IDF Kills Palestinians to STEAL ORGANS FOR TRANSPLANTS

CA I enjoy sparring with you

OK I read your first post, it comes from here...
www.unesco.org...
now look one paragraph up and read this

Israel has recently become something of a pariah in the transplant world. Without a strong culture of organ donation and under the pressure of angry transplant candidates, the Ministry of Health has refused to crack down on the country�s multi-million dollar business in transplant tourism that arranges junkets from dialysis clinics in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv to medical centres in Europe and the United States.

YES! The quote that you used in reality is about Israelis travelling to other countries for transplants. In fact in the entire article there is nothing about Israel as being a destination for transplants. This is fraudlent use of a quote.

Here is the crux of the problem you too easily see what you want to see and not look critically at the facts, This quote is entirely out of context by pro palistinian propaganda producers.

Why are they propaganda? Where do you think they got the autopsy pics from? the Deaths columns in the newspapers? No they were aided by palastinians wishing to make a point, however wrong it is.


Lets look at your second quote...
www.oneworld.org...

Last week Israeli surgeon Zaki Shapira who performed the transplants was suspended from work by of the Israeli Health Ministry, pending a final decision by the Ministry's ethics committee.

Shapira's name cropped up in the Israeli media also last year, again in connection with suspected unethical kidney transplant operations. The Israeli authorities cannot start criminal proceedings against him, however, because the operations took place in Estonia.

Now where were the operations taking place?
RIGHT, in ESTONIA!

See how facts are twisted and taken out of context to prove a point, and now what sort of faith are you to have in any other information this site has?

HUH?

Well lets round off with the last quote...
www.icij.org...
Now where is this taking place?

Instead, they found the president of an association of patients waiting for kidney transplants, who said 50 Israelis had been saved in the last year by Turkish kidneys.

YES! TURKEY

Again twisted and distorted articles give a pretence of fact when in reality they are lies. These organ donors are leaving israel to get organs in Turkey, not many palastinian stone throwing kids there are there

Congratulations CC, there is your evidence...

Now can you see why we get sick of your Israeli hating posts? They are often biased propaganda pieces made by people to suck in gullible people who want an excuse for their hatred and don't care if its true of not.

Its mindless hatred based on lies that is disturbing, that posts like this are unchallanged and and accepted as truth without any research or analysis of what is presented by yourself.

Your desire to educate others is admirable but so often I am forced to point out the flakey and unreliable and basically untruthful sources for what they are.

You need to try and be more objective and not to let your hate dictate your reality.


[Edited on 24-7-2003 by Netchicken]

Ok so because they are rich, and people that wants those organs can pay a lot, means that and israeli team of doctors can just hire a plane and do it:
Estonia? If something goes wrong they go back to israel, they have the private jet to fly over countries and get whatever is necessary.

www.oneworld.org...



"According to Israel's Ha'aretz newspaper, however, each kidney operation cost the patient 150,000 dollars. Chaim Efraima, an adviser with the Priaso sponsorship company which organised the kidney transplant operations, says his company charged 160,000 dollars for each operation.

''Money is needed to hire a private aircraft, which stands by 10 days in the country the operation is carried out, as well as to pay a medical team of 11, for the use of hospital facilities and hotel accommodation. In emergencies we immediately fly back to Israel, which costs about 30,000 dollars.''

The unesco link is to show u how sad it is that even your own goverment (brazil case for example) is already doing it to its citizenship...



About the article of the ICJ, obiously they say that the link between them is as clear as the water, wherever takes place doesn`t matter, what matters is who IS THE BOSS, who has THE MONEY, and WHO PLanned, the place and the rest is secondary.
For example, nazis from ww2 going to live in america, mengele experimenting with human beens in america, somebody gets him, are they gonna say that america does experimentation with human beens?
No, they�ll say that they found some crazy nazis playing to be god with human beens in american land.

So please netchicken last quote is a non-sense, it really is, i hope u understand what i mean.
Anyway u also don�t say anything about the "born to kill" on the IDF soldiers? u find it ok?
Doesn�t tell u anything?
What about this thread?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy the read,

Trying to chage the topic is an old trick CA

Don't forget the topic wasn't about "rich israelis getting organ transplants elsewhere" but "Palistinian kids being used as organ donors."

