Intramusculary injected vaccines cannot induce immunity in the mucosal tissues of the airways

originally posted by: Euronymous2625

originally posted by: navigator70
Then maybe you can explain how the jab protects you from infection if it is designed to react only after youre already infected?

I already did that. You think viruses produce spike proteins, and that it's the proteins that infect you. You couldn't be more wrong. Therefore, until you educate yourself a bit, there's no reason to continue this conversation.

I never said that nor think that. CV does produce spike proteins, after you have been infected. Which is the whole point. The jab does not protect you from infection because its designed to react to the spike protein which isnt there until after youre infected.

originally posted by: navigator70
I never said that nor think that.

Yes. You did.

originally posted by: navigator70
I said natural immunity kills the infection in your airways, before it can enter your blood stream and start making the toxic spike protein.

originally posted by: navigator70
CV does produce spike proteins, after you have been infected. Which is the whole point.

No, it does not. And no, it is not.

originally posted by: navigator70
The jab does not protect you from infection because its designed to react to the spike protein which isnt there until after youre infected.

All vaccines are designed to react to a pathogen once it enters your body. That's what they do.

Again, read a book or something. This conversation is over until you understand an elementary level of virology.

a reply to: Euronymous2625

Thats a whole post full of misinformation, but lets just focus on the easiest one to prove false.

The jab does generate spike proteins.

The Infectious Disease Society of America (IDSA) estimates that the spike proteins that were generated by COVID-19 vaccines last up to a few weeks,

a reply to: Euronymous2625

A vaccine primes your immune system and that is what goes active against a viral pathogen.

a reply to: Euronymous2625

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originally posted by: navigator70
Thats a whole post full of misinformation, but lets just focus on the easiest one to prove false.

The jab does generate spike proteins.

The a (IDSA) estimates that the spike proteins that were generated by COVID-19 vaccines last up to a few weeks,

Where did I say the vaccine doesn't produce spike proteins? How old are you? Serious question.

originally posted by: Phoenix
A vaccine primes your immune system and that is what goes active against a viral pathogen.

That's what I said, in different words.

a reply to: navigator70
The problem I see with your OP is that, while the study is real, you ran with the spin given by the clickbait site you posted.

The study doesn't say the jab doesn't induce immunity in the mucosal tissues of the airways, just that an inhaled vax seems to do it better.

Here is another thing, the study is still a vax offered by big pharma with the same things in them, spike proteins, but in different packaging.

Also, I don't get where you got the idea that infection happens only in the blood. If you have pneumonia your airways are infected. It would seem logical that if you have SARS-CoV-2 in your airways, you are also infected.

Which brings us to what others have been saying, all vaccines work like that. Your vaxxed immune system (whether by big pharma or natural) isn't going to do anything until after you are infected, even if it is at the mucosal level of your airways.

originally posted by: Euronymous2625

originally posted by: navigator70
Thats a whole post full of misinformation, but lets just focus on the easiest one to prove false.

The jab does generate spike proteins.

The a (IDSA) estimates that the spike proteins that were generated by COVID-19 vaccines last up to a few weeks,

Where did I say the vaccine doesn't produce spike proteins? How old are you? Serious question.

You also said CV doesnt make spike proteins. Reread your post from posted on Dec, 17 2023 @ 07:42 PM

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: navigator70
The problem I see with your OP is that, while the study is real, you ran with the spin given by the clickbait site you posted.

The study doesn't say the jab doesn't induce immunity in the mucosal tissues of the airways, just that an inhaled vax seems to do it better.

If the spike protein is present in the mucosal tissues of the airways for the jab to react to, then youre already infected with the virus and its too late to be talking about immunity.

The study says "there is an urgent need for vaccines that induce mucosal immune responses". If the jab did that why is there an urgent need for it?

Here is another thing, the study is still a vax offered by big pharma with the same things in them, spike proteins, but in different packaging.

Also, I don't get where you got the idea that infection happens only in the blood. If you have pneumonia your airways are infected. It would seem logical that if you have SARS-CoV-2 in your airways, you are also infected.

I never claimed that infections happen only in the blood. I said they lied when they claimed the jab provides immunity or protects against infection because it is designed to react to the spike protein, which isnt there until after youre already infected.

Dont forget when they initially started administering the jab it was all about how effective it was preventing infection. It wasnt until all the break through cases started happening they pivoted to how effective it is at preventing hospitalization, which wasnt long after they had to redefine immunity because the jab wasnt protecting people from infection.

originally posted by: navigator70
You also said CV doesnt make spike proteins. Reread your post from posted on Dec, 17 2023 @ 07:42 PM

And I stand by that. It doesn't. Show me where I said the vaccines don't. That's exactly what they're designed to do.

originally posted by: navigator70
If the spike protein is present in the mucosal tissues of the airways for the jab to react to, then youre already infected with the virus and its too late to be talking about immunity.

