Exposing the cover up of Astrazeneca vaccine-induced deaths

originally posted by: WaESN

originally posted by: NorthOS

The bottom line is that those of us that didn’t take these vaccines due to caution were correct.

Apart from those who died from Covid (including quite a few very prominent anti-vaxxers)

Meanwhile, most of us who did take the vaccine are perfectly fine.

The AZ vaccine has been withdrawn for a reason. It was not a safe and effective vaccine.

Meanwhile, the same is true for most people who were infected with the virus or developed Covid and are perfectly fine now.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: koolkikitty
a reply to: chr0naut

It's actually not as rare as you claim. Not only do I know someone who died horribly from the vaccine, I know others who were strongly pro-vaccine that are now questioning deaths and their own symptoms from the boosters.

To date, Pfizer alone has paid out billions in medical injuries across different products. In addition, they paid out over 2 billion in 2009 for fraudulent marketing of four drugs, among other allegations.

Please explain to me why you trust these companies so much?

Because they know they will be totally screwed if they stuff up on this scale.

And also, the companies were set up to produce medicines. They had humanitarian goals from the outset.

They could have had less lofty goals and have made more money, without all the costs and regulation, and close watching by authorities, if that was their only aim. I mean look at the Trump organization by comparison, it's clearly been take only, never give back.

Yes, they have stuffed up in the past, but I don't think they actually planned to reduce their customer base, and damage their reputation, in such stuff-ups. That would be highly unprofitable.

The problem with the vaccine industry and its followers and medical professionals who are invested in promoting them is that they wouldn't admit the death was caused by the vaccine. They cover up vaccine-induced deaths while keep promoting and pushing these products.

Actually, they do admit to their vaccines being the cause of injuries, but they are miniscule in number especially compared to the injuries and deaths caused by food additives and processing methods. It doesn't stop food processing, packaging, distribution and manufacture of unsafe foods.

Can you not see anything wrong with this type of argument you just made?

The COVID-19 immunizations are even more benign than all of the above.

What's disgusting is that you either know that's an absurd lie or you're just totally ignorant of the topic yet still feel entitled to speak authoritatively on it. You present your fabrications as fact and then float bs qualitative data to support it, data that you would never accept for vaccine side-effects. You're incapable of refusing whatever agitprop your political tribe is currently tickling your prostate with.

Power tools are not recommended for use by six month old babies or children, nor are food additives or any of the other nonsense. These vaccines were forced on people, they have been recommended for children that don't need them and are at elevated risk of adverse events from them. Don't bother trying to weasel out of it by saying AZ is already off the market. You're citing all the "immunizations" for COVID, which have nowhere near the quality and quantity of study that Ivermectin has over time. You know this though. You are just intentionally misleading members of this forum.

It's not a difference of opinion. It is you knowingly telling a lie. It's the same lie that was told in 2021 and anybody still telling it has zero credibility. Of course portraying yourself as an authority has put you in a difficult position now. If you try to claim ignorance then people might wonder how you were so certain of everything for three years. So, now you have to choose being viewed as a liar or as being totally ignorant about the topic you've spent most of three years playing expert on. One of those is happening. I guess you get to decide which you run with first.

Calls to hotlines as reported on by pharma sponsored media is not evidence that Ivermectin has harmed more people than COVID vaccines. Fake articles about ivermectin overdoses overwhelming the ER were shown to be fabrications. Anybody that had knowledge of how Ivermectin works and its history knew it was nonsense when it was published. Sadly, you seem to have an ongoing and intractable lack of knowledge of virtually everything related to COVID.

Remember how you accepted the pharma sponsored shilling that VAERS isn't valid and is highly over-reported because it's open to the public? Remember how those numbers have to be carefully reviewed by the CDC to ensure they were valid before they can be used for science? Well... poison control is literally a free information line... there is no mandated information reporting. So, by your criteria that increase in Ivermectin calls to poison control isn't valid or indicative of anything anyway. Naturally you'll have some internal rationalization why you reject VAERS data and accepted this lower quality news article about hotline call volume absent any real clinical evidence.

Ivermectin doses have been given liberaly for decades and have no adverse events anywhere near the levels of COVID 19 vaccines in frequency or severity. Ivermectin also doesn't increase your risk of future infection from COVID and doesn't cause a nearly 20% rate of subclinical mycarditis in young males. Both are known from studies of real clinical data. That's just two of the many common adverse events associated with COVID vaccines proven with real clinical data and not alarmist news reports citing social media bots.

