Why US double standards on Israel and Russia play into a dangerous game

Why US double standards on Israel and Russia play into a dangerous game

The west’s equivocation on Gaza exposes a global order facing mutiny over its domination of the international discourse

Richard Haass, the distinguished global analyst, once wrote: “Consistency in foreign policy is a luxury policymakers cannot always afford.”

But, equally, glaring national hypocrisy can come with a high price tag, in terms of lost credibility, damaged global prestige and diminished self-respect.

So Joe Biden’s decision to defend Israel’s methods in Gaza so soon after, in a different context, condemning Russia’s in Ukraine, is not just an occasion for hand wringing from liberals and lawyers.

It is already having a real-world impact on relations between the global north and south, and west and east, creating consequences that could reverberate for decades.

For Hill, Biden’s speech in October linking Ukraine and Israel together in his effort to persuade Congress to release funds for the former “may have been good congressional politics, but perhaps not good global politics”. The victim in all this, she fears, would be Ukraine’s president, Volodymr Zelenskiy. He was “going to have a hard time navigating this”.

But America’s selectivity, as perceived across much of the Global South, is likely to cause a wider reckoning. Quite often in the past Palestine has been treated as a special historical case in global politics, and as an accepted preserve of the US.

But now, according to the Israeli specialist Daniel Levy, the issue has hurtled “to the heart of what some people have called the poly crisis”.

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By aligning with the US position on Israel/Gaza Zelensky may have shot himself, and the Ukraine, in the foot, particularly it seems if Trump wins the election. Putin appears confident that he will. Interesting overview and analysis. Much to ponder.

a reply to: BrucellaOrchitis

Hey now, to be fair.

If corrupt career parasite politicians, didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all.

What do people keep expecting the fedgov to behave, when they(fedgov) are never held accountable...

You do know Hamas the official government of Gaza sanctioned an attack on Israel on Oct 7 with the sole purpose to murder, rape, torture, kidnap and hold civilians hostages as human shields. And Hamas with other Palestinian terrorists have launched over 9,000 rockets at Israel since Oct 7. And thousands more rockets over the years.

originally posted by: ADVISOR
a reply to: BrucellaOrchitis

Hey now, to be fair.

If corrupt career parasite politicians, didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all.

What do people keep expecting the fedgov to behave, when they(fedgov) are never held accountable...

It just goes round and round doesn't it until we reach a point where we just jump off the merry-go-round and settle for making excuses as if that distances ourselves from the decision making process. I look at the current UK government and I just cringe, it's like, how much lower can the go? Starmer may be boring but I think boring with intelligence and integrity is what Western politics needs right now.

originally posted by: Lazy88
You do know Hamas the official government of Gaza sanctioned an attack on Israel on Oct 7 with the sole purpose to murder, rape, torture, kidnap and hold civilians hostages as human shields. And Hamas with other Palestinian terrorists have launched over 9,000 rockets at Israel since Oct 7. And thousands more rockets over the years.

I realise that you have a script you feel you need to follow but try absorbing that there is a world beyond your little bubble. Did you read the article? Can you see that a bigger picture exists at least?

originally posted by: BrucellaOrchitis

originally posted by: Lazy88
You do know Hamas the official government of Gaza sanctioned an attack on Israel on Oct 7 with the sole purpose to murder, rape, torture, kidnap and hold civilians hostages as human shields. And Hamas with other Palestinian terrorists have launched over 9,000 rockets at Israel since Oct 7. And thousands more rockets over the years.

I realise that you have a script you feel you need to follow but try absorbing that there is a world beyond your little bubble. Did you read the article? Can you see that a bigger picture exists at least?

Ok. Accusations with no proof.

Care to address the thousands of rockets Hamas launches into Israel. Rockets manufactured, stored, launched from neighborhoods and public buildings like schools.

Care to address that Hamas makes no effort to separate its rocket bases from civilian infrastructure.

Care to address that a misfired rocket from Gaza terrorists on Oct 13 hit the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital parking lot and Hamas to pin the supposed 500 deaths (an example of how Hamas lies about civilian deaths) falsely on Israel.


Care to address that Hamas chose to make its 300 miles of tunnels under civilian infrastructure in Gaza that is only what? 50 miles wide? Using stolen aid for civilians.

Care to address that Hamas makes no effort to evacuate and shields its civilians?

Care to address that Hamas booby trapped Salah-al-Din street while people were trying to evacuate killing 70, and tried to pin it on Israel. And the story got dropped by the media like a hot potato when evidence started to surface it wasn’t an Israeli air strike, but Hamas booby traps.

I’ll be more than happy to discuss actual facts.

originally posted by: BrucellaOrchitis
Can you see that a bigger picture exists at least?

The big picture is Hamas is out to kill all Jews and has no intention of a peaceful coexistence with Jews. And people are tired of the individuals that try to cover for the Hamas terrorists.

Still confused why Israel needs our money when they're linked to the global bankers by ethnicity, loyalty and fidelity.

This isn't antisemitic, this is what is. Folks of Jewish decent own the banks, media, entertainment, etc. This is well known and proven. They look after each other and support each other, as well as they should. I don't condone their nefarious activities or blatant manipulation, but they have as much right to defend and support their own as any ethnic group.

Yet, you simply mention what is reality and its labeled antisemitic. Lol. The definition is simple but over time it has been amended to mean speaking negatively about anything.

Is it racist to be critical?

HAMAS FAFO
Ukraine FAFO

The problem is really that and little else.

The US has no business in either situation and should stop all funding immediately. But that will not happen.

