All Viruses are Manmade and Did Not Evolve on this Earth Naturally

Except viruses do not exist. Unless you acredit disinfo and misidentification to support the vaccine industry

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: cooperton
I wondered if viruses occur from faulty genetic replication in organisms. I don't think it would be blind luck though, I would suppose that certain abberrant or perverse ways of existence directly cause the transcription of viruses that take over the host. This would be in association with the idea of demonic possession, whether subtle or overt. A virus, like a demon, tricks the host into thinking it is part of the host. Even schizophrenia is highly correlated to various viral infections.

I wrote more evidence for this assertion here: viruses are the material manifestation of demons

I think that viruses pre-date anything like ethical issues. When biology was more basic than multicellular organisms. Also, the vast majority of viruses are benign. They aren't all 'only evil'.

Enough for the philosophical speculation, lets speculate on the question of how viruses originated. I believe that biology had gained an organizing methodology which is centered around genomic templates, organizing chemistry of four primary bases, in sequences of three, that code for the production of amino acids.

Now I will ignore the irreducible complexity required to have a cell with all the mechanisms to read write and transform these genomic sequences, as well as metabolize, maintain osmotic pressure with a semipermeable membrane, and eject wastes and take in nutrients. That is getting way too complex and everything is interdependent. So we won't solve that here. We'll just speculate on the origins of viruses.

So, we have these living cells, that need to do all this functionality and are quite fragile. And, lets say, an energetic particle comes in from some nuclear source and bashes straight through this fragile chemical bubble, and lets say it dissects a strand of genomic material and splits off a bit that already has a good chunk of function, but now lacks the capability to replicate on its own. And it makes contact with the ribosome, and out comes a few copies of this small molecule that looks non-foreign to those types of cells, but each one has enough stuff to replicate into another of itself.

In the process, all this junk biochemistry kills its host cell, which ruptures, and is subsequently freed from the cell wall and able to stick to the wall of another cell, where it binds and the cell begins to 'eat it up' because it looks like nutrient.

And suddenly, we have this rogue genomic sequence inside a new fresh cell, just waiting to hit a ribosome and be regenerated into new copies again.

Viola! We have a virus.

Show me a picture of a virus that is not colored.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Kosimir

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Kosimir

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Kosimir

A pertinent question to ponder is what came first viruses or the host organisms?

Kind of along the same to similar line as the old chicken and egg conundrum.

Viruses require a host to replicate them. So definitely, they could not exist prior to their hosts.

Even if they did spontaneously come into existence, they would disappear again within minutes to hours as they broke down chemically.

Not necessarily true because viruses could have evolved to replicate in cells.

They can't evolve without replicating. They can't replicate in cells if there aren't any host cells to replicate in.

So, the hosts had to come first.

You don't know how they started.

It's the same question as to what came first the chicken or the egg? Simplistic argument but it isn't because there are many unknowns and mysteries. You may have heard of a unique example of parthenogenesis in crocodiles!

www.cnn.com...

It's not so uncommon in animals. A female animal and part of some species could have made an egg with a viable fetus that became a chicken without the need of the male.

I don't know for sure, but in the case of viruses we can make an educated guess because of their biochemistry. Viruses are really very specific and basic little units.

I did speculate on it here

They definitely need a host to replicate.
An educated guess should be viruses came after cells.

We don't know how they started and it posses an unsolved mystery.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Never had the common cold, then?

Ever heard of Jenner?

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Except viruses do not exist. Unless you acredit disinfo and misidentification to support the vaccine industry

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: cooperton
I wondered if viruses occur from faulty genetic replication in organisms. I don't think it would be blind luck though, I would suppose that certain abberrant or perverse ways of existence directly cause the transcription of viruses that take over the host. This would be in association with the idea of demonic possession, whether subtle or overt. A virus, like a demon, tricks the host into thinking it is part of the host. Even schizophrenia is highly correlated to various viral infections.

I wrote more evidence for this assertion here: viruses are the material manifestation of demons

I think that viruses pre-date anything like ethical issues. When biology was more basic than multicellular organisms. Also, the vast majority of viruses are benign. They aren't all 'only evil'.

Enough for the philosophical speculation, lets speculate on the question of how viruses originated. I believe that biology had gained an organizing methodology which is centered around genomic templates, organizing chemistry of four primary bases, in sequences of three, that code for the production of amino acids.

Now I will ignore the irreducible complexity required to have a cell with all the mechanisms to read write and transform these genomic sequences, as well as metabolize, maintain osmotic pressure with a semipermeable membrane, and eject wastes and take in nutrients. That is getting way too complex and everything is interdependent. So we won't solve that here. We'll just speculate on the origins of viruses.