You fail to see the constant contradictions in your pharma inspired religious beliefs, but I'll gladly point out more of them if you wish to continue. All the lies are achieving now is getting more parents to stop giving their kids dozens of unnecessary vaccines before they're adults and making more adults think twice about their annual shots. Huge win for COVID vaccine cultists, eh?

Please provide us with how many people have died from Ivermectin... EVER... so that you can attempt to defend your absurd lie. Show me how many have been permanently injured, hospitalized, or seen by a medical provider for adverse events from Ivermectin... ever.

You say nothing is being covered up, because you literally are and have been participating in the astroturfing portion of the cover-up with bs lies like this. There is no real disputing that you have put many hours into parroting lies about things surrounding COVID and the vaccines, unless you were making up the lies yourself. This is pretty indisputable. So, it is not a surprise that you claim that one admission of a vaccine death is evidence there's no cover-up. It's an ongoing cover-up which is why your corrupt government is targeting people that release data or tell the truth. You can lie to yourself, but you're not fooling anyone else.

You've been lying about this for three years, demonstrable lies, documented here. This is just one more that is notable only because it's such a blatant, bold, and transparent lie. If you weren't lying and these were all just "mistakes", then I guess you should stop blindly parroting things you haven't verified yourself.

Now, let's see those numbers of Ivermectin.

a reply to: kwaka

Thnx

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17
a reply to: chr0naut

The deaths and injuries from the AZ vaccine are not as rare as you think they are. I can't believe people are using the same lines and the same excuses used by the medical establishment in the last three years.

AstraZeneca vaccine: risk of death is 1 in a million, but what does that mean?

The people are using the medical establishment's and government's 'line's because they are the only source of credible data.

Everything else is made-up. Usually by kooks with an online following.

Do you always trust the pharmaceutical establishment and the government to tell you the truth? I think not many do in our days.

Big pharma isn't interested in truth or science but in the promotion of their products and we know what happens when profit becomes the top priority. The government and big pharma have been proven wrong again and again on how safe and effective these vaccines are. Where is their credibility?

There are numerous academic, credentialled, and authoritative institutions and individuals who can explain what they have observed objectively using scientific method and targeted inquiry, usually on the side of 'big pharma' (as if 'big pharma' aren't numerous competing companies both large and small).

What have you got? Rando's on social media, doom-porn conspiracies, and misinformation sites? So credible.

And, yes, big pharma tries to make money - so does the Trump organization. What has the Trump organization given to the world, and what has big pharma given to to the world, in comparison?

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: koolkikitty
a reply to: chr0naut

It's actually not as rare as you claim. Not only do I know someone who died horribly from the vaccine, I know others who were strongly pro-vaccine that are now questioning deaths and their own symptoms from the boosters.

To date, Pfizer alone has paid out billions in medical injuries across different products. In addition, they paid out over 2 billion in 2009 for fraudulent marketing of four drugs, among other allegations.

Please explain to me why you trust these companies so much?

Because they know they will be totally screwed if they stuff up on this scale.

And also, the companies were set up to produce medicines. They had humanitarian goals from the outset.

They could have had less lofty goals and have made more money, without all the costs and regulation, and close watching by authorities, if that was their only aim. I mean look at the Trump organization by comparison, it's clearly been take only, never give back.

Yes, they have stuffed up in the past, but I don't think they actually planned to reduce their customer base, and damage their reputation, in such stuff-ups. That would be highly unprofitable.

The problem with the vaccine industry and its followers and medical professionals who are invested in promoting them is that they wouldn't admit the death was caused by the vaccine. They cover up vaccine-induced deaths while keep promoting and pushing these products.

Actually, they do admit to their vaccines being the cause of injuries, but they are miniscule in number especially compared to the injuries and deaths caused by food additives and processing methods. It doesn't stop food processing, packaging, distribution and manufacture of unsafe foods.

You shouldn't make these comparisons between food additives and medical products so to excuse the large number of deaths and injuries caused by the covid vaccines. I see you keep pushing the doctrine of 'miniscule deaths and injuries' but the fact is the AZ vaccine has been completely withdrawn because it is a failed vaccine.

The fact that it has been withdrawn might indicate that 'they' aren't trying to kill you so 'they' can make profits?

There are also other factors, as well as humanitarian ones, that were behind the withdrawal.

The AZ immunization is not effective against strains later than and including Omicron. It's effectiveness changed as the virus mutated, so to continue immunizing people in an environment where Omicron and its descendants were predominant, would have been pointless.