Hamas launched an attack and according to reports, which I believe, they RAPED AND AT THE SAME TIME MURDERED AT LEAST ONE WOMAN.

They get what they deserve. IF NOT FOR THAT ATTACK, Israel would not have attacked them.

Same thing happened in the Ukraine. If not for the attack by Putin, Ukraine wouldn't be in a war right now.

When you attack, would you expect those being attacked to welcome you? Would we here in America? NO.

Whatever happens after that attack, well, perhaps those attacking should have thought of that BEFORE killing innocent people for land, wealth, revenge, or power.

a reply to: BrucellaOrchitis

a reply to: BrucellaOrchitis

The issue with that is that Trump also was very outspoken pro Israel and wanted to be the man who solved the conflict, remember? The US has always been on the side of Israel, it is not Biden suddenly supporting Israel.

LOL weakest bit of trash propaganda I have ever seen.

Trump started the talks with the other big Arab countries btw, Kushner was all over the place to make that happen and ironically that might have been what lead to Hamas attacking Israel.

If anything it is basically Trump's fault but we don't want to point fingers do we? The man has enough on his plate without also starting WWIII, what would the haters say if it turns out they're right all along?

originally posted by: GarbageCollector
a reply to: BrucellaOrchitis

The issue with that is that Trump also was very outspoken pro Israel and wanted to be the man who solved the conflict, remember? The US has always been on the side of Israel, it is not Biden suddenly supporting Israel.

LOL weakest bit of trash propaganda I have ever seen.

Trump started the talks with the other big Arab countries btw, Kushner was all over the place to make that happen and ironically that might have been what lead to Hamas attacking Israel.

If anything it is basically Trump's fault but we don't want to point fingers do we? The man has enough on his plate without also starting WWIII, what would the haters say if it turns out they're right all along?

I am always amazed that the DNC pays people to post here.

originally posted by: BrucellaOrchitis

I realise that you have a script you feel you need to follow but try absorbing that there is a world beyond your little bubble. Did you read the article? Can you see that a bigger picture exists at least?

Israel is working to wipe out a terrorist group bent on eliminating them. The first question is do you disagree that Hamas needs to go? If you agree then the debate is more about the method than reason. The method is brutal but the reason still stands. Israel isn't trying to take over a country of 44 million.

Hamas attacked first and Russia invaded first...

a reply to: dust2023

LOL I get paid nothing I am having my own seperate little show running.

originally posted by: GarbageCollector

If anything it is basically Trump's fault but we don't want to point fingers do we? The man has enough on his plate without also starting WWIII, what would the haters say if it turns out they're right all along?

Those alliances are still in place, so I do not see your point. Name one arab country that gives a crap about Gaza?

a reply to: Xtrozero

I sure hope so, as that is a good thing, that is how civilisation handles things.
Alas there was a day or two before the attack on Israel a video of another band of terrorist gangsters that stated exactly those possible new alliances as reason.

I just believe them in this case.

originally posted by: GarbageCollector
a reply to: dust2023

LOL I get paid nothing I am having my own seperate little show running.

Good luck with that.

originally posted by: GarbageCollector

I sure hope so, as that is a good thing, that is how civilisation handles things.
Alas there was a day or two before the attack on Israel a video of another band of terrorist gangsters that stated exactly those possible new alliances as reason.

I just believe them in this case.

Maybe, but there is a reason Jordan and Egypt walled off The West Bank and Gaza tighter than Israel does. Neither country wants the terrorist to spill over into their country. We need to remember that Muslims are willing to kill each other just as much as they might want to kill Jews or Americans. They kill each other off in the millions and not a peep from the west.

a reply to: Xtrozero

what?
I'm sorry that was not making sense for me?
Maybe I am too distracted, but that

Neither country wants the terrorist to spill over into their country.

once you have individuals who really enjoy the thrill of killing and are huungry for it, you ... rabid dogs and such
of course nobody wants to take them in.

I just didn't get the end

They kill each other off in the millions and not a peep from the west.

Isn't that exactly what everybody wants? That the West keeps out as long the own interests are not concerned?
I mean that is already huge if you think about how far and wide our interests spread.
Are you saying outside of that sphere of influence things are worse?
Odd

originally posted by: GarbageCollector

I just didn't get the end

So one foot to the East in The West Bank is Jordan and Jordan doesn't allow them to travel into Jordan. Jordan is also the same damn people as those called Palestinians in Blood, culture, religion, and DNA... So what gives there?

Egypt is 1 foot to the south of Gaza and has walled off Gaza tighter than a drum. If you look at an old map the area called Palestine runs from Gaza and then deep into Egypt. Why didn't both these countries accept these people into their countries back when they ran both places?

The reason is neither country wants the crap that would come into their lands in the form of extremism. Hamas started in Egypt as a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood and they do not want that back.

Isn't that exactly what everybody wants? That the West keeps out as long its own interests are not concerned?
I mean that is already huge if you think about how far and wide our interests spread.
Are you saying outside of that sphere of influence things are worse?
Odd

Why do we care if they kill each other off? The Shia and Sunnis have been in a holy war for over 1000 years. They would cut each other's throats in a second. 90% of those killed in the Iraq war were the two killing each other as we sat back and watched. I think Saudi has killed 400k+ civilians in Yemen alone in recent years, and Yemen is still attacking others...

It is what they do and why we need to understand why the Jews are as they are. They are Middle Eastern too and though not as extreme, they still do not have issues with killing whoever attacks them with overwhelming force. If they didn't do it then the rest of ME would see it as a weakness.

The reality is we have little "sphere of influence" even though we tried for 20+ years. They are all warlords and religious fanatics, so our way just doesn't work.