Appeals court upholds gag order on Trump in D.C. case but narrows restrictions on his speech

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The federal appeals court in the Washington case unanimously ruled to uphold Judge Chutkan's gag order in the election interference case, modifying it narrowly to allow certain types of speech that are not intimidating or harassing. While he will not be allowed to attack and intimidate the court staff or the witnesses, he is being allowed to attack Jack Smith. He can also respond to potential witnesses, but if it is completely unrelated to the cases, or their testimony.

For example, if a potential witness wrote a book, or posted something personal, Trump could comment on that, or talk to them about that. If someone said they were going on vacation to the Bahamas, for example, he could offer them recommendations on lodging or restaurants.

“Mr. Trump’s documented pattern of speech and its demonstrated real-time, real-world consequences pose a significant and imminent threat to the functioning of the criminal trial process in this case,” Judge Patricia Millett wrote for the court, noting that many of the targets of Trump’s verbal jabs “have been subjected to a torrent of threats and intimidation from his supporters.”

Though Trump has a constitutional right to free speech, she noted, he “does not have an unlimited right to speak.”

But he does have an undisputed right to speak about anything that is not related to the court case, and he can even attack the prosecutor.

“The interest in protecting witnesses from intimidation and harassment is doubtless compelling, but a broad prohibition on speech that is disconnected from an individual’s witness role is not necessary to protect that interest, at least on the current record,” the court wrote.

“Indeed,” the opinion says, “public exchanges of views with a reasonably foreseeable witness about the contents of his forthcoming book are unlikely to intimidate that witness or other potential witnesses weighing whether to come forward or to testify truthfully.”

One appeal remains -- to the Supreme Court.

But he does have an undisputed right to speak about anything that is not related to the court case, and he can even attack the prosecutor.

Oh wow he has the Right to Face his Accuser ..... God save us and here I was thinking that was a Constitutional right .

I don't get you mate ? I see you discussing other non-political topics and you clearly have a high level of intellect and then you come along a post this Clown Show crap .......

Why ?

a reply to: Mahogani

Does every tiny bit of Trump-related minutiae really need its own thread?
Step outside bro and get some fresh air.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

But he does have an undisputed right to speak about anything that is not related to the court case, and he can even attack the prosecutor.

Oh wow he has the Right to Face his Accuser ..... God save us and here I was thinking that was a Constitutional right .

I don't get you mate ?

You did not get this article, I think.

He does have a right to face his accusers, in court. He can not attack and disparage them outside of court, as he has been doing ceaselessly.

The gag order was upheld, unanimously. And it moved quickly. This means he can now appeal to the SC, and if they act quickly as well, all these gag orders in different cases will have an answer soon.

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And I've already explained my reasons for being here many times. I believe we are in an existential crisis between democracy and autocracy. I think I am doing my duty as a citizen, and also upholding my oath I took to my country and the Constitution, by defending it any way I can. Since I am older now and can't deploy any more, I will continue helping from home.

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: Mahogani

Does every tiny bit of Trump-related minutiae really need its own thread?
Step outside bro and get some fresh air.

Did you have to read it and comment, or could you have gone outside for some fresh air instead?

Thank you for choosing to read.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

A "high level of intellect" does not make one smart.

a reply to: Mahogani

I read the title, laughed, then responded at the risk of wasting untold gallons of water.

Mr. Trump’s documented pattern of speech and its demonstrated real-time, real-world consequences

He sure is like a Pied Piper for causing the Liberals to lose their minds with every little thing he says.
That’s all we ever hear from them is crying, crying and more crying.

Never seen such a weak minded, emotionally stunted, hurt feelz group of people.

a reply to: Mahogani

He does have a right to face his accusers, in court. He can not attack and disparage them outside of court, as he has been doing ceaselessly.

What are you so afraid he will say ?

The MSM has " ceaselessly " attacked Trump for near a decade now non-stop every little thing Spun by the media into a hot fire of Hyperbole .

and yet you and others on your train cant Handle ol Trumpy running his mouth against the people accusing him of what they know is complete Fabrications of nothingness that will lead to nothing.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

A "high level of intellect" does not make one smart.

True .

I suppose it all depends on where you decide to use the intellect.

originally posted by: Mahogani

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

But he does have an undisputed right to speak about anything that is not related to the court case, and he can even attack the prosecutor.

Oh wow he has the Right to Face his Accuser ..... God save us and here I was thinking that was a Constitutional right .

I don't get you mate ?

You did not get this article, I think.

He does have a right to face his accusers, in court. He can not attack and disparage them outside of court, as he has been doing ceaselessly.

The gag order was upheld, unanimously. And it moved quickly. This means he can now appeal to the SC, and if they act quickly as well, all these gag orders in different cases will have an answer soon.

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And I've already explained my reasons for being here many times. I believe we are in an existential crisis between democracy and autocracy. I think I am doing my duty as a citizen, and also upholding my oath I took to my country and the Constitution, by defending it any way I can. Since I am older now and can't deploy any more, I will continue helping from home.

So why can't he disparage them outside of court? Jack Smith has been doing it to Trump and that is ok?

Or is it a government man is above reproach and therefore not subject to criticism?

Or is it if the actual facts get out, the left will lose even more power....i mean, respect from those they lie to?

Again, the first amendment is not to protect speech you are ok with, it is to protect the speech you don't like.

And again, who cares about the I believe we are in an existential crisis between democracy and autocracy.....

First of all, can you even define existential, or are you just parroting your talking points?

Second....

WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY

we are a Republic.