The AZ immunization is not the only COVID-19 immunization to be discontinued in a country or two. Consider what has happened to the J&J one, internationally, too.

originally posted by: Armageddon17

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17
a reply to: chr0naut

The deaths and injuries from the AZ vaccine are not as rare as you think they are. I can't believe people are using the same lines and the same excuses used by the medical establishment in the last three years.

AstraZeneca vaccine: risk of death is 1 in a million, but what does that mean?

The people are using the medical establishment's and government's 'line's because they are the only source of credible data.

Everything else is made-up. Usually by kooks with an online following.

You mean the usual 'safe and effective' line?!
It didn't work very well unless you think it's still a good explanation.

Safety and effectiveness are not absolutes. Water, sugar and salt are all not 'absolutely' safe.

And "Safe and Effective" is still a good explanation in terms of real-world risk.

Excess sugar and salt intake and simply driving around in a car are way more dangerous than modern immunizations.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17
a reply to: chr0naut

The deaths and injuries from the AZ vaccine are not as rare as you think they are. I can't believe people are using the same lines and the same excuses used by the medical establishment in the last three years.

AstraZeneca vaccine: risk of death is 1 in a million, but what does that mean?

The people are using the medical establishment's and government's 'line's because they are the only source of credible data.

Everything else is made-up. Usually by kooks with an online following.

You mean the usual 'safe and effective' line?!
It didn't work very well unless you think it's still a good explanation.

Excess sugar and salt intake and simply driving around in a car are way more dangerous than modern immunizations.

These aren't even rational comparisons, nor is "way more" even a meaningful term. You're just trying to lie by using risk factors you don't understand.

Ivermectin is safer than COVID vaccines and you are a liar. Vague and meaningless "excess" consumption of sugar and salt is 100% guaranteed safer AND better understood than COVID vaccine adverse events like fulminating COVID and vaccine induced COVID inflammatory syndrome. All one needs to do to stop getting excess salt and sugar is to stop consuming them. Salt and sugar do not cause you to replicate toxic spike proteins throughout your body for unknown duration after consumption.

Prove me wrong or cry ignorance, but if you choose to continue lying about COVID vaccines you're going to have a bad time.

Is it ego that doesn't allow you to plead ignorance or you just don't care that intentionally misleading other members is both a violation of the T&C AND morally reprehensible?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17
a reply to: chr0naut

The deaths and injuries from the AZ vaccine are not as rare as you think they are. I can't believe people are using the same lines and the same excuses used by the medical establishment in the last three years.

AstraZeneca vaccine: risk of death is 1 in a million, but what does that mean?

The people are using the medical establishment's and government's 'line's because they are the only source of credible data.

Everything else is made-up. Usually by kooks with an online following.

You mean the usual 'safe and effective' line?!
It didn't work very well unless you think it's still a good explanation.

Safety and effectiveness are not absolutes. Water, sugar and salt are all not 'absolutely' safe.

And "Safe and Effective" is still a good explanation in terms of real-world risk.

Excess sugar and salt intake and simply driving around in a car are way more dangerous than modern immunizations.

Immunization from what? Many vaccinated people I know have had Covid two, three, or in one case four times!

originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17
a reply to: chr0naut

The deaths and injuries from the AZ vaccine are not as rare as you think they are. I can't believe people are using the same lines and the same excuses used by the medical establishment in the last three years.

AstraZeneca vaccine: risk of death is 1 in a million, but what does that mean?

The people are using the medical establishment's and government's 'line's because they are the only source of credible data.

Everything else is made-up. Usually by kooks with an online following.

You mean the usual 'safe and effective' line?!
It didn't work very well unless you think it's still a good explanation.

Safety and effectiveness are not absolutes. Water, sugar and salt are all not 'absolutely' safe.

And "Safe and Effective" is still a good explanation in terms of real-world risk.

Excess sugar and salt intake and simply driving around in a car are way more dangerous than modern immunizations.

Immunization from what? Many vaccinated people I know have had Covid two, three, or in one case four times!

How many were hospitalised? How many died?

Do you understand what vaccines actually do?

originally posted by: WaESN

originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17
a reply to: chr0naut

The deaths and injuries from the AZ vaccine are not as rare as you think they are. I can't believe people are using the same lines and the same excuses used by the medical establishment in the last three years.

AstraZeneca vaccine: risk of death is 1 in a million, but what does that mean?

The people are using the medical establishment's and government's 'line's because they are the only source of credible data.