So, we have these living cells, that need to do all this functionality and are quite fragile. And, lets say, an energetic particle comes in from some nuclear source and bashes straight through this fragile chemical bubble, and lets say it dissects a strand of genomic material and splits off a bit that already has a good chunk of function, but now lacks the capability to replicate on its own. And it makes contact with the ribosome, and out comes a few copies of this small molecule that looks non-foreign to those types of cells, but each one has enough stuff to replicate into another of itself.

In the process, all this junk biochemistry kills its host cell, which ruptures, and is subsequently freed from the cell wall and able to stick to the wall of another cell, where it binds and the cell begins to 'eat it up' because it looks like nutrient.

And suddenly, we have this rogue genomic sequence inside a new fresh cell, just waiting to hit a ribosome and be regenerated into new copies again.

Viola! We have a virus.

Show me a picture of a virus that is not colored.

The only true images of viruses are made by electron microscopes, and aren't really optical images with color. Often these images are false-colored to clarify their form.

The YouTube videos linked in this thread only have artistic renditions, because the real images are nowhere near as clear or spectacular.

Here's a Wikipedia page on the History of virology that explains the specifics of how viral theories came about and the science that confirms them. It has monochrome images of viruses.

a reply to: chr0naut

Oh you, with your... science...and ...facts.. and evidence..images and all that.

Pearls before swine,sadly.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Well there’s that…

But how many of those deaths didn’t have any other complications involved?

Can’t blame it all on the virus?

Well lets look at Amoebas they are nothing but overgrown virus's and some eat your brain if you swim in the wrong place . Viruses are animals we do not create them however we can modify them .

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
Well lets look at Amoebas they are nothing but overgrown virus's and some eat your brain if you swim in the wrong place . Viruses are animals we do not create them however we can modify them .

Are they? Amoebas have a nucleus and they are not viruses. But viruses can infect amoebas just like they can infect bacteriums.

a reply to: IgorMartinez

50. Million. Dead. Pretty sure you can blame the virus for that.

Have IQ's suddenly dropped on here, or what?

50. Million. Dead. From. Spanish. Flu.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Viruses are extremely small, ranging from about 20 to 300 nanometers in diameter.

Meaning that they are smaller than the wavelength of visible light, making it impossible to directly visualize them using optical microscopes.

We use electron microscopy which is a powerful tool used to visualize structures at the nanoscale and to imagine viruses.

Just because you cannot see something does not mean it does not exist, as simple as that really.

originally posted by: Kosimir

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
Well lets look at Amoebas they are nothing but overgrown virus's and some eat your brain if you swim in the wrong place . Viruses are animals we do not create them however we can modify them .

Are they? Amoebas have a nucleus and they are not viruses. But viruses can infect amoebas just like they can infect bacteriums.

It's all food chain no matter size something is a predator and viruses are nothing but vampires or ticks they are intelligent animals that can reproduce . They assimilate the host or use the part they need to survive .

Viruses have limited genome-coding capacities and must therefore rely on their host cells to facilitate every step of the infection cycle from the replication of their genomes,

a reply to: chr0naut

I'm inclined to believe the same, and that viruses came about second in nature, down to the fact that they require cellular organisms to survive, i mean that's what the logical inference would seem to be.

But since the origins of life on Earth is believed to have occurred around 3.5 to 4 billion years ago, its one of those questions where any sort of definitive answers may prove to be rather elusive.

My limited understanding is, that some theories propose viruses could have originated from fragments of cellular genetic material, while others suggest that viruses and cellular life co-evolved.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Except viruses do not exist. Unless you acredit disinfo and misidentification to support the vaccine industry

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: cooperton
I wondered if viruses occur from faulty genetic replication in organisms. I don't think it would be blind luck though, I would suppose that certain abberrant or perverse ways of existence directly cause the transcription of viruses that take over the host. This would be in association with the idea of demonic possession, whether subtle or overt. A virus, like a demon, tricks the host into thinking it is part of the host. Even schizophrenia is highly correlated to various viral infections.

I wrote more evidence for this assertion here: viruses are the material manifestation of demons

I think that viruses pre-date anything like ethical issues. When biology was more basic than multicellular organisms. Also, the vast majority of viruses are benign. They aren't all 'only evil'.

Enough for the philosophical speculation, lets speculate on the question of how viruses originated. I believe that biology had gained an organizing methodology which is centered around genomic templates, organizing chemistry of four primary bases, in sequences of three, that code for the production of amino acids.

Now I will ignore the irreducible complexity required to have a cell with all the mechanisms to read write and transform these genomic sequences, as well as metabolize, maintain osmotic pressure with a semipermeable membrane, and eject wastes and take in nutrients. That is getting way too complex and everything is interdependent. So we won't solve that here. We'll just speculate on the origins of viruses.

So, we have these living cells, that need to do all this functionality and are quite fragile. And, lets say, an energetic particle comes in from some nuclear source and bashes straight through this fragile chemical bubble, and lets say it dissects a strand of genomic material and splits off a bit that already has a good chunk of function, but now lacks the capability to replicate on its own. And it makes contact with the ribosome, and out comes a few copies of this small molecule that looks non-foreign to those types of cells, but each one has enough stuff to replicate into another of itself.

