All Viruses are Manmade and Did Not Evolve on this Earth Naturally

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: chr0naut

The trouble with the argument that actions which appear evil from a human viewpoint may serve a high moral purpose when viewed from the perspective of a superior being is that it cannot excuse or explain the endless suffering of conscious beings, nor the appalling, callous wastefulness of it all. The world we know has pain, suffering and cruelty built into it. If it is a created world, then either the creator (as Epicurus observed) is evil, or else They are strongly constrained in Their actions. As a potential escape-route from the double-bind of theodicy, I'm afraid the viewpoint argument will not take us very far.

It is, moreover, a train of thought whose final destination is always someplace like Phnom Penh or Auschwitz.

Come, chr0naut. Whatever the Divine Purpose may be, is it something impossible to achieve without causing feeling beings to suffer and perish?

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a reply to: Farboso

Not all viruses are pathogenic and most of them are trying to find a way to coexist with the host rather than killing it.

All parasites are, though 'trying' is too teleological a word for my taste. They're not trying anything; nature selects among them -- in the most leadenly permanent way possible -- for mutants that allow their hosts to live.

An example is retroviruses and there are many of them but they function in a very different manner to the ones you described.

However, the results are effectively the same. This is ATS, where the general level of biochemical knowledge is exemplified by the fellow who read my earlier post and replied 'Ivermectin!' You want to talk about RNA-to-DNA conversion and the incorporation of viral genes into mammalian grnomes to people who think vaccines have microchips inside them? You go ahead; I'll watch.

What's wrong with ATS?
Some people think microchips are inside covid vaccines but others have some knowledge of retroviruses and understand what is meant by reverse transcriptase.

a reply to: Farboso

What's wrong with ATS?
Some people think microchips are inside covid vaccines but others have some knowledge of retroviruses and understand what is meant by reverse transcriptase.

With some of the people you are alluding to Farboso, im apt to go with quite a bit.

a reply to: zaderamsesholloway

People, if viruses are a real thing, then biology did not evolve them. They are a poison created by mankind.

Hmmmm...
8 ancient 'zombie viruses' that scientists have pulled from the melting permafrost

Microbes have been on this planet and evolving long before us.

originally posted by: TheSkepticGuy23
a reply to: zaderamsesholloway

People, if viruses are a real thing, then biology did not evolve them. They are a poison created by mankind.

Hmmmm...
8 ancient 'zombie viruses' that scientists have pulled from the melting permafrost

Microbes have been on this planet and evolving long before us.

It's all conspiracy of the new world order and the CIA according to the poster.

originally posted by: Farboso

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation

originally posted by: Farboso

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Except viruses do not exist. Unless you acredit disinfo and misidentification to support the vaccine industry

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: cooperton
I wondered if viruses occur from faulty genetic replication in organisms. I don't think it would be blind luck though, I would suppose that certain abberrant or perverse ways of existence directly cause the transcription of viruses that take over the host. This would be in association with the idea of demonic possession, whether subtle or overt. A virus, like a demon, tricks the host into thinking it is part of the host. Even schizophrenia is highly correlated to various viral infections.

I wrote more evidence for this assertion here: viruses are the material manifestation of demons

I think that viruses pre-date anything like ethical issues. When biology was more basic than multicellular organisms. Also, the vast majority of viruses are benign. They aren't all 'only evil'.

Enough for the philosophical speculation, lets speculate on the question of how viruses originated. I believe that biology had gained an organizing methodology which is centered around genomic templates, organizing chemistry of four primary bases, in sequences of three, that code for the production of amino acids.

Now I will ignore the irreducible complexity required to have a cell with all the mechanisms to read write and transform these genomic sequences, as well as metabolize, maintain osmotic pressure with a semipermeable membrane, and eject wastes and take in nutrients. That is getting way too complex and everything is interdependent. So we won't solve that here. We'll just speculate on the origins of viruses.