Everything else is made-up. Usually by kooks with an online following.

You mean the usual 'safe and effective' line?!
It didn't work very well unless you think it's still a good explanation.

Safety and effectiveness are not absolutes. Water, sugar and salt are all not 'absolutely' safe.

And "Safe and Effective" is still a good explanation in terms of real-world risk.

Excess sugar and salt intake and simply driving around in a car are way more dangerous than modern immunizations.

Immunization from what? Many vaccinated people I know have had Covid two, three, or in one case four times!

Do you understand what vaccines actually do?

In the case of mRNA COVID vaccines what they do is result in more adverse event reports in the US than all other available vaccines combined along with a demonstrable increased risk of death and long term disability for many people that take them.

Glad I could explain that for you.

a reply to: ksihkahe

Prove me wrong or cry ignorance, but if you choose to continue lying about COVID vaccines you're going to have a bad time.

This is the war!!!

You sir/madame should calm down a bit. After all, you and your kind enthusiastically supporting Ivermectin are not that much different from vaccine enthusiasts happily waiting in long queues to get their shots. You both show blind trust in medical gurus. The only difference is that they trust the mainstream gurus while you trust the fringe ones.

Judging by your posts, you're not a scientist. You have no medical training. You get your "knowledge" from the internet like others. Only, it's not knowledge but faith. Because how can you be sure that what you're reading is true if you really have no means to verify that? I will tell you what your wisdom looks like. You have an already formulated thesis in your mind and you search for all the sources that confirm that thesis. Confirmation bias, this is your religion. You don't even want to consider the alternative view points.

Chr0naut is arguing his points well enough. Just because he has different views than you doesn't mean he's lying. Here is s thing. If your immune system goes crazy, anything can kill you. Not just unhealthy food with too much fat or sugar but any addition to food that you happen to be allergic to and unaware of.

And every drug has a list of potential side effects, often a long one. That includes your drug for... parasitic infections. It's been empirically proven that antibiotics can't cure viral or fungal infections. Dunno about anti-parasitic drugs. Can the med for scabies cure Covid-19? Maybe, I'm not an expert. Who knows? In the near future they can even try to cure STD with Zyrtec.

originally posted by: rickymouse
I don't have much faith in any of the covid vaccines, long term research and broad form research was not adequately done to prove safety.

I've asked this question multiple times, and never had anyone even bother to answer, let alone provide a reasonable answer...

How can anyone trust these mega-corporate psychopathic liars and fraudsters about anything, even so-called 'traditional' vaccines?

What is more likely?
a) They were good, honorable, trustworthy people right up to 2020 and the introductiuon of these experimental gene therapies sold to everyone as 'vaccines'?
Or
b) They have always been psychopathic liars and fraudsters the entire time, and have lied just as much about the safety and efficacy (through fraudulent tests) of each and every drug they have ever brought to market, including so-called 'traditional' vaccines?

Occam's Razor being what it is, I know what the most likely true answer is.

Do you?

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: koolkikitty
Because they know they will be totally screwed if they stuff up on this scale.

They currently enjoy liability protection, at least here in the USA. People can try to sue, but it will virtually never go anywhere.

And also, the companies were set up to produce medicines. They had humanitarian goals from the outset.

My god, the sheer child-like blind trust in your words - bordering on worship even - in companies run by such vile, evil people, makes me think of only one thing:

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams

Of course that was one of our Founding Fathers addressing Americans in the early days of the formation of this great experiment known as the USA, but it is equally applicable to peoples anywhere in the world.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: koolkikitty
Because they know they will be totally screwed if they stuff up on this scale.

They currently enjoy liability protection, at least here in the USA. People can try to sue, but it will virtually never go anywhere.

The pharma companies can also go out of business if no-one (general public, health authorities or governments) wants to purchase or use their products - take a look at what has happened to AstraZeneca.

And also, the companies were set up to produce medicines. They had humanitarian goals from the outset.

My god, the sheer child-like blind trust in your words - bordering on worship even

Nope, not the slightest hint of worship. That is something fabricated to try and justify your opinions, by vilifying everyone who might possibly challenge the fragility of the doom-porn assumptions.

- in companies run by such vile, evil people, makes me think of only one thing:

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams

Of course that was one of our Founding Fathers addressing Americans in the early days of the formation of this great experiment known as the USA, but it is equally applicable to peoples anywhere in the world.

Man, weren't those US founding fathers anarchists!



Also, strangely, considering what he had said, Adams opposed any emancipation type legislation (when he got into power, of course).