In the process, all this junk biochemistry kills its host cell, which ruptures, and is subsequently freed from the cell wall and able to stick to the wall of another cell, where it binds and the cell begins to 'eat it up' because it looks like nutrient.

And suddenly, we have this rogue genomic sequence inside a new fresh cell, just waiting to hit a ribosome and be regenerated into new copies again.

Viola! We have a virus.

Show me a picture of a virus that is not colored.

The only true images of viruses are made by electron microscopes, and aren't really optical images with color. Often these images are false-colored to clarify their form.

The YouTube videos linked in this thread only have artistic renditions, because the real images are nowhere near as clear or spectacular.

Here's a Wikipedia page on the History of virology that explains the specifics of how viral theories came about and the science that confirms them. It has monochrome images of viruses.

Correct.
Then why do they color them if not for theatrics

I do not get sick anymore after I cleansed and eliminated crap from my diet

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Never had the common cold, then?

Ever heard of Jenner?

I do not get sick anymore after I cleansed and eliminated crap from my diet

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Never had the common cold, then?

Ever heard of Jenner?

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Electron microscope images are often colourized or false-coloured for various purposes.

Take for instance enhancement of contrast, highlighting specific structures, and data representation.

The colour added to electron microscope images is artificial and is not a direct representation of the colours that the sample would have, because once again they are smaller than the wavelength of visible light.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Great. Then you will probably live for ever.

Hope you don't get flu.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Except viruses do not exist. Unless you acredit disinfo and misidentification to support the vaccine industry

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: cooperton
I wondered if viruses occur from faulty genetic replication in organisms. I don't think it would be blind luck though, I would suppose that certain abberrant or perverse ways of existence directly cause the transcription of viruses that take over the host. This would be in association with the idea of demonic possession, whether subtle or overt. A virus, like a demon, tricks the host into thinking it is part of the host. Even schizophrenia is highly correlated to various viral infections.

I wrote more evidence for this assertion here: viruses are the material manifestation of demons

I think that viruses pre-date anything like ethical issues. When biology was more basic than multicellular organisms. Also, the vast majority of viruses are benign. They aren't all 'only evil'.

Enough for the philosophical speculation, lets speculate on the question of how viruses originated. I believe that biology had gained an organizing methodology which is centered around genomic templates, organizing chemistry of four primary bases, in sequences of three, that code for the production of amino acids.

Now I will ignore the irreducible complexity required to have a cell with all the mechanisms to read write and transform these genomic sequences, as well as metabolize, maintain osmotic pressure with a semipermeable membrane, and eject wastes and take in nutrients. That is getting way too complex and everything is interdependent. So we won't solve that here. We'll just speculate on the origins of viruses.

So, we have these living cells, that need to do all this functionality and are quite fragile. And, lets say, an energetic particle comes in from some nuclear source and bashes straight through this fragile chemical bubble, and lets say it dissects a strand of genomic material and splits off a bit that already has a good chunk of function, but now lacks the capability to replicate on its own. And it makes contact with the ribosome, and out comes a few copies of this small molecule that looks non-foreign to those types of cells, but each one has enough stuff to replicate into another of itself.

In the process, all this junk biochemistry kills its host cell, which ruptures, and is subsequently freed from the cell wall and able to stick to the wall of another cell, where it binds and the cell begins to 'eat it up' because it looks like nutrient.

And suddenly, we have this rogue genomic sequence inside a new fresh cell, just waiting to hit a ribosome and be regenerated into new copies again.

Viola! We have a virus.

Show me a picture of a virus that is not colored.

The only true images of viruses are made by electron microscopes, and aren't really optical images with color. Often these images are false-colored to clarify their form.

The YouTube videos linked in this thread only have artistic renditions, because the real images are nowhere near as clear or spectacular.

Here's a Wikipedia page on the History of virology that explains the specifics of how viral theories came about and the science that confirms them. It has monochrome images of viruses.

Can you identify if those images are the interaction with cells from the miricia of fasciolosis busking (human intestinal fluke life stage after egg)?

Like Hulda Clarke clearly identifies?
Is there a comparison study?
Why not?

Sorry, driving. Might screw up some spelling.
It's 20 years removed from my study

Alien lifeform confirmed.

They came from beyond the stars!

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: IgorMartinez

50. Million. Dead. Pretty sure you can blame the virus for that.

Have IQ's suddenly dropped on here, or what?

50. Million. Dead. From. Spanish. Flu.

How much did aspirin account for those numbers.
You need to grasp the M.O. of the depop methods incorporated.
I am driving today and this one is significant and important.
I will not let this go and get back on it.
Believe it or not aspirin is the main culprit