This topic has been found by examining the sources to be unproven, if you want to debate the merits of organ donors then that is a second topic, and one where I imagine that Europeans and Americans are just as guilty as anyone else.

Instead of jumping from one topic to another like, from one sinking ship to another sinking ship, take a look at how you so easily accepted as truth a lie just because it suited your belief structure. That is concerning in a time where we want to know what is REALLY true.

What sets a board apart such as this from the morass of "this is my idea and I'm gonna shout it" type boards is the ability for people of different views to come together and actually learn something.

If, as I have shown, this post is just propaganda, how does that make you feel about other posts of a similar ilk, the holocaust denying posts for example. Can you see that a similar process of accepting something just because you hate Israel is at work?

If this post is wrong, and other anti Israel posts are wrong then is your hatred of Israel, and Judasm wrong? Because it is fraudulent websites like these you are using to fuel your belief system...

Originally posted by Netchicken
Trying to chage the topic is an old trick CA

Don't forget the topic wasn't about "rich israelis getting organ transplants elsewhere" but "Palistinian kids being used as organ donors."

This topic has been found by examining the sources to be unproven, if you want to debate the merits of organ donors then that is a second topic, and one where I imagine that Europeans and Americans are just as guilty as anyone else.

Instead of jumping from one topic to another like, from one sinking ship to another sinking ship, take a look at how you so easily accepted as truth a lie just because it suited your belief structure. That is concerning in a time where we want to know what is REALLY true.

What sets a board apart such as this from the morass of "this is my idea and I'm gonna shout it" type boards is the ability for people of different views to come together and actually learn something.

If, as I have shown, this post is just propaganda, how does that make you feel about other posts of a similar ilk, the holocaust denying posts for example. Can you see that a similar process of accepting something just because you hate Israel is at work?

If this post is wrong, and other anti Israel posts are wrong then is your hatred of Israel, and Judasm wrong? Because it is fraudulent websites like these you are using to fuel your belief system...

I am not trying to change the topic, actually even if they steal organs from kids from palestine, they "aren�t allowed" to do that in israel so they go to other countries to finish the work.
The title of the thread talks about the IDF, u haven�t mention them in all your posts yet, and in the main page i posted, u can see how they love the human beens with sentences like "born to kill" tell me that is normal or that i say it because i hate israel, come on mate.


Source unproven? Dude, let me check, so the IDF was going to face charges for genocide in brussels (same as sharon), but they aren�t bad enough to kill a kid (they are being killed daily) and take it to steal whatever is possible to use. Sure men! We leave in an organizated society this kind of things cannot happend in such a state, and it can just happend on 3rd world countries right?
Anyway another problem of this, is that the Israel story always comes the same way, so i can�t criticize them because they suffered the holocaust? So if they do something wrong or harmful for another race, we can apologize them saying "poor jews"?????
Please get real, and see the Zionist Trail in the US goverment, europe and all over the world, don�t call me nazi, names of senators, and more important people are saying enough. They do have Control on the World wide economy (not as much as the cabal tries to point out to get the blames all over the Zionist world when there is still more people involucrated.) and they do have from time ago, Netchicken, if u read all my posts about israel u don�t need to be antisemit to UNDERSTAND what is going on, i also guess that u have never been there once, which is also not favorable for u.

The funniest thing of all is that u still without telling me
what do u think about the IDF, what do u think about the 600km Wall Israel wants to build up.U didn�t tell me
why an Ukranian Site is gonna be Pro palestinian propaganda, or u didn�t tell me anything about even Jews being against Israel and its goverment. U are trying just to show "truth" by telling me that i hate israel, let me tell u something Netchicken, when u hate something, must be because of a reason right?
Ok, if i give u reasons enough to hate something because is doing bad to you, or your family for a long time, at the end u are going to hate it, just look at the american society with the arabs, just look at the security agencies, and the law enforcement just to the muslim minority...
Is that prejudice? Yes, the same thing u are trying to blame me for, but i never mention citizens, we are always talking about people taking decisions, important people, normal people don�t matter in those disscussions. I don�t have a prejudice, i just HATE unjustice, Lies, Corruption, Irrationalism, arrogance, etc etc etc , and Israel and more other countries are full of those, but mainly we are focusing on israel now,
If the Lords that are controlling Israel have no good ethic intentions, u can�t blame me, that creates an anger feeling, anger for the unjustice, anger for see how an innocent land is being destroyed and razed.