By the way, Samuel Adams' second wife had a slave, called Surrey, who lived in his house. Yeah, but he did, eventually, give her emancipation papers, years later - when she was very old and totally dependent.

... So much for all those empty words about 'liberty', eh!



And all that other talk by those guys about "No taxation without representation" and the Boston harbor antics, how long did it take those 'founding fathers' to set up their own private company to gouge their new 'subjects' once they had gained power?

They didn't want to rule fairly and justly, they wanted to take over da business.



Talk about bait and switch betrayal of principles! Those 'founding' guys were evil!

... and, I know that it is a taboo in your country to even think of such things, but would you have had all that slavery, and civil war, and a whole stack of privations and injustices (like Montauk, Tuskakegie, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Northwoods, etc, etc,), if they had remained under the British Commonwealth, and not set up to be ruled by robber barons?

Would the British, or the French, or whomever else was possibly in the mix there, be as bad as your government has been?

I mean, look at how other governments have historically dealt with the same social issues as the US had, without all the warfare, oppression and violence?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: rickymouse
I don't have much faith in any of the covid vaccines, long term research and broad form research was not adequately done to prove safety.

I've asked this question multiple times, and never had anyone even bother to answer, let alone provide a reasonable answer...

How can anyone trust these mega-corporate psychopathic liars and fraudsters about anything, even so-called 'traditional' vaccines?

Yes, there have been breaches of trust, and errors, and accidents, but when these are found out, prosecuted, remedied where possible, and publicized, it has always been by the watchdog groups set up by authorities and industry insiders.

The very people you are accusing of being psychopaths and liars are the ONLY people actually doing something, and putting down money, resources and their time, to protect us.

What is more likely?
a) They were good, honorable, trustworthy people right up to 2020 and the introductiuon of these experimental gene therapies sold to everyone as 'vaccines'?
Or
b) They have always been psychopathic liars and fraudsters the entire time, and have lied just as much about the safety and efficacy (through fraudulent tests) of each and every drug they have ever brought to market, including so-called 'traditional' vaccines?

Occam's Razor being what it is, I know what the most likely true answer is.

Do you?

What about"

c) None of the above.

You don't seem to have considered that the only two options you have offered are both unlikely.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: rickymouse
I don't have much faith in any of the covid vaccines, long term research and broad form research was not adequately done to prove safety.

I've asked this question multiple times, and never had anyone even bother to answer, let alone provide a reasonable answer...

How can anyone trust these mega-corporate psychopathic liars and fraudsters about anything, even so-called 'traditional' vaccines?

What is more likely?
a) They were good, honorable, trustworthy people right up to 2020 and the introductiuon of these experimental gene therapies sold to everyone as 'vaccines'?
Or
b) They have always been psychopathic liars and fraudsters the entire time, and have lied just as much about the safety and efficacy (through fraudulent tests) of each and every drug they have ever brought to market, including so-called 'traditional' vaccines?

Occam's Razor being what it is, I know what the most likely true answer is.

Do you?

I would think that these 'big medicine' and 'socially aware governments' have improved quality of life, and extended lifespans, far more than they have done the opposite. This is obvious and self evident. It is simple, verifiable and not complicated to grasp - Ockham's Razor.

I think that your desire to believe the doom-porn is threatened by the fact that as time goes by, none of it has happened nor is happening, and so, rather than challenge your own assumptions, you are looking for any possible validation and will ignore any critical review of what you find.

And when evidence does arise that threatens to discredit your beliefs, you assert that everyone is lying and can't be trusted. And you know this because... (insert doom-porn based allegation/s).

Does that answer your question?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: rickymouse
I don't have much faith in any of the covid vaccines, long term research and broad form research was not adequately done to prove safety.

I've asked this question multiple times, and never had anyone even bother to answer, let alone provide a reasonable answer...

How can anyone trust these mega-corporate psychopathic liars and fraudsters about anything, even so-called 'traditional' vaccines?

What is more likely?
a) They were good, honorable, trustworthy people right up to 2020 and the introductiuon of these experimental gene therapies sold to everyone as 'vaccines'?
Or
b) They have always been psychopathic liars and fraudsters the entire time, and have lied just as much about the safety and efficacy (through fraudulent tests) of each and every drug they have ever brought to market, including so-called 'traditional' vaccines?

Occam's Razor being what it is, I know what the most likely true answer is.

Do you?