And I don't care about autocracy, under the progressives we have become fascist. And those who parrot the existential BS, are not only ok with it...you endorse it.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: Mahogani

He does have a right to face his accusers, in court. He can not attack and disparage them outside of court, as he has been doing ceaselessly.

What are you so afraid he will say

?

...

and yet you and others on your train cant Handle ol Trumpy running his mouth against the people accusing him of what they know is complete Fabrications of nothingness that will lead to nothing.

Let me explain to you, and others, what you are doing here.

You are triggered by these news, and you have nothing to say about it. You KNOW he can't attack witnesses, or court staff, and you KNOW nobody else would be allowed to do that. Nobody. Laws are the same for everyone.

However, your cult leader suffering in any way is absolutely unconscionable to you, but you can't do anything about it.

So you're going to direct your anger at me, ask me questions as if I were the court and I made these decisions, and as if I had anything to do with Trump's coup, or his attacks on regular American citizens.

I do not, and I can't answer those questions for you. I am just reporting what's been happening.

Thank you for reading.

a reply to: Mahogani

Let me explain to you, and others, what you are doing here.

Nobody is angry with you dude, we pity you. Trump supporters don't care what is going on day to day with Trump. It has zero impact on us or our lives. Nobody cares, except the rabid left and assorted unaffiliated Trump-obsessed haters.

It's bizarre.

originally posted by: Mahogani

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: Mahogani

He does have a right to face his accusers, in court. He can not attack and disparage them outside of court, as he has been doing ceaselessly.

What are you so afraid he will say

?

...

and yet you and others on your train cant Handle ol Trumpy running his mouth against the people accusing him of what they know is complete Fabrications of nothingness that will lead to nothing.

Let me explain to you, and others, what you are doing here.

You are triggered by these news, and you have nothing to say about it. You KNOW he can't attack witnesses, or court staff, and you KNOW nobody else would be allowed to do that. Nobody. Laws are the same for everyone.

However, your cult leader suffering in any way is absolutely unconscionable to you, but you can't do anything about it.

So you're going to direct your anger at me, ask me questions as if I were the court and I made these decisions, and as if I had anything to do with Trump's coup, or his attacks on regular American citizens.

I do not, and I can't answer those questions for you. I am just reporting what's been happening.

Thank you for reading.

Bolding mine.

Triggered, ha.

Pissed at the double standards, you bet.

Pissed at those that condone the stripping of rights from an American for political gain, sure.

Above all?

Most of us are disgusted at the double standards, and those who carry water for them. we are disgusted at those who do as they are told and don't think for themselves.

Those of us who have studied history, both recent and ancient, know how this ends. With the rights stripped for all. With the many serving the few. Back to serfdom. And when TSHTF, you will yell for help, but those who would have helped you, are the ones you silenced.

Buckle up, the cliff is just ahead.

a reply to: theatreboy

Explain these double standards please. Can you use examples?

Who is attacking witnesses and court employees, causing them to fear for their lives, and IS NOT being gagged by the court, and is being allowed to continue?

It Trump was being gagged and someone else was not, that would be a double standard.

Please give us an example of this double standard. Or are you making some false equivalency?

a reply to: Mahogani

You are triggered by these news, and you have nothing to say about it. You KNOW he can't attack witnesses, or court staff, and you KNOW nobody else would be allowed to do that. Nobody. Laws are the same for everyone.

Attack ? you act as if he is Physically assaulting them ? The man is a celebrity with a camera on him everywhere he goes and when he speaks hundreds of millions of people listen .

He is well within his rights to Say what he wants " Freedom Of Speech " and what not . Which is why the courts are putting a literal gag order on him .

However, your cult leader suffering in any way is absolutely unconscionable to you, but you can't do anything about it.

I could give a Sh*t about Donald Trump , but what does fascinate me is your Obsession and others Obsession with him which is why I feel the need to chime in

So you're going to direct your anger at me, ask me questions as if I were the court and I made these decisions, and as if I had anything to do with Trump's coup, or his attacks on regular American citizens.

Don't make the OP if you cant deal with the fall out

originally posted by: Mahogani
a reply to: theatreboy

Explain these double standards please. Can you use examples?

Who is attacking witnesses and court employees, causing them to fear for their lives, and IS NOT being gagged by the court, and is being allowed to continue?

It Trump was being gagged and someone else was not, that would be a double standard.

Please give us an example of this double standard. Or are you making some false equivalency?

Right now, I don't have time. you can look it up, look up AG James or Jack Smith press conferences they bash Trump with no evidence. You know, get the masses the sound bites. They believe anything they are told. The court of public opinion is the only guilty they will get...in the end.

If you can't do your own research, I will be back in 12 hours or so and do it for you. I have 25 to house and 60 to places.....the suck button doesn't turn itself on.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: Mahogani

He does have a right to face his accusers, in court. He can not attack and disparage them outside of court, as he has been doing ceaselessly.

What are you so afraid he will say

?

The MSM has " ceaselessly " attacked Trump for near a decade now non-stop every little thing Spun by the media into a hot fire of Hyperbole .

Very often when people hold as much influence as him can say or hint at actions that very often are violent.
Being a bully online or offline is a huge tell of character and intentions.
He clearly has a big mouth and that will ultimately have an emotional effect on people and drive their decision making skills.
If you can't comprehend how words more often then not turn to action then.....I don't know what to tell ya.

originally posted by: Mahogani


Please give us an example of this double standard. Or are you making some false equivalency?

ny1.com...

One of many. If you don't know, now you know.

a reply to: theatreboy

So false equivalency then.