So, we have these living cells, that need to do all this functionality and are quite fragile. And, lets say, an energetic particle comes in from some nuclear source and bashes straight through this fragile chemical bubble, and lets say it dissects a strand of genomic material and splits off a bit that already has a good chunk of function, but now lacks the capability to replicate on its own. And it makes contact with the ribosome, and out comes a few copies of this small molecule that looks non-foreign to those types of cells, but each one has enough stuff to replicate into another of itself.

In the process, all this junk biochemistry kills its host cell, which ruptures, and is subsequently freed from the cell wall and able to stick to the wall of another cell, where it binds and the cell begins to 'eat it up' because it looks like nutrient.

And suddenly, we have this rogue genomic sequence inside a new fresh cell, just waiting to hit a ribosome and be regenerated into new copies again.

Viola! We have a virus.

Show me a picture of a virus that is not colored.

Perhaps you should explain why viruses don't exist rather than attacking the pharmaceutical industry.

No. Let's attack the pharmaceutical companies more.
The only viruses that actually do exist are patented, which means they are man-made. Like cv19.
Yet their efficacy is so limited in doing harm they have to ensure damage by forcing vaccines with concoctions of harmful toxins and life stages of parasites to create the pandemics they desire.
Virus in nature simply does not exist.
It is and always has been a tool to sell vaccines.
It is common practice for these megacorporations to misidentify bacteria waste and life cycle stages of parasites as virus in order to sell and push their patented products for the sole purpose of profit.
The depop tool is the side benefit that got globalist death cult support.
This is why attempting to ban and limit access to things like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and tobacco was so important to them.
They need the parasites to continue their growth cycles within us. All that requires is solvents like benzene and isopropyl alcohol to make optimal growth environments that you would recognize as benign tumors that become malignant once their cycles begin inside of us instead of outside of us as nature intended. They interact and corrupt cells.

Now with nanobots in the form of bacterialphages are being used there seems to be more cover up than up than preventative outlook coming out of big pharma-for-profit

Covid19 is not a virus but the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2. Not every infection with the virus will cause disease as many infected people are asymptomatic.

We could agree on the gain of functions research and the possibility SARS-CoV-2 is a gain of functions research outcome.

Going back in time can you not find viruses that existed long before we had the capability of detecting them or having any knowledge of them. What about viruses in animals? You will see viruses have been in the animal kingdom for as long as animals have existed.

No.
The 1st coronavirus patent was in 1937.
Each and every cv is patented and man- made

patents.google.com...

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

From your source:

"The present invention provides a live, attenuated coronavirus comprising a variant replicase gene encoding polyproteins comprising a mutation in one or more of non-structural protein(s) (nsp)-10, nsp-14, nsp-15 or nsp-16. The coronavirus may be used as a vaccine for treating and/or preventing a disease, such as infectious bronchitis, in a subject."

1937?

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

What about the ancient ones found in permafrost?

Man made?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The post where he suggested Asprin killed 50 million people as opposed to the Spanish flu was priceless.

That's what you are contending with.

Anyhoo funny looks coz im on this rag and bone.

Back to the approximation of "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" for me.

I closed my eyes
Drew back the curtain
To see for certain
What I thought I knew

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I don't think you're understanding the patent, or accepting deceptive content created by others. If you read the patent, under the "Field of Invention" section, you'l find:

The present invention relates to an attenuated coronavirus comprising a variant replicase gene, which causes the virus to have reduced pathogenicity. The present invention also relates to the use of such a coronavirus in a vaccine to prevent and/or treat a disease.

(emphasis mine)

The patent you linked to is one of many variants of such viruses used in the production of vaccines, not the actual novel coronavirus.

Disclaimer:
I make no claim as to the efficacy of the so-called vaccines. Just pointing out for accuracy's sake.

a reply to: andy06shake

Merry Christmas 🎄

Did you know that Jesus Christ was going to be called "Gary"? But Mary stubbed her toe...