The point you keep missing is that this is the case for all vaccines and natural immunity as well. Natural immunity isn't going to keep the virus from reaching your lungs, it only kicks in after you are "infected".

The study says "there is an urgent need for vaccines that induce mucosal immune responses". If the jab did that why is there an urgent need for it?

Because that is how they are trying to sell it, this works better. That doesn't mean the jab did nothing at that level just that this is better.

I never claimed that infections happen only in the blood. I said they lied when they claimed the jab provides immunity or protects against infection because it is designed to react to the spike protein, which isnt there until after youre already infected.

That is exactly the disconnect, you always have to be infected for your immune system to react. That is immunity, you think it means something else.

originally posted by: daskakik
That is immunity, you think it means something else.

They also think infection means something else. And they don't understand the function of a virus.

In other words, an entire thread based on the ignorance of multiple subjects.

originally posted by: Euronymous2625

originally posted by: navigator70
You also said CV doesnt make spike proteins. Reread your post from posted on Dec, 17 2023 @ 07:42 PM

And I stand by that. It doesn't. Show me where I said the vaccines don't. That's exactly what they're designed to do.

The coronavirus spike (S) protein is the key determinant of host range, infectivity, and pathogenesis.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: navigator70
If the spike protein is present in the mucosal tissues of the airways for the jab to react to, then youre already infected with the virus and its too late to be talking about immunity.

The point you keep missing is that this is the case for all vaccines and natural immunity as well. Natural immunity isn't going to keep the virus from reaching your lungs, it only kicks in after you are "infected".

Thats not accurate. The majority of mucosal defense and naturally acquired immunity from respiratory viruses is in your sinuses and kills air borne viruses in your airways, before it ever infects you and gets into your bloodstream. The jab reprograms your immune response to focus on the spike protein after youre infected.

a reply to: navigator70
Not unless the T cells are airborne too, and if that is the case there is no reason why T cells hunting for the spike wouldn't do the same.

At the end of the day, it isn't the jab reacting, it is your immune system reacting and it can only react after infection.

It ain't rocket science.

Here is a link to one of the papers that study cites. It is good to have more than just an abstract.

Intramuscular dosing of ChAd-SARS-CoV-2-S induces robust systemic humoral and cell-mediated immune responses and protects against lung infection, inflammation, and pathology but does not confer sterilizing immunity, as evidenced by detection of viral RNA and induction of anti-nucleoprotein antibodies after SARS-CoV-2 challenge. In contrast, a single intranasal dose of ChAd-SARS-CoV-2-S induces high levels of neutralizing antibodies, promotes systemic and mucosal immunoglobulin A (IgA) and T cell responses, and almost entirely prevents SARS-CoV-2 infection in both the upper and lower respiratory tracts. Intranasal administration of ChAd-SARS-CoV-2-S is a candidate for preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection and transmission and curtailing pandemic spread.

So, jabs did something, but this spray vax seems better. Nothing more, nothing less.

originally posted by: navigator70
This is my first thread so please excuse any mistakes or deviations from the guidelines. I will be happy to correct them, thanks.

I have been wondering ever since the release of the CV jab how it can produce immunity if it is designed to respond to the spike protein in the blood stream?

Once the spike protein is in your blood stream, youre already infected. Where as natural immunity kills the virus in your airways, before it ever infects you and gets into your blood stream.

Just like all other vaccines it doesn't need to be in your bloodstream and we do not want it there. We want it to be localized in the area of injection and the lymph nodes. When you talk about airways what you mean is air sacs. The virus will expand to other parts of your body after a time. Normally if you have a few days then nothing really will happen, when we see longer periods of weeks then the virus produces spike protein throughout the body and is more acceptable to your air sacs. that is where the virus starts to kill off the air sacs and people's O2 drops to dangerous levels as the body can not transfer O2 into the blood.

Earily they just put people on the ventilator which was a death sentence, but later they found that having people on their bellies was better.

originally posted by: navigator70

Once the spike protein is in your blood, youre already infected. In other words, you have to be infected before the jab starts having any intended affect.

Why does it need to be in your blood? Any part of your body will produce a reaction.

originally posted by: quintessentone

The spike protein comes from the virus not the vaccine.

The vaccine is the spike protein but is missing a key part that the virus needs to reproduce. So it is inert but acts the same as entering the cell and triggering the immune system.