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Meanwhile, Hamas sought to convince Israel it cared more about ensuring that workers in Gaza, a narrow strip of land with more than two million residents, had access to jobs across the border and had no interest in starting a new war.
"Hamas was able to build a whole image that it was not ready for a military adventure against Israel," the source said.
Since a 2021 war with Hamas, Israel has sought to provide a basic level of economic stability in Gaza by offering incentives including thousands of permits so Gazans can work in Israel or the West Bank, where salaries in construction, agriculture or service jobs can be 10 times the level of pay in Gaza.
"We believed that the fact that they were coming in to work and bringing money into Gaza would create a certain level of calm. We were wrong," another Israeli army spokesperson said.
www.reuters.com...
originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: Lazy88
Hamas molests and corrupts everything they touch.
Can we just all cut to the freaking chase and go after Iran? Their freaking proxies that assure the world can't have Saudi Arabia talking peace to Israel.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
I can't even imagine what they went through and what those still held captive are going through. For those that survive and are released, the trauma will stay with them for the rest of their lives. Severe psychological torture to the point where the hostages are hallucinating. Beatings and rape. Starvation. And not only have the children been kidnapped and seen murder and rape, but I read an article that said the children were BRANDED with hot metal so they were marked as hostages and that they were drugged. One little boy spoke of beatings and being forced to watch videos of the terrorists slaughtering people. What kind of person can do these things to children? This is not 'freedom fighting'.
Doctor treating freed Hamas hostages reveals unprecedented abuse: 'We have to rewrite the textbooks'
A doctor treating freed Hamas hostages in Israel says survivors are suffering from an unprecedented level of "extremely severe psychological abuse" endured during captivity. "I can tell you that on behalf of all the medical and psychological teams treating those who return, the mental states we encountered have no precedent in medical literature. We feel that we have to rewrite the textbooks of post-trauma," Dr. Renana Eitan told "Sunday Night in America."
"Those held captive were subject to starvation, to beating, to sexual abuse. They were being held in inhumane sanitary conditions. Extremely severe psychological abuse was inflicted on them, including separation from family members, separation of siblings, separation of children from their mothers. They were held in solitary confinement and spent long days in total darkness until they developed severe hallucinations," Eitan claimed. "Children were forced to watch brutal videos. They were under constant threats by weapons and threats to harm them even after they were released. They refer to the forced use of psychiatric drugs and other substances."
Eitan also detailed cases where individuals, though appearing physically unharmed, are dealing with "severe post-traumatic symptoms." "Some of the home comers, they look happy, they look fine, they look physically fine, and we try to hold on to those optimistic signs, but still, even those who seem fine, we know that most of them [are] suffering from severe post-traumatic symptoms, they have painful, traumatic memories. And they are entering into dissociative states, where for a moment they feel as if they are still in captivity and only later do they return to the understanding that they have been released," she said.
originally posted by: ARM19688
Unprecedented is a big claim.
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originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: ARM19688
Unprecedented is a big claim.
I took it as unprecedented for Israel. I suppose it's open to interpretation. I saw a show on TV where they interviewed the morgue workers in Israel and they said what happened was worse than the concentration camps in Germany.
originally posted by: ARM19688
That is BOTH sides in this now.
originally posted by: kwaka
At 10 min there is some footage of the Israel hostages before their return.
At 28 min shows one Palestine person after 17 years in Israel captivity.
originally posted by: kwaka
rumble.com...
At 10 min there is some footage of the Israel hostages before their return.
At 28 min shows one Palestine person after 17 years in Israel captivity.
When it comes to unprecedented levels of abuse...
exactly. DERP factor of 9.
originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: FlyersFan
About what was expected, sounds like actually war crimes.
As they're crying for above board bombing raids.
"War crime, War Crime, Israel Jewish War Crime! Okay, now starve them, hold them in squalor, force several hours of propaganda watching, psychological abuse, and then rape the 9 year old and say she would look good in a burka. And be sure to remind everyone about all the War crimes Israel is committing!"
originally posted by: Mustwecare
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Mustwecare
Why does this seem to make one want to think “well these guys must be the bad guys”? Is this trying to influence one’s opinion? Like propaganda? How strange!
Truth isn't 'propaganda'. It's just truth. And yes, Hamas ARE the bad guys.
Beatings. Rape. Branding of children. Drugs. Starvation. Murder.
Isolation in dark rooms until people hallucinate. etc etc.
Newsflash ... that's BAD.
Sorry to say, but in times of war and violence the truth is often obscured. The truth you claim that these guys here are the bad ones is intended to promote not truth, but an opinion.
Would intentionally allowing your citizens to be murder and raped be considered good?
originally posted by: SprocketUK
I really am sick of these threads where the usual suspects pile in denying anything bad was ever done to the Jews and trying to pretend that the Pallys were doing nothing bad at all and Israel just started bombing kindergartens.
If you are gonna side with a nazi ideology at least own it.
originally posted by: network dude
what kind of crazy person would be concerned with the actual GUYS raping the child? DERP, amirite!
originally posted by: Mustwecare
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Mustwecare
Would intentionally allowing your citizens to be murder and raped be considered good?
There is ZERO evidence that Israel intentionally allowed this to happen.
There may have been breakdowns in their defenses and bad decisions.
But there is ZERO evidence that Israel intended for this to happen.
In your quest to blame Israel, you are avoiding the actual topic of the thread. Failing to condemn the 'unprecedented abuse' that has been discovered. Beatings. Rape. Branding of children. Drugs. Starvation. Murder. Isolation in dark rooms until people hallucinate. etc etc.
The intent of the thread is to sell your opinion. Hamas bad, Israel victims and blameless. You’re claiming that Egypt did not warn Israel of this upcoming attack? You’re lying now.
a reply to: TheWhat
The German death squads in World War Two were deliberately kept drunk and given amphetamine to enable them to continue with the extermination. Alcohol and drugs are forbidden to Muslims and these sub-humans savages do the same and worse stone cold sober.
originally posted by: Lazy88
originally posted by: ARM19688
That is BOTH sides in this now.
How do you take out Hamas rocket launch sites Hamas shields by placing in neighborhoods with rockets stored in schools.
It’s not like Hamas has launched over 9,000 rockets into Israel since Oct 7th. With launching thousands more over the years.