms get paid if their boys die for the cause and the "innocent" locals cheer them as heroes...

When they drove the naked, broken, dead German woman through the streets for the masses to cheer, spit on her dead body, beat her, etc that wasn't Hamas. The innocent have already left the cities and gone to the safe zones. Those remaining are supporting, and cheering Hamas fighters to do their thing.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Out of the false flag talk on ATS, and government out to demoralize individuals. Hamas the elected government of Gaza gets a pass by the biggest finger pointers on ATS. So sad.

wow . .
Seems that some posters, along with zionists
would call JesusChrist an 'anti-semite',
before repenting and acknowledging their
very own bigoted-greed.
Wow a totally deluded crowd.

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