I would think that these 'big medicine' and 'socially aware governments' have improved quality of life, and extended lifespans, far more than they have done the opposite. This is obvious and self evident. It is simple, verifiable and not complicated to grasp - Ockham's Razor.

Ockhams Razor would support the cyclical cycle in the rise and fall of society's throughout history.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: tanstaafl
They can also go out of business if no-one (general public, health authorities or governments) wants to purchase or use their products - take a look at what happened to the AstraZeneca.

As long as big pharma has the liability protections and are allowed to market their toxins to the general public in the form of advertising, that will likely never happen.

The good news is that a whole lot of people had their eyes opened during the plan/scam-demic, so this may actually happen someday. We can only hope.

Nope, not the slightest hint of worship.

If you actually believe that then you either never read what you write, or just enjoy gaslighting.

That is something that you have fabricated to try and justify your opinions, by vilifying everyone who might challenge your fragile premises and assumptions.

Talking to yourself in the mirror again... tsk, tsk... Rotflmao!

By the way, Samuel Adams second wife had a slave, called Surrey, who lived in his house. Yeah, but he did, eventually, give her emancipation papers, years later - when she was very old and totally dependent.

Also, strangely, considering what he had said, Adams opposed any emancipation type legislation (when he got into power, of course).

So much for all those empty words about 'liberty', eh!

So much for intellectual honesty and understanding things in the context of the times they were living in.

... and, I know that it is a taboo in your country to even think of such things, but would you have had all that slavery,

All just a part of the times - you know, those times when slavery existed all over the world, even in the British Commonwealth (they were the major slave traders, but I'm sure you know that) and virtually every other european country )even your own, wherever you happen to be (I know it isn't here).

and civil war,

Stuff happens.

and a whole stack of privations and injustices (like Montauk, Tuskakegie, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Northwoods, etc, etc,),

Yep, those all have a day of reckoning coming due, sooner or later (preferably sooner).

Would the British, or the French, or whomever else was possibly in the mix there, be as bad as your government has been? I mean, look at how they have historically dealt with the same issues without all the oppression and violence.

Been soaking in all of those kick-ass lies from the 1619 project, eh? That's a sad little sack you got there, matey.

originally posted by: navigator70

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: rickymouse
I don't have much faith in any of the covid vaccines, long term research and broad form research was not adequately done to prove safety.

I've asked this question multiple times, and never had anyone even bother to answer, let alone provide a reasonable answer...

How can anyone trust these mega-corporate psychopathic liars and fraudsters about anything, even so-called 'traditional' vaccines?

What is more likely?
a) They were good, honorable, trustworthy people right up to 2020 and the introductiuon of these experimental gene therapies sold to everyone as 'vaccines'?
Or
b) They have always been psychopathic liars and fraudsters the entire time, and have lied just as much about the safety and efficacy (through fraudulent tests) of each and every drug they have ever brought to market, including so-called 'traditional' vaccines?

Occam's Razor being what it is, I know what the most likely true answer is.

Do you?

I would think that these 'big medicine' and 'socially aware governments' have improved quality of life, and extended lifespans, far more than they have done the opposite. This is obvious and self evident. It is simple, verifiable and not complicated to grasp - Ockham's Razor.

Ockhams Razor would support the cyclical cycle in the rise and fall of society's throughout history.

Really?

Pease tell me a system of government, prior in time to to the American revolution, that gave people lifetimes of longer than "four score years and ten" and improved the quality of life as significantly?

But, yeah, empires fall.

originally posted by: WaESN

originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Armageddon17
a reply to: chr0naut

The deaths and injuries from the AZ vaccine are not as rare as you think they are. I can't believe people are using the same lines and the same excuses used by the medical establishment in the last three years.

AstraZeneca vaccine: risk of death is 1 in a million, but what does that mean?

The people are using the medical establishment's and government's 'line's because they are the only source of credible data.

Everything else is made-up. Usually by kooks with an online following.

You mean the usual 'safe and effective' line?!
It didn't work very well unless you think it's still a good explanation.

Safety and effectiveness are not absolutes. Water, sugar and salt are all not 'absolutely' safe.

And "Safe and Effective" is still a good explanation in terms of real-world risk.

Excess sugar and salt intake and simply driving around in a car are way more dangerous than modern immunizations.

Immunization from what? Many vaccinated people I know have had Covid two, three, or in one case four times!

How many were hospitalised? How many died?

Do you understand what vaccines actually do?

Do you know what immunization actually is?

But I’m sure that my three days of Covid would have been much less severe if I had been injected with the experimental gene therapy! (Sarcasm)