Pictures are shown on the website, i don�t say that those pics were 100% true, or that those kids died from IDF shoots, but i know (and that is a REAL source from somebody that lived there when intifada started) how IDF goes to Palestinian hospitals killing a half or all the patients, shooting Ambulances Etc etc, and i don�t care what u can say about this, i have friends and also family that already saw things that no Site on internet is showing or talking about.

I also don�t know how far u know the muslim and the Jewish religion, but when u read both books u will get to the point, i think u miss the point that jews, cristians, and muslims are at the same level of fanaticism.

Anyway i don�t want u to think i try to avoid the main conversation, i already demostrated u that my sources are not biased, u want to point them as biased, but the worst part of the story is that i don�t see links posted by you backing up what u say mate, anyway even just critizicing my links is not enough for you to probe that some of those soldiers are really doing this, i mean come on, we all saw american soldiers stealing gold from saddam�s palace, or Uk soliders raping womens in Africa, or even IDF killing peace activists, and u want to tell me that i try to blame israel because of a irrational Hate?
Dude, really don�t confuse my intentions with my threads, i don�t post all this because i hate israel, knowing certain things makes me Hate it, but is
simply because what they are doing is not human...

And be against that is a crime?

Fraudulent Sites?

Netchicken let�s get something straight, if i post a CNN
article, an arab will say what a BS american propaganda, if i post a site from intifada, americans will say what an BS arab propaganda, so what�s the problem? That u think that your own news are more trustable, but at the end they are both lying, u must understand this, because u also keep on discrediting the sources i post, but sometimes i�ve seen u posting washintong post, Ny times, or even Cnn.com, let me tell you that those are more biased than the arab ones, why?� there is more people watching it, so cabal must be more careful and manipulate more the info.

So my question for u netchicken is if u have proven that my sources are biased, is propaganda, and aren�t objective u are saying the EXACT same about the rest of them.

Don�t forget 2 things: Cabal likes to create the different faces, they don�t choose it, they create it, they are above that, is like why BBC is more trustable than CNN?

U will get people already choosing one of them, and start to fight to see which one is better, (the same with everything in society, specially politics), so what do they do ? Cabal just creates 2 parts, we choose from the 2, and we fight against the other, so what�s the story?
That cabal comes out clean, nobody even thinks about them, and they kept us busy fighting between each other just for a stupid reason.
They don�t choose they create all the sides.
That�s why, no media sources is possible to trust, even if it is Left wing- Right wing,as u can see they are the opposite, what do u get in america, left against right, all the time, and that�s what policits are based on.
Is the same with Links and media sources, u try to tell me that is propaganda?
This is nice mate, we can start also another thread about how do they use propaganda on us with propaganda but that�s another story.

Well i wait for your response...

U were looking pretty convinced about what u said in your last reply, therefore i don�t understand why u still not replying mate? Are u on holidays?

No, I am still here.
I answered this thread initially to show that it was bull#. Although it took me time to find the original sources, and work out what they were saying, I must admit that I succeeded in my aim.

Your initial post on Israelis using the organs of palastinians is indeed biased lying propaganda (which I intend to use on my own site as an example of the corrupt realities that you find on the internet).

Therefore my reason for posting here is finished.

I had tried to show you that if you so easily believe those lies then you are also a victim of other lies and I can't always be here to hold your hand and show you what is true or not.

However from your subsequent posts I can see that your mind is totally closed to reality and even if I continue to point out the falsehood of your beliefs, you will just move on to another falsehood, never admitting to yourself that I am right. That is because you cannot face the cognitive dissonence that would ocur if you forced yourself to open your eyes and really examine what you believe.

So I am not going to get into that situation recognising that it will cost me heaps of work for no outcome. So I will adopt gurilla tactics instead and live by the philosopy "He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day". Just know that i the masked netchicken am on your tail and will hunt down the truth in your future posts.