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

LoL

Merry Christmas to you to when it materialises. 🎄

originally posted by: TheSkepticGuy23
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I don't think you're understanding the patent, or accepting deceptive content created by others. If you read the patent, under the "Field of Invention" section, you'l find:

The present invention relates to an attenuated coronavirus comprising a variant replicase gene, which causes the virus to have reduced pathogenicity. The present invention also relates to the use of such a coronavirus in a vaccine to prevent and/or treat a disease.

(emphasis mine)

Right. I read into it as a gain of function type research.
The original patents for cv was 1937.
Every cv is patented.
I just chose one of the 1st white papers I Google.
My point is it's man made and patentable

The patent you linked to is one of many variants of such viruses used in the production of vaccines, not the actual novel coronavirus.

Disclaimer:
I make no claim as to the efficacy of the so-called vaccines. Just pointing out for accuracy's sake.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

What about the ancient ones found in permafrost?

Man made?

Ancient coronaviruses?
Show me

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The post where he suggested Asprin killed 50 million people as opposed to the Spanish flu was priceless.

That's what you are contending with.

Anyhoo funny looks coz im on this rag and bone.

Back to the approximation of "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" for me.

Stop trolling and carrying other threads into this one just so you can try to make me the topic.
If you want to discuss that do it in that thread.
You are trolling and breaking T&C
You are just being intellectually dishonest because you got nothing else in your repertoire
I closed my eyes
Drew back the curtain
To see for certain
What I thought I knew

The info I shared was this, from science daily
www.sciencedaily.com...#

I cite my sources unlike your c and p postings where you Google and wiki everything scientific related but never cite the source because you plaguetize everything trying to look smart. And I called you out on it and now you are butt hurt

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

SkepticGuy already showed you but here it is again:

www.livescience.com...

No one said ancient corona viruses, that's your straw man.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

How long has the common cold virus been around?

Man made?

BS.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

How long has the common cold virus been around?

Man made?

BS.

There are no virus other than man made patented products.
The original definition for virus pharmacological meant poison.

Colds and flu has been around as long as chemical manufacturing has been around.
Those are now common also.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

SkepticGuy already showed you but here it is again:

www.livescience.com...

No one said ancient corona viruses, that's your straw man.

All I went looking g for were patents.
I will look for better. Starting with H1N1

Follow the patents trail to find Covid-19 origin sundayguardianlive.com...

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

What utter rubbish. Colds? Been around forever.

Spanish Flu?

Man made, when?

Sorry, but you are full of it.

Deny ignorance, people.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

LoL butthurt.

Show me one thing i have plagiarised, please?

Your unfounded claims just keep on coming.

The only thing i am using to help me write better, or rather, more proficiently, is Grammarly, then again i am Dyslexic.

You're just peeved because people choose to do some research and get their ducks in a row before they respond to you.

Whereas you choose to punt and spout unfounded, unproven, pseudoscientific nonsense, without even a second thought for actual facts and/or tangible evidence to back up your ludicrous claims.

And if you do choose to provide the odd link or two it's generally the ramblings of right-wing racist antisemitic nutters that need Jesus to be white or the sky will fall.

Here is a thought, if all viruses are man-made as you claim, then who is responsible for the creation of the Spanish Flu?

And don't bother trying to blame Asprin. LoL

Which group of humans on the planet had the technology to create a virus from scratch back in 1917/1918?

What about Rabies virus for that matter which is one of the oldest known diseases in history with cases dating back to 4000 years.

Which group of humans made that particular malady from their Bronze Age chemistry sets?

Nobody is trying to look smart, you simply feel that way about others because you know deep down that the things you are saying, and coming away with, sound stupid beyond belief.

And have no basis in the real world other than in the annals of pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo and gobbledygook.

You feel free to call me on anything you please FarmerSimulation.

But do understand as long as you choose to keep on shoveling sh@t, others will endeavor to remove it and call you on your ramblings.

You cannot handle being presented with cold hard facts and information.

Hence you are projecting